BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 May 26 - 08:57 AM

Yep, I completely agree about a form of PR being the way to go, and I've thought so for many years. Seems the way to prevent swing-politics.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 10 May 26 - 01:25 PM

OK I see that Nationalisation is the in word ~ well I tell you UK is BROKE hence Gordon Brown seeking capital to bolster the Govts monies

Post office Scandal
WASPI scandal
Taxation ~ no upping Free pay ~ led to discontent shown in election
Upping NiCs on very low pay
Upping basic pay (paid by employer so no Govt charge)
Water bail out for Thames (sorry)
Other Water companies will still have employees so tight control needed whether private or Nationalised ~ can't really afford it
Move away from Oil dependence over time to renewables

Align with EU but no big charges ~ on trade to be watched
Definitely no dependency on US WE cannot let that Trump and others in.

Farage would put us in with US and we would have the devil of a job getting out

Harriet Harman to placate the WASPIs who would have been very upset last election and to watch other women's problems

NHS is a BIG financial problem no privatisation as such

UK is BROKE and cannot afford what is really needed ~ see above

We are very vulnerable ~ Defence needs upgrading urgently

IN light of all this Sir Keir is taking urgent steps to get funding elsewhere ~probably and hopefully with Gordon Brown's help

Go for it Sir Keir

Btw all parties make promises but remember it is WE the population that are "lender of last resort" not the Bank Of England the taxpayer pays we carry the can

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 12 May 26 - 01:12 AM

So Scunthorpe Steel making has been Nationalised ~ presently losing £1million A DAY ~ indication to me that the product is to be used in armaments ~ Little t has put us on guard for potential War footing

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 12 May 26 - 01:19 AM

Sir Keir is in a sticky place at the moment and there are calls for his leaving on a phased basis

I do not agree he is now got his back to the wall and grasping what is needed for UK

We in UK are having a hard time that will get worse

Taxation of the population is very unpopular ~we do need a cash injection/loan and help too many debts

Contracts armament companies imv are needed to use the steel being produced and will improve GDP and cash flow

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 May 26 - 11:47 PM

so you think its ok morally to produce items that kill, to improve gdp and cash flow.
digging canals to help rrelieve flooding, imo, is a better way of improving employment, its known as keynsian econmics it is morally better than producing armaments to be used for killing preople

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 May 26 - 02:27 AM

Meanwhile, a carefully thought-out, well written piece HERE from Andy Fitchett, minister and community activist, regarding the current onslaught from all sides on Keir Starmer, and the current UK obsession with Outrage Politics.

He begins…

”Keir Starmer is not perfect. No Labour leader ever has been. But if there is one thing British politics does with astonishing consistency, it is this: it builds Labour leaders up just high enough to tear them to pieces the moment they become a genuine threat to the status quo.

We saw it with Gordon Brown. History has already begun rehabilitating Brown, but during his premiership he was caricatured relentlessly — awkward, gloomy, indecisive, “unelected,” somehow both too intellectual and not political enough. Yet Brown led Britain through the global financial crisis with a seriousness and competence that many economists now acknowledge prevented catastrophe. The very people who mocked him later quietly admitted he had been right.

Ed Miliband was ridiculed for eating a bacon sandwich.

Jeremy Corbyn was treated as an existential threat to civilisation itself.

And now Keir Starmer, despite being a cautious centrist by almost any historical Labour standard, is being denounced simultaneously as authoritarian, weak, radical, conservative, elitist and socialist depending on which newspaper one happens to open.”

I strongly recommend a read of the full piece - interesting comparisons between the historical treatment by the media (who are predominantly Right-wing, of course) of Labour politicians vs. Tories.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: r.padgett
Date: 13 May 26 - 02:39 AM

No Sandman ~ the defence of UK is vital and as Little t has dictated UK and others have relied too much on US forces ~ we are vulnerable to attacks from aggressors

Yes canal and other physical work probably these days falls under heritage work

Tories spent and fiddled all the monies that should have gone to Govt to the well offs

NHS and all other debts listed are accrued due to Tory Govt misappropriation leaving Labour Govt with little ability to do anything

Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 May 26 - 04:56 AM

I have a very strong suspicion that the reason the knives are out for Starmer from all sides is his desire to partly, if not fully, reverse the lunacy and deliberate national self-harm of Brexit by forging closer ties with the EU.

So, once again, we are being divided by the millionaire/billionaire classes whose only interest is themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit and other UK politics thread 4
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 May 26 - 06:18 AM

*Agree*, BwM. The worst possible thing to do when the Captain is steering the Ship of State through difficult waters is keep shouting "You're doing it wrong!" in his ear. The relentless hostile coverage in the Press is almost as bad as the Daily Heil's obsession with Meghan the Curst, and more dangerous for the country.

A greetings card comes to mind: man sat in car, woman in passenger seat with crossed plasters across her mouth, and car mechanic saying: "I've fixed that annoying noise."