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Subject: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 03 - 06:46 PM http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0104-09.htm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 03 - 06:51 PM And for those of you who never picked up your beautiful, absolutely free "Peace" buttons from SantAnon, please be advised the free peace button giveaway is still going on here: http://www.peaceforfree.org/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Rustic Rebel Date: 06 Jan 03 - 06:56 PM common dreams |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Jan 03 - 07:00 PM Peace... Always IS... But like God... May not be seen... Because being omnipresent... It tends to go unnoticed, and certainly... Unreported. To celebrate it is to realize it. Therefore, I celebrate both God and Peace. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Amos Date: 06 Jan 03 - 10:54 PM ...and, I have on good authority, God and Peace celebrate Little Hawk, and wish him many warm winters. :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: JennyO Date: 07 Jan 03 - 05:59 AM I find it interesting that there have only been 6 posts to this thread, and yet people are rushing to respond to the threads about war, particularly the betting pool one. How many people do you think would bother to watch the news if it reported good and happy events? We seem to have a bizarre fascination with disaster and tragedy. Maybe it relates to some of the reasons that people like "depressing" songs (another popular thread). One thing I couldn't help but notice in some of the war threads, was that some of the contributors get very argumentative. I have thought - no wonder we have wars! Even on this forum, it sometimes looks like a war in microcosm. Interesting, eh, but what does it all mean? By the way, I received my Peace button in the mail. All the way down under! Cool! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: mooman Date: 07 Jan 03 - 06:27 AM Good post JennyO and I agree. Some people seem to want to wrap themselves in human-constructed unreality thereby clouding the important issues beneath I believe. Have ordered mine too! moo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: ard mhacha Date: 07 Jan 03 - 07:07 AM Listening to a US lady on BBC Radio this morning my hopes soared, she was heartbroken at having to say good-bye to her husband as he headed off to fight the Bush oil war. She stated that their was two sides to this war, God I thought a lady with compassion for the poor Iraq civilians, but, my hopes were dashed when she bemoaned the fact that the other side of war, was, her plight at being left with her three children and the worries over her husband. She was right of course,this lady from Chesapeake. but, could she not have spared a thought for the many more countless children of Iraq who will be left without fathers. Peace is a two way road, unbeknowing to military warmongers and their masters. Ard Mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: InOBU Date: 07 Jan 03 - 07:13 AM A wieghty Quaker, Elias Hicks once said that fear is the greatest impediment to love. The Friend speaks my mind. Larry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: TIA Date: 07 Jan 03 - 08:42 AM Gave peaceforfree buttons to everyone I know for the holidays, and have heard from several recipients that they've ordered more -- pay it forward! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 09:49 AM ONE PEOPLE There are no countries; there is just one family There are no colours, just one light in you and me There are no reasons; we can't live in harmony As just one people In just one world, you and me There is no freedom, if the people cannot choose There is no victory if someone has to lose There are no boundaries that mean more than being free As just one people In just one world, you and me (chorus) WE ARE ONE PEOPLE ONE STRONG HEARTBEAT JUST ONE SPIRIT SHINING BRIGHT WITHIN US ALL WE ARE PART OF ONE ANOTHER BORN TO LOVE EACH OTHER WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE WE ARE ONE The time's upon us, and the healing must be done The world around us is calling all to act as one There are no causes greater than the world we see We are just one people There is just one world for you and me (chorus) Take a look deep in each other's eyes And tell me what you see I see the spirit in disguise Smiling back at me Oh, we are the world around us We are part of all we see Everything little thing you do touches me There is a vision that we must all realize Think of the children; try to see it through their eyes What will we leave them if we never learn to be Just one people Just one world, you and me (chorus) - By Morry Stearns, Victoria BC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 07 Jan 03 - 10:09 AM Well, I'm the person who started this thread, and I'm the SantAnon that sent everyone to the website for the buttons, and I'm also the person who is calling the new agers idiots for