BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread

Subject: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:54 AM

There was a cartoon in the Portland Daily Sun that I think is very funny and too close to the truth to think of her running for anything.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 11:29 AM

Well, you have led me a merry chase. I went to the Portland Daily Sun and found lots of cartoons, many of them featuring Palin- but no recent ones. When?

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 11:49 AM

This one.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 12:51 PM

Bang on! Heheheee.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 12:53 PM

Oh, OK.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 02:59 PM

I lead all of the lovely ladies a merry chase, but I'm slowing down...

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 05:50 PM

Good thing that Jacqui caught you before you started slowing down too seriously. :)

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:17 PM

Brilliant, I've added it to my cartoon collection & sent it to a few friends

when I first read it I didn't see the world "Bailey"!

Twice as brilliant.

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 06:22 PM

Wasn't it Hiro Hito and Kawasaki?

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:52 PM

I hope she runs for president, I really do.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 07:57 PM

You know, Kendall, in a nation with a state very near to you that just elected what amounts to the grown up version of her ex-almost son-in-law (Levy whatever, the kid who posed for Playgirl), I'd think twice about making that wish. I really really would.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: mousethief
Date: 20 Jan 10 - 09:28 PM

I hope she runs for president, I really do.

Dear God no. What if she wins?

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 07:52 AM

No way. Oh my God! I just remembered, George the moron won thanks to the crooks in Florida and voters in the mid west who always vote against their own self interest.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 08:21 AM

Can you imagine that nit wit trying to connect with some mid east whack job such as I can't spell his name, sounds like..Mad mood I'ma dinnerjacket.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 10:23 AM

Ahmadinajad?

He would run circles around her before they'd finished shaking hands.


A

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:23 PM

She would be over her head in a parking lot puddle.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: DougR
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:26 PM

I think Sara must really scare you lefties. Otherwise, why pay any attention to her at all?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:26 PM

Palin getting the Republican nomination for 2012 would be the best thing that could happen to the Democratic Party.

If she wins, she can't be any worse than Bush/Cheney. Besides, the impeachment trials will be entertaining.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 12:47 PM

>>I think Sara must really scare you lefties. Otherwise, why pay any attention to her at all?

Because she gets as much attention in the press as Obama?

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:19 PM

Did you see that the Palin is going to join the McCain this fall in the campaign for his re-election? That will give us more insight.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:45 PM

Damn straight Palin scares me. What if that microcephalic handbag gets elected? That should scare any sane person.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 01:59 PM

Could she be any worse than Harding? Grant? Coolidge? How about Buchanan, he didn't know his ass from two dollars a week.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 02:03 PM

Doug, she doesn't really scare me, in fact, she is the perfect example of what I've been raving about for years; the dumbing down of America.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: mousethief
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 02:07 PM

She belongs to a religious group that wants to take over the world and bring on the end of time by global war. Yes, she could be worse.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 02:33 PM

It is not Palin I find scary, but the mindless mob-think that floods her with approbation she does not merit. To see mobs of people getting stirred up in support of mindlessness is scary no matter who is involved.

Why? Because we have demonstrated time and time again that mindless mob-think tends to engage in large-scale destructive actions. Examples without number exist on our back track: the Crusades, the invasion of Iraq, the election of W, the Spanish American War created by the Hearst chain, the upwelling of eugenics in the United States between 1890 and 1920, the American Civil War, the lynch mobs of the early 20th C US...need I go on?

There may be a wisdom to crowds; I have nothing against multiple views being taken into account in decision making,. But we have to differentiate between the kind of stimulus-response mentality of reactive mobs thinking only with push-button sweeping generalizations devoid of substance, and the collection of actual thought from multiple individuals thinking for themselves.

Doug, your failure to recognize this in the "social phenomenon" of Sarah's apparent popularity is discouraging. If this is a mandatory Republican blind spot it is even worse.

A

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: mkebenn
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:03 PM

Do I date myself considering Palin the Tiny Tim of politics? Mike

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:20 PM

America is looking for a leader it can identify with...what WE want or like is of no consequence!

Can Sarah unify America?....depends how angry or desperate Americans become.
I think they are very close to the "anger threshold" but not desperate enough to try a revolution of the left.

