Obit: Edward Heath

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: michaelr
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 12:10 AM

Give a clueless Yank a hint -- why is this in Music?

All I know about Ted is the Beatles lyric -- "Taxman Mr Wilson, Taxman Mr Heath".

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: Ringer
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 06:27 PM

Well, the cretino-lefties are really out in force on this thread, aren't they, spattering the vitriol of their hatred for Maggie far and wide, like some demented five-year-old with a water-pistol? And very unattractive it is.

And yours seems to me most unattractive of all, Richard Bridge. You say, "Thatcher set out to make the rich richer and the poor poorer," so I conclude that you are stupid as well as hateful, because it was obvious that the rich got richer and the poor got richer. Sure, you can find exceptions, but there are exceptions where the rich got poorer as well as where the poor got poorer, and if there are more of the latter, that is perhaps because the poor so greatly outnumber the rich. But you can't turn history on its head just to suit the chip on your shoulder.

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 06:54 PM

Ringer - If you don't understand the fallacy of "trickle-down economics" I suggest you go back to school. If the man upstream pisses in the water, you get cholera. If you don't understand Thatcher's deliberate attempt to castrate the working man, you need to read history. You speak to someone who until the Thatcher regime was a natural conservative, an agitator at university for one-nation toryism. She, unlike the better Tory grandees, had no idea of "noblesse oblige", only of self-aggrandisement. She destroyed the country. She destroyed our industry and our economy to feed the tinseltown economics of her grabby financier friends. I learned from my mistakes. It took the electorate 3 elections to learn although
I hoped we would be on the barricades by the time of the third one. Time you did. On your bike.

Sapper 82 - if any of what you say to me is true, why did Thatcher lie and lie again to Parliament about it? If any of the rest of what you say above is true, isn't it about time you learned to tell the friends of your class from their enemies? The personal situations you describe were created by capitalism. Rise against it. Or were you too brainwashed by military orders?

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 11:11 AM

I have now checked. War was never declared. The Belgrano was outside the exclusion zone. Therefore even if militarily advantageous, the sinking of the Belgrano was legally wrong - an act of terrorism and/or a war crime.

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 11:30 AM

what the hell, it was all a long time aga. some folks thought thatch was alright at the time. some don't.. I suspect if you were in the path of the monetarism juggernaut it wasn't too much fun. It wasn't til she buggered off that the rhetoric over northern Ireland got a bit more sensible - though you'd never guess it some days on mudcat.

I wondered if anybody else noticed how the knives are out for Heath in the Sunday heavies this week - denounced as an insider trader.

Wonder where that leaves the thatch gang with all their directorships of privatised industries etc.

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 01:43 PM

If joining the board of a national asset, which you privatised yourself, is not insider dealing, then I am having difficulty in coming up with a consistent definiton for the term!

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: GUEST,HughM
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 08:35 AM

Well, I'm glad Mrs T. privatised Yorkshire Water, because now I can make a decent cup of tea without having to filter the water, and I don't get dirty water coming through with the frequency it did before. As for Mr. Heath, I won't shed any tears for him. Because of his legacy (our EU membership) the electronics industry is in constant turmoil because of one EU directive after another. Keeping up with the directives is almost an industry in itself. Now we have a waste directive which says we must recycle old equipment, and another directive which says that we can't recycle or re-use old compomnents because the solder has lead in it. As Ewan McColl put it, "there's a bye-law to say you must be on your way and another to say you can't wander". With reference to an earlier thread, I used to work for a television manufacturer, and my part of the industry was destroyed by poor management, not by Mrs. Thatcher.

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: mooman
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 08:45 AM

Wilson, Heath, Thatcher, Major, Blair...

I didn't/don't like any of them. But I wouldn't wish any of them ill either in their passing away.

Peace

moo

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 08:45 AM

Yes well done Mrs T, Yorkshire water now belongs to the French, bloody good asset to the country that is.

eric

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 09:57 AM

Mon Dieu!

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: Wolfgang
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 05:58 AM

the sinking of the Belgrano was legally wrong (Richard Bridge)

Perhaps yes (the case brought before an international court has been turned down on a technicality), but even the government of Argentine has declared in 1994 that the sinking was "a legal act of war".

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 08:13 AM

My point precisely - it was an act of war but war had not been declared.

By 1994, of course, they would say most things to cosy back up to us...

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: sapper82
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 08:43 AM

I would have thought that, after an act of agression by a foreign power, a formal declarition of war by the power on the receiving end would not be necessary.

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 08:53 AM

Re. the Belgrano, why did all government documents relating this action mysteriously and conveniantly for Thatcher disappear ?

eric

Subject: RE: Obit: Edward Heath
From: michaelr
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 09:59 PM

I still don't know what this is to do witn music?