suggesting that deep breathing and positive visualizations are real solutions for the crises we face here. You are wholly misinterpreting what people are doing when they engage in lively debate about the issues and solutions to our society's problems. To suggest that we would rather talk about war than peace is ridiculous. Just what is there to debate about peace? Do we need to find solutions to peace? Is peace one of the greatest problems facing us in our lifetime? If you don't have the intellectual depth to understand that we are doing exactly what citizens of a democracy are required to do, ie working towards solutions to problems our society is facing, and defending it's ideals through debate and discussion, then you are idiots. Idiots, idiots, idiots. The price of living in a democracy is DAILY citizenship. Vigilance against the excesses of government and politician's conflicts of interest. Service to society. A little something called social discourse--informed debates and discussions of the issues of the day. Don't like spirited nature of democratic discourse? Then shut the fuck up and stay out of the conversation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 10:24 AM NEVER GIVE UP No matter what is going on NEVER GIVE UP. Develop the Heart. Too much energy in your country Is spent developing the Mind instead of the Heart. DEVELOP THE HEART. Be compassionate Not just to your friends But to everyone. BE COMPASSIONATE Work for peace In your heart and in the world. WORK FOR PEACE And I say again Never give up No matter what is happening. No matter what is going on around you, NEVER GIVE UP. - H.H. The Dalai Lama (Message given to Ron Whitehead, April 94 to share with 300 poets, musicians plus their audience, young people at RANT for the literary renaissance's 48 hour non-stop music and poetry insomniacathon to kick off New York University 50 year celebration held in New York City, May 1994) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 10:38 AM WRITE ON THE SAND A story tells that two friends were walking through the desert. In a specific point of the journey, they had an argument, and one friend slapped the other one in the face. The one who got slapped was hurt, but without anything to say, he wrote in the SAND: "TODAY, MY BEST FRIEND SLAPPED ME ON THE FACE." They kept on walking until they found an oasis, where they decided to take a bath. The one who got slapped and hurt started drowning, and the other friend saved him. When he recovered from the fright, he wrote on a STONE: "TODAY MY BEST FRIEND SAVED MY LIFE". The friend who saved and slapped his best friend asked him, "Why, after I hurt you, you wrote in the sand, and now you write on a stone?" The other friend, smiling, replied: "When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away. When something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it." LEARN TO WRITE ON THE SAND ..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: mooman Date: 07 Jan 03 - 10:46 AM Dear *day-liah*, I particularly like the Dalai Lama's "Never Give Up" poem and have a teeshirt with that printed on it. Interestingly, I was wearing that teeshirt one day last summer and someone who I didn't know then who was sitting behind me read the poem and took great strength from it through a rather difficult period in his and his partner's life. He is now one of my best friends and a superb musical collaborator. Peace mooman |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Jan 03 - 10:48 AM GUEST - Your position is as easy to understand as the proposition that one plus one equals two. It's obvious. Now consider adding to it a degree of willingness to understand less obvious and tactile viewpoints of reality...and consider that to visualize peace is one aspect of achieving it and to take outward actions toward realizing it is another, and that both of those means aid and abet the process...and perhaps you will become... more peaceful. The outer man (whom you see) is motivated by the inner Self (whom you probably do not see). To openly despise those who speak of and honor the inner self will not help matters one bit. How do you know that they are not also taking the outward actions which you regard as the ONLY way to peace? "New Agers" are not necessarily, as you seem to suggest, helpless people incapable of taking a useful part in the world. In fact, the term "New Ager" is similar to the term "tree-hugger" and is usually used by poorly informed people to denigrate someone else with whom they have am imagined philosophical disagreement, but about whom they know very little. If you got to know them under more practical circumstances, you might like them much better than you think. When was the last time you grew your own food, harvested it, and prepared it? That's empowerment. What will you do if the restaurants and groceries shut their doors? (As might happen in certain extreme situations of calamity...) Now I may be assuming things about you, cos I don't know you. Likewise, you may be assuming things about others too. Try having a little tolerance before telling people you barely know at all to "shut the fuck up", just because they don't appear to meet your demanding standards of perfection. How do you think wars start anyway? Or dictatorships? With that basic attitude. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: mooman Date: 07 Jan 03 - 11:12 AM Dear Guest, Your tone is somewhat harsh but I do not think we are that far apart in reality. Daily active citizenship is vital and important as you quite rightly say. Peace mooman (deep breathing and positive visualizing and hopefully socially active Buddhist) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: JennyO Date: 07 Jan 03 - 11:16 AM GUEST, I suppose you think the Dalai Lama is an idiot, too? Wonderful democratic discourse from you, isn't it - calling people idiots and swearing at them! That's really going to solve the world's problems, isn't it! And if you want to call some of the sniping I've seen going on in these threads "democratic discourse", heaven help the rest of the world! I don't mind informed discussions, and I'll even join in if I think I have something relevant to say. A lot of what I have seen has been informed discussion, but when people start ranting like you and awfulizing everything, nothing is achieved. Your description of us as "new agers" and "idiots" who think "that deep breathing and positive visualizations are real solutions for the crises we face here" merely shows that you don't understand ANYTHING about what we have been saying, and I don't imagine you ever will. Just two questions for you: Since you said "Just what is there to debate about peace?" - why DID you start this thread? Were you maybe hoping that this would become yet another forum for discussing war? What exactly did you expect people to be saying about peace? If you are so democratic, how come you are telling people whose views you don't like to "shut the fuck up"? Why are you still a GUEST? If you really have the courage of your convictions, why not come out from hiding and say who you are? Or would you rather take pot shots from behind your cloak of anonymity? Daylia and others, don't forget "nil bastardo carborundum" (don't let the bastards grind you down). Jenny |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Bobert Date: 07 Jan 03 - 11:19 AM Though I appreciate all the resources that you bring to this forum, I'm gonna have to agree with Little Hawk on this one, my friend. Peace is multi-faceted, beginning one's heart. I'm not saying that we don't need to take to the streets and make our voices heard, but at the end of day it is important to take a little time for reflection and meditation to stay connected spiritually. God's Will for us goes beyond the good fight. And that's part of the deal... Peace, and *yes*, I have my button and thanks. Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 11:35 AM Mooman, Little Hawk,- YOU ARE WONDERFUL! LOL Guest we're not as different as you think we are. Thankyou for working for peace in your own way, and for giving me the opportunity to practice love and forgiveness no matter what happens. I think I slipped up and insulted you back on the War betting thread yesterday, and I'm sorry for that. If we can't keep peace even on Mudcat threads, with other people who WANT peace too, how the h*** will we ever achieve it in the world around us? There's another story from the Dalai Lama that I'd like to share here. I lent the magazine it was in to a friend, so I can't quote it exactly, but I must have written it "on the stone of the memory of my heart" because I've never forgotten it. Here goes ... The Dalai Lama was speaking with some students when he was asked why he had never encouraged the Tibetan people to make war or seek revenge on the Chinese for the horrific slaughter and destruction visited upon them after WW11. The Dalai Lama gave a little smile, and said "Well, war is obsolete you know!" The students kept pressing him with "But aren't there justifiable REASONS to seek revenge on those who destroyed your country?" And he replied "The mind will always come up with reasons to justify war and hatred. But the heart - now, the heart will NEVER understand." daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 12:38 PM SOME SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF INNER PEACE * A tendency to think and act spontaneously rather than on fears based on past experience * An unmistakable ability to enjoy each moment * A loss of interest in judging other people * A loss of interest in interpreting the actions of others * A loss of interest in conflict * A loss of interest in judging the Self * A loss of the ability to worry (this is a very serious symptom!) * Frequent, overwhelming episodes of appreciation * Contented feelings of connectedness with others and with nature * Frequent attacks of smiling * An increased tendency to LET things happen, rather than FORCING them to happen * An increased susceptibility to the love