Everybody push together, get this old bag of crap movin', THEN start thinkin' about the direction we're goin'.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:37 PM

Doug, you're partly quite right when you say that "I think Sara must really scare you lefties. Otherwise, why pay any attention to her at all?"

Yes, it's partly that she does scare many people on the "Left". Or the ideas she represents scare those people. In my case, I'd say it's the latter. Sarah herself doesn't scare me, but the philosophies she is attached to do.

But there's another angle too, Doug. One reason you hear SO much about Sarah Palin all the time on this forum is that the Democrats and what you (but not I) would call "the Lefties" are absolutely DELIGHTED and hugely gratified to have a despised target who is as noticeable as Sarah Palin at whom to hurl abuse, sarcasm, ridicule, outrage, etc...

"Everyone needs someone they can look down on." Democrats need Sarah!

She's the perfect target for all that bottled-up anger and resentment and utter contempt, as well as that killer instinct that percolates in most people's political consciousness. She makes the ideal enemy to attack and make fun of and loath utterly. She's God's gift to both the people who love her and the people who hate her. The press knows this very well, so they talk about her a lot. Comedians know it too, so they make fun of her a lot. Political cartoonists know it too, so they draw her a lot.   Sarah is cash in the bank for the mass media.

She's uber-marketable. She's a Democrat's dream (to attack) and a Republican's dream (to defend).

It's quite entertaining to watch. Much moreso than Pat Robertson, Al Gore, Rush Limbaugh, Obama, etc.

Trust me. People really want someone to hate. They thirst for it. And they want someone to love. Sarah Palin is very handy for all those people, because she is so spectacularly noticeable in her appearance, her spunky manner, her dramatic style, etc.

Chongo's been studying the whole phemomenon closely, hoping to strike a similar public nerve, but, as he says, "She's got one key advantage over me. She's a good-lookin' human dame. That is hard to beat in this society."

What I am thinking is that the Democrats need someone similar on their side...an outrageously "liberal" feisty female... so that you Republicans could have just as much fun both fearing and loathing her...and attacking her.

I'm thinking...Paris Hilton. Why not? Is she "liberal"? Probably. Perhaps she could be persuaded to go into Federal politics in a big way? More fun for everyone.

If she did, you could know the joy of having your own "Sarah Palin Punching Bag Doll" to obsess over and you could attack her daily in threads on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:45 PM

Hawk...I am reliably informed, that "liberal" and "feisty" are not synonymous....Fuckin' good post tho'

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:53 PM

Oh, but they can be. Naomi Klein, for example, is both liberal and feisty. Do you know her book about the Shock Doctrine? I think Oprah could be characterized is liberal and feisty too. And Shirley MacLaine.

If Hillary Clinton had been elected president in 2008, THEN the Republicans would have had their ultimate dream of a hate target to go after...they would hate her far worse than they do Obama, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:57 PM

Nah "liberals" start off feisty and end up fusty!!:0)

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 04:58 PM

Not if they morph into free radicals! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 05:00 PM

Sarah could be the new "Eva"

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 05:06 PM

Don't cry for me in Wasilla
I'm rakin' in the Dollar billa
Since I left Wasilla

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 10 - 06:34 PM

Doug R do you have children? IF you do, you too could be scared by a person who gets people up in arms by repeating a lie. The lie doesn't have to be pal'in around with terrorists either.

Take for example a person who tells you that your neighbor may be pal'in around with sex offenders. Month after month this person tells you of some other heinous crimes your neighbor is suspected of.
Then suddenly one day while your child is at soccer practice this person tells you your child is in your neighbor's basement and he is assulting your child. You rush over there and kill him as he answers his door but you can't find your child, until she returns from soccer practice as the police arrive for you.

This is what a person can do. They can cause you to commit murder, as it turns out, for them. You see this "informative person" had an ulterior motive to get rid of your neighbor all along. They wanted to expand their pool into his backyard but he wouldn't sell.

Being stupid regarding history and general facts is beside the point.

Unabashingly knowing how to be a stooge or how to ruthlessly make others your stooge is Palins best talent in the talent show of life.