extended by others as well as the uncontrollable urge to extend it BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF INNER PEACE! THIS COULD POSE A SERIOUS THREAT TO WHAT HAS BEEN UP TO NOW A FAIRLY STABLE STATE OF CONFLICT IN THE WORLD! - Author Unknown - Couldn't resist sharing that here either! I have a copy of it on my nightstand to remind me of what it is I'm working for in myself and in my life. Now I'll go get out my boots and umbrella to shield me from the inevitable fallout - "NAIVE"! "DELUDED"! "NEUROTIC"! "EVILLLLLL..." daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 12:40 PM PS - Bobert, JennyO - blessings to you and to all who posted above. "NIL BASTARDO CARBORDEUM" and never give up!! :-) daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST,One Sick Bastard Date: 07 Jan 03 - 01:01 PM Actually, my family visited with the Dalai Lama when he was here in the Twin Cities not so long ago. We happen to have friends in an active Tibetan refugee community here. I have worked with ecumenical Christian groups on issues of war and peace, social justice, and human rights for 25 years. I have worked in partnership with members of the my local Native American, African American, Somali, Hmong, and Latino communities through community organizations, the schools, and churches, synagogues, temples, and community centers. What I am sick to death of in Mudcat is the holier than thou Christians and New Agers coming in here and labelling those of us using irony and black humor to make points in discussions about stopping the war, LECTURING us anti-war folk who do not share their spiritual/religious views, and demonizing us for doing the GOOD RIGHT WORK that needs to be done, because we aren't thinking and speaking the way they think we "should" speak. Now, for those of you who think that I am exaggerating what these spiritual/religious fundamentalists are doing to demonize the anti-war posters, have a look at the language being used to describe us and what we are doing--and I am directly quoting words and phrases used to in the War Betting thread here: ..."vile" and "sick" and "outside the boundaries of good taste" and "distasteful" and "one sick bastard" and "like having a best friend dying of cancer with no hope of surviving and his/her friends begin a pool to see when he/she will take the last breath" and "creating your dangerous vile pool of fear and negativism" Substitute for a moment, the phrase "anti-war activist" for Jew or Christian, and look at that list above. People would be screaming for the blood of the posters who would use such language to describe a group of religious people working to prevent the war. You have your philosophies, beliefs, and spiritual/religious beliefs about "the right way" to do anti-war work, and I can respect that. What I will not respect, nor tolerate, is people demonizing others here to make themselves look good among their new age and Christian Mudcat peers, by using such language of demonization to depict those of us who don't share their beliefs. And I will use strong language, including swear words, to denounce it. We are all adults here, despite some peoples' attempts to dumb down and infantilize the conversation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 07 Jan 03 - 01:13 PM daylia, such injudicious use of caps in online forums is perceived as screaming. For one claiming to be all about love and peace and harmony, you sure do a lot of screaming at people here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 01:35 PM GUEST One Sick Bastard - is your name an attempt at 'black humour', irony, or just a demonstration of how much you love and value yourself and your opinions? I suspect the latter! And you can't give out what you don't have - including love and peace and respect. Garbage in - garbage out. The War betting thread IS a "dangerous and vile pool of fear and negativism". According to Webster's dictionary: "VILE: 1a: - morally despicable or abhorrent (nothing is so VILE as intellectual dishonesty); b - physically repulsive : FOUL (a VILE slum) 2: of little worth or account : COMMON; also MEAN 3: tending to degrade (VILE employments) 4: disgustingly or utterly bad : OBNOXIOUS, CONTEMPTIBLE (VILE weather) (had a VILE temper) SYNONYM see BASE I think I chose the PERFECT word to describe the War betting thread and the motives behind it. I suspect that if those who started/support it WERE honest, they'd tell us they really get aroused by terror and horror and grief - really gets the hormones pumped, so they can feel more 'alive'! (Their hearts must be quite dead, after all, to enjoy such VILE 'entertainment'). So they go about creating as much fear and horror as they can, in their minds and in their lives. And they must LOVE it when other people 'catch' their foul moods - they feed on it like vampires. Misery loves company! Now that's their choice, and they're free to pursue it. But when I see toxic waste dumped ANYWHERE, I do my best to clean it up. If you did the same, maybe you'd stop calling yourself "One Sick Bastard". Here's to your health! daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 01:38 PM GUEST I LOVE YOU TOO!!!! xxxoooo Hope you could hear that! daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: TIA Date: 07 Jan 03 - 02:14 PM Guest's strong language suggests that he or she is very angry (and doesn't he/she have a right to be?) But I believe he/she has a valid point. Last night the kids were outside throwing snowballs at the house, and one hit the front window rather hard. I went outside and filled their minds with the ugly vision of Dad angrily replacing a broken pane, and peace was restored. That was a constructive use of unpleasant mental imagery, employed by someone raised as a pacifist (by a father who has written hundreds of songs about love and/or delight) with a heart full of hope and love. In my opinion, there are appropriate times to compel people to visualize the horrible consequences of certain actions. Also, I do not believe for a moment that Guest gets his or her rocks (oops, hers don't have rocks) off on picturing the coming carnage. (I felt no arousal while telling the kids to stop plonking the windows). And Guest, sweeten up - these folks are on your side. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 02:24 PM Oh, and for the record (seeing as for some unknown reason GUEST finds me so interesting he even attempts psychoanalysis of my posts) - I'm neither a "Christian" or a "New Ager". I don't belong to any particular belief system, although I study and practice quite a few. And I mean no disrespect to my 'Brother' Jesus. He understands that I'm just not a "Christian" in the conventional sense. I guess I'm what the Native North Americans call a 'Rainbow' person. Meaning I love and practice what is meaningful to me from ALL paths I've walked. And it's not an easy row to hoe, either. Peace and hope daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 02:44 PM TIA would you encourage your children to fill their minds daily with thoughts and visions of destruction and 'what Dad might do' to them, and to make bets on exactly how, why and when that might happen too? If they did, don't you think it would be quite likely that they'd behave in such a way as to eventually create the very circumstances they imagine and wager on? That is, after all, what they'd be believing to be the truth about what the future holds. There's a big difference between acknowledging/responding to the reality of the moment, and exploiting it for the sake of entertaining yourself. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: TIA Date: 07 Jan 03 - 03:00 PM Certainly not daily, but at appropriate times, yes. I sincerely doubt that the black (debatable) humor of the war pool thread is going to create a war with Iraq. As for your final sentence, I agree entirely. But again, I don't think anyone (in this forum) is getting their rocks off on the prospect of war. I think the black humor posters would like nothing better than to stop it. I don't think anyone involved in making the "Eating Raoul" actually became a cannibal as a result (movie buffs correct me if I'm wrong). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 03:24 PM Egads TIA I hope you're right -about the cannibals I mean! {{:-)}} No thread on Mudcat is going to start (or prevent) a war with Iraq - of course not! That particular war has been ongoing for all of recorded history - not with Iraq specifically but over the Middle East and it's strategic resources. The names and dates and 'booty' changes, but not much else. Remember the Crusades? Same war, different age imo. And look at what you wrote in your 2:14 post TIA, if I may quote you: "Also, I don't believe for a moment that Guest gets his or her rocks (oops, hers don't have rocks) off on PICTURING THE COMING CARNAGE". (I'm not yelling, just highlighting the words I'm referring to). You've called it "the coming carnage" already! Pardon me for second-guessing you, but it looks like you've decided the truth about what the future holds. May you be spared the agony of watching your beliefs become a self-fulfilling prophecy. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 07 Jan 03 - 03:48 PM daylia, I'm going to suggest this again one more time. The use of caps in posts online is considered cyber screaming. If you want to genuinely communicate with people online, rather than just screaming at everyone, you need learn to make your points with your intellect instead of the shift key on your keyboard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 07 Jan 03 - 03:57 PM Thank you TIA for making the point that there are perfectly appropriate uses of anger and angry language. To suggest that people with great dedication to stopping violence in this world who choose to use black humor and irony and satire and parody to do it, should be labelled with the sort of provocative and inflammatory language as we have seen used here, is very wrong. It is especially wrong when it is being done by people smugly claiming to be morally superior because of 1) religious affiliation; 2) spiritual beliefs; 3) rigid adherence to highly idiosyncratic fundamentalist and/or absolutist personal philosphies about what constitutes moral correctness. If we are all on the same side, then why are these rigid believers in love, peace, and harmony so busy passing negative moral judgments on their allies, hmmmm? Could it be they are really DOING anything--taking any positive, right action, to go a long with their lofty, moralistic thoughts? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: TIA Date: 07 Jan 03 - 04:13 PM Daylia - Our discussions in these two threads have made me think through several issues. Thanks. I think my disagreement with you boils down to: I don't believe that my conviction that there will be war affects in the slightest whether the war actually occurs or not. There are situations where my attitude will affect the outcome (in fact I've told my children that the one thing they need to remember in life is that attitude is everything ..go ahead, ask 'em, I'm not making this up..) However, this is not one of those situations. I truly wish that I could BELIEVE (not screaming) there would be no war and the universe (or at least our jerk leaders) would obey my thoughts. Instead my conviction drives me to wear my button, wave my (peace) flag, and write letters to editors and representatives in an attempt to fill others' minds with horrific images of war (that pleasure me none). Between your approach and mine, perhaps SOMETHING (still not screaming) will work. PEACE! (okay, that was screaming) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 07 Jan 03 - 06:02 PM I ECHO THAT TIA!! PEACE BE TO ALL... And I agree that no one person's convictions are going to change the course of history unless that person happens to be in a position of direct decision-making power at the time (ie. George Bush, Henry VIII etc). What concerns me is the cumulative power of millions of frightened angry people the world over, imagining and discussing and even betting on the worst to happen, as if it's inevitable. That kind of angst, en masse, adding to the momentum of a few thousand years of human warring and violence, just might be enough to tip the scales so we ALL lose. Unless we change, try something different, history is doomed to repeat itself over and over again. GUEST I do not consider myself to be 'superior' to anyone else! Just different, I guess. And I consider what I am doing right now, encouraging people via the internet to examine and respect the power of their own thoughts and imagination - and to use that power in a way that realizes what they WANT, instead of what they don't want, to be a pretty decent contribution for one little person to make in the 'peace' movement. I wear buttons and write letters to the editor and take part in any local peace initiatives I can as well. But I really don't need to explain myself to you anyway, and I need to get back to work now. Peace to all Y'all be mindin your minds now, y'hear? LOL daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Jan 03 - 02:01 AM Um...GUEST...she actually talks like that when she gets excited about some topic. I know her, and she does. It's not screaming, though, it's just sort of an emphatic mode of speech. It's often accompanied by interesting gestures and facial expressions too, but those would be hard to render on a keyboard. (Study the William Shatner acting technique for further insight into the possibilities of dramatic expressiveness while speaking.) However, no harm in drawing her attention to current computer etiquette. She used to do weird stuff sometimes when we were walking downtown in Barrie too, causing me to edge away nervously, hoping people wouldn't think I was with her. I should've got a T-shirt saying "I'm not with (arrow -->)" day-liah has just got a rather expansive personality, that's all... :-) It's one way of coping with the long Canadian winters. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 08 Jan 03 - 10:59 AM Little Hawk, I stand by what I said. Regardless of what this person is like in 3D life, the way she is communicating, with the injudicious use of caps, is perceived by others as cyberscreaming. Now, if she is comfortable with being perceived that way, knowing that it will make it impossible to communicate with many of us who automatically ignore people who post like that, then she is certainly welcome to continue to doing it. Her cyberscreaming has already annoyed me to the point where I won't read her posts because of it. Well, that and the content. She appears to be a real flake. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 08 Jan 03 - 12:00 PM This is what you people call 'peace'? Guest, you obviously wouldn't know your ass from your elbow about anything you've babbled on about here, peace included. You're upset about BLOCK CAPS? With a mind and a mouth as foul as yours? Go figure ... You people are all flakes. Some sweeter than others. But Nature has a way of providing exactly what's required, in it's own good time. I'm sure you'll all get yours. Just like the dinosaurs did - and the sooner the better. In the meantime try using those peace buttons to pin your lips together. You'd sound a lot smarter. And the world would be a much more peaceful place for the rest of us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Jan 03 - 12:37 PM Uh-huh. And what if I am You? What then? - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 08 Jan 03 - 12:47 PM Well, then, 'I am you and you are me and we are we and we are all together!' See, some of us get rich being flaky! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: TIA Date: 08 Jan 03 - 01:24 PM Oddly, with my peace button pinning my lips together, I can still type. Should I try something else Sir Flakefinder? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 08 Jan 03 - 02:19 PM he he he - maybe Head & Shoulders? :-) daylia (the flakiest of the flaky, so you're doing ok TIA!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 09 Jan 03 - 02:12 PM In spite of all the quarrelling above, which I'm sorry that I added to in any way, I think this thread is well worth refreshing, for the sake of working for peace. Even if only between Mudcats and Guests. Little Hawk told me something the other day I've been pondering ever since. He said that at any given time there are far more peaceful places in the world than ones afflicted with war. He said that there is far more peace within families and between neighbours etc. than the opposite. That's a hopeful thought, and it rings true too. I guess it's the conflict situations that demand attention though. That's why it's so easy to get distracted from all the peace that does exist around us every day. Guest I didn't realize that using block caps could be percieved as screaming, and I thought you were just attacking me when you mentioned it. I'm new at computers, and will make it my next job to learn how to use a word-processor to write my posts before I post them, so I can use italics/bold for emphasis instead. I didn't mean to offend - I just didn't know that aspect of 'computerese'. Thank you. daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: TIA Date: 09 Jan 03 - 06:39 PM PEACE! (just poppin' it to the top again) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Kaleea Date: 10 Jan 03 - 04:14 AM Uh, I believe that what we are saying, is, give peace a chance. To give peace a chance, ya gotta actually give peace a chance. So, why don't we all just get along & give peace. Give peace to others. Like, maybe, oh I don't know, behave in a peace-full full of peace kinda manner. Ya know, like, "Peace, Baybee!" (circle the 'Y') * * * * * * * * ** ** ** ** ** |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: ard mhacha Date: 10 Jan 03 - 07:47 AM I have just seen the latest figure on the BBC 24 Hour vote, Should we preparing for war with Iraq?, and the percentage!, 87% say NO. Here in the north of Ireland I haven`t yet heard anyone say they are in agreement with the two B`s. Ard Mhacha. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 10 Jan 03 - 11:16 AM Glad you are working on the computer skills daylia. I have noticed in the past day or so, that your posts have become more reader-friendly, and I'm sure everyone appreciates your efforts, just as I do. Thanks. Peace to all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 10 Jan 03 - 11:54 AM Guest I'm actually doing it just to show that we can have different attitudes and methods for achieving the same goals, and still choose to be respectful, openminded and keep the peace. That's the kind of world I want to live in, so I'm trying to create it in every way I can no matter how 'small' it may seem. And I do admire your courage! Working for peace in the States right now, against the prevailing tide of public opinion and all the war momentum being built up on the media and in the streets - I only wish the best for you and may you always be kept safe and rightly guided. I was too young to remember much about the Vietnam crisis, but I do remember the horror of Kent State. Mostly from the offerings of a fellow Canadian ... "Tin Soldiers and Nixon comin we're finally on our own this summer I hear the drummin four dead in Ohio. Gotta get down to it Soldiers are runnin us down Shoulda been done long ago ... What if you knew her and Found her dead on the ground? How can you run when you know ..." Please, it cannot come to that this time, can it? Surely we've learned something since then... So from one 'peacenik' to another - "United we stand, divided we fall And if our backs should ever be against the wall We'll be together - together you and I." Peace and LOL daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 10 Jan 03 - 12:03 PM Oh shoot, that shoulda been Peace and lol daylia (sorry) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 10 Jan 03 - 01:40 PM daylia, as to whether people have learned from history, well. Some