'

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jan 10 - 08:33 AM

And all that time she was married to a guy who belongs to a group that wants to split from the union.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: gnu
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 03:41 PM

Duh.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 03:55 PM

She won't live long enough to get that educated! She couldn' answer questions that 6th grader could answer.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Noreen
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:34 AM

Palin was asked on "Fox News Sunday" if she knows more today about domestic and foreign affairs than she did two years ago.


Her response: "Well, I would hope so."

Ha! Then again, that wouldn't be difficult.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: DougR
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:02 PM

You folks are are a riot! I think you are right, LH, they are scared of her political philosophy. Conservative. Arghhhhhhhhhhh!

DougR

P.S. Yes, Donuel, I do have children, and grandchildren and greatgrandchildren.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 03:07 PM

Doug, I have no fear of her politics. She is a witless, clueless air head whose own people call her a whack job! Her own handler in the last campaign said on TV, "She doesn't know anything"!! Hell, she doesn't even SUSPECT anything!

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Amos
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 04:58 PM

Politics? Hell, Doug, your standards are slipping something wicked. That would be like calling Sesame Street "higher education"--guess it depends on what you're looking up from.

No disrespect to Sesame Street intended, of course.


A

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:02 PM

Yes, Donuel, I do have children, and grandchildren and greatgrandchildren.

God help us.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:20 PM

To the conservatives here: would there ever be anybody on your side of the aisle that the lefties would be justified in disliking? I just want to know if you're being knee-jerk know-nothings, or if you think you have a legitimate grievance in this particular case.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: gnu
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:20 PM

"they are scared of her political philosophy"

She doesn't have any. She couldn't explain her running mate's when asked. All she has is good looks. She's a clueless twit... she has proven it over and over... she can't even string two sentences or thoughts together when interviewed.

Oh.... is that what a conservative is?

Jaysus!

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 05:56 PM

is that what a conservative is?

Wasn't the case at one time (pre-Reagan)- but it was tending that way for some years, and certainly appears to be damn near universal now.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 06:12 PM

If the Dems here don't know what power Mrs Palin has or why she has it, then they know nothing about politics.

I dont know if Sarah believes what she says...but she can sure make others believe she does!

It's the same as the UK, folks want someone who speaks for "THEM"; and whether we like to admit it or not, that means the great silent majority, the ordinary Joes and Janes who dont know their arse from their elbows as far as "fiscal policy" is concerned, but can smell a phoney at 500mtrs.
Obama never cracked Americas blue collar sector, he was elected on the black vote, which widened, not narrowed the divides
In the UK "New Labour" are universally distrusted, blamed for an illegal war and financial meltdown.
Rightly people feel used by politicians, who they feel do not represent their concerns.

Look at this forum, do you think we represent a cross section of UK or US society?.....I dont think so, we're nothing but an ageing band of chattering poseurs.
The real world is happening well outside these pages.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 06:33 PM

A serious conservative - like Ronald Reagan - has some knowledge of facts and some perspective based on experience. The conservative philosophy is essentially 1."If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" and 2."The smallest Federal government you can get away with."

Without debating the merits of that philosophy, I would suggest that Sarah Palin is not a conservative. She has little political experience, enormous ignorance about the world, little sense that factual knowledge is needed for making decisions, and a blind faith in doing nothing even when it's broke. On top of that and beyond politics, she has a blind spite for the media ("Will you just quit makin' things up?"), for the President("He's just telling us to sit down and shut up!"), a self-righteous streak that's too obviously real (I doubt she's a hypocrite like so many other politicos), and an inability to take criticism, even from people like her campaign "handlers" who were doing everything to make her look good.
And when she got sick of the governor's job, she up and quit!

She's no conservative. Like many other so-called "conservatives," she's a two- or three-issue Christian populist. I'm not a "lefty" but what scares me is that her many, many supporters think all those weaknesses are refreshing virtues!

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 06:44 PM

Real "Conservatives"in the US and Real "liberals" in the UK took us to war and fucked our economy....now none of them have a clue how to fix it.

We don't need anymore "infallible politicians"

She hates the media.....well that's a step in the right direction'
Fidel and Chavez shut the bastards down!

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: mousethief
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 06:59 PM

The conservative philosophy is essentially 1."If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" and 2."The smallest Federal government you can get away with."