very few people ever learn from experience. Most of us keep repeating the same mistakes over and over. I know that doesn't sound very optimistic. Take heart in knowing that eventually everyone will learn these lessons. But not at the same time, pace, or even, when we most need them to learn them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Jan 03 - 03:00 PM Kaleea - Oh, wow...man... You sound just like some of the quasi-hippies I knew in the early 70's, only...I think you have a slightly larger vocabulary of words and phrases to work with. Maybe. Most of them were just maintaining the popular "image" of the time, keeping up appearances while looking for free lodging, grass, food, and sex. It was pitiful! Hypocrisy ran rampant in those days. Laziness was the credo, and self-righteousness the armour. However, there were a few REAL peace workers actually doing something both then and now, and I salute them! That nagging feeling that's been troubling you as you read this thread is probably your dog peeing on your pants leg... - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Amos Date: 10 Jan 03 - 03:02 PM Uhh...Kaleea, babe...I hate to say this,man, but that Y looks an awful lot like a zipper to me! :>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Rustic Rebel Date: 10 Jan 03 - 04:55 PM This site has a list of places you can attend in your areas for demonstrations and many other peaceful links-pax.protest.net Also this;Now this is shouting! and here's to you all; peace on earth Just another thought for us to think about, maybe we all on mudcat should try to come up with our own "Peacecat" symbol. That would be fun. Maybe a whole new thread. Peace, Rustic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: GUEST Date: 11 Jan 03 - 11:08 AM Well, considering the success of the Mudcat CDs, I would think Mudcat might have the talent for compiling a CD, with proceeds to go to some organization that a Mudcat peace collective decides upon. Like the one the UK Stop the War Coalition put together, called "Peace Not War": http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.asp#cd |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Rustic Rebel Date: 11 Jan 03 - 12:10 PM Now that is a great idea, Guest. We could even start a thread to collaborate on some new tunes. (and the cover can be our new peace emblem. A madcat giving the peace sign?) Peace, Rustic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 11 Jan 03 - 09:20 PM PEACE TO ALL!Peace to all in very bold italics as well! That was fun! A most peaceful learning experience! Thank you! daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 11 Jan 03 - 09:28 PM Oh well,line spacingwill be my next learning experience! *peaceful sigh* daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Jan 03 - 10:48 PM You know, daylia, it's even possible to print in bright colors and have what you print scroll across the screen, blinking on and off. But don't ask me how. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 11 Jan 03 - 11:15 PM LH try this site: www.w3schools.com I found it on a Mudcat tech thread. What a wealth of information and inspiration this place is! Gonna learn blinkies and linkies next ... daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: CarolC Date: 12 Jan 03 - 12:00 AM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jan 03 - 12:33 AM Wow. Can you do one that says: William Shatner! William Shatner! Rah!!! Rah!!! Rah!!! - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: mooman Date: 12 Jan 03 - 08:00 AM Guest's idea for a peace CD seems a good one. Not having contributed to the current Mudcat CDs I'd certainly be prepared to contribute material to one. Peace moo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: CarolC Date: 12 Jan 03 - 12:12 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 12 Jan 03 - 10:11 PM Carol those are awesome!!! WOW!!! And I thought I was doing awesome with my new 'blinkies and linkies"! If any of you 'Mudcat Mystics' are interested in transforming/enhancing your usual methods of personal 'prayer', or participating in up-coming global peace meditations, This link may prove quite useful. Enjoy! daylia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: CarolC Date: 12 Jan 03 - 11:18 PM You're way ahead of where I was when I was at your stage of being on-line, daylia. Also, I stole what I did up there from Joe Offer a year or so ago using "veiw" and "source" in Internet Explorer. (Yes, Joe, you created a monster ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: khandu Date: 12 Jan 03 - 11:22 PM Oh Strange One, you continue to astonish me! And they tell me you play an accordion! Hmmmmm. k |
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Subject: RE: BS: Peace From: *daylia* Date: 13 Jan 03 - 12:17 AM Carol if you can handle the piano accordion no wonder those moving rainbows come easy! Oh, and click here for information specifically about the World Prayer Vigil for the Middle East in April. Peace daylia |