That was true in 1980, maybe. But that's not what neo-conservativim is about. If you think Bush shrank the federal government, you're nuts. Let alone that he didn't tinker with things that were running just fine.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:31 PM

"Real "liberals" in the UK took us to war and fucked our economy"

Jesus what a fuck-wit. It was the heritage of the Thatcher betrayal of the people that did both of those things.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:33 PM

I was talking about conservatives, not neo-conservatives, who tend to be a lot like Palin.

I didn't say that "Bush shrank the federal government."

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:48 PM

Thank God for the first amendment! No democracy can survive without it.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: kendall
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 07:50 PM

Did you all see her on the news tonight? She had written notes on her left hand while ragging on Obama for using a telepromptor! One word was energy and a couple more I couldn't read...probably her name.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:17 PM

Look Richard...I'm gettin' sick of your insults.
I love a good argument but you are acting like a child.

"The heritage of Thatchers betrayal of the people"?

Good god man, where did you find that piece of dogma?
You know as well as anyone, that UK involvment in Iraq was very much down to Blair and a cabinet which refused to stand up to him.
You cant blame everything on Thatcher....for ever!

The false "economic boom" under Blair and Brown may have had its roots in Thatcherite economic policy, but Blair is a well known admirer of Margaret Thatcher and Brown issued an invite to the Iron Lady, to visit him in Downing Street.

Both continued and expanded Thatcherite economic policies including de-regulation of the banking system to make the financial mirage appear real.
Brown saddled us with billions of pounds of debt to bailout a corrupt system.

Are any of the above the actions of REAL liberals or REAL democrats?...I don't think so

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:23 PM

A good friend of mine from Scotland, now a Canadian, threw an egg at Thatcher's car when he was 4 years old. The mine was closed and the miners were protesting.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Amos
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:23 PM

LOL!! She tried to bounce back by writing "Hi Mom" on her hand for her   next appearance, but...ya know, the funny thing is she probably doesn't even understand why she MIGHT be embarrassed to be caught cribbing notes on he rhand like a grade-school kid...sheesh.



A

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:35 PM

Richard...You may have noticed, that when describing Blair or Brown as "liberals", I use inverted commas to signify that they are no more liberal than those here who whine about minority "rights", yet would deny the right of free speech or free thought, to all.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:37 PM

"Obama never cracked Americas blue collar sector, he was elected on the black vote, which widened, not narrowed the divides" ake

For pete's sake, give it up. The percentage of Black people in the US is under 14 (FOURTEEN!) And I would assume at least a couple of them are not of voting age. So give it up, dammit. Unless you enjoy looking like an idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:44 PM

Amos...Why are you indulging in this silly stuff?

I watched the lady's speech on utube, and while I didn't agree with much of the politics, it was exactly what her audiance and I suspect "middle America" wanted to hear.
What's so bad about writin' notes on your hand?...I've got to do it every time I go for the "messages".(wee bit o' the Scots vernacular flung in there pal) :0)

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:46 PM

Less than 14 percent, Ake. Get it into your head; see if you can make it stick.

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: Amos
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 08:54 PM

Ake:

Wal. the thing about writing notes on your hand is it is kinda child-like, and certainly not indicative of a well-grounded executive mindset. No, there's nothing "wrong" with it per se. It's more a question (a) silliness in style and (b) what it says about her short term memory.


A

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:06 PM

Ebbie....When the demographic says that the white population votes 50/50 Obama/ McCain and the black population vote 90/10 Obama/McCain, then 14 becomes a very important percentage.

Now before you get tucked up in bed, stop shouting insults, make yourself a nice cup of hot milk and read this Sweet dreams! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:08 PM

Bugger it, link is down......try some whisky in the milk!

Subject: RE: BS: revisit the Sara Palin thread
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Feb 10 - 09:17 PM

Breakdown of demographics reveals how black voters swept Obama into White House
By Claire Cohen
Last updated at 6:33 PM on 05th November 2008

Yesterday, 140 million Americans - a staggering 65% of the registered electorate - cast their votes to make Barack Obama the 44th president of the United States of America. Here we show how the results break down...
Black Americans

95% of black voters went to the ballot for Obama and only 4% for McCain.
Obama has succeeded in mobilising African-American voters who, although strongly Democratic, have in the past been apathetic in turning out to vote.
Yesterday's surge in black voters, however, only boosted black turnout by two percentage points from 11% to 13%.