another Dubya new word

Subject: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 07:11 AM

Dubya came up with another last night in a TV interview for Britain
Apparantly America is fighting against an "Infatada"

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 07:58 AM

Ref. another thread, I'm not ashamed to be an American, but, I am ashamed that this doofus is.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 08:14 AM

What impressed me was that he said the "America is not in the business of picking leaders of other countries" (re Arafat) then a little later in the interview (and surely less than an hour real-time?) that it was US policy that Saddam Hussain should not be leader in Iraq

A slight problem with consistancy there?

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 08:26 AM

It may not be a habit, but we sure aSA HELL HAVE DONE SO. His command of English is only slightly worse than his knowledge of history. Can you say, Pinochet? Thieu? how about Allende? The list is too long to list.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: mack/misophist
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 09:52 AM

Some one pointed out to me that when George W talks about the oil business or money - things he has a deep personal interest in - he speaks as well as you or I. It's only when he tries to sound presidential that he can't bring it off.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 10:32 AM

Easy to fix! I know someone who works in the oil business -- that's the way he describes it -- and if you press him he tells you he works in the distribution side -- and if you ask a little more closely it turns out to be retail management -- and then finally he allows that what he does is manage a Texaco station on the night shift!! LOL

So I am sure I can find W a job for which his talents are more suited and which falls along his real interest line more closely.

A

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 12:00 PM

George W talks about the oil business or money - things he has a deep personal interest in

I thought Bush failed in the oil business? Of course, I'm sure he's still interested in it.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DougR
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 05:34 PM

Not really, DMcG, post again after Bush has named a successor to Saddam. Anyone who doesn't think Saddam should be replaced is, well, mistaken in my opinion. That doesn't mean the U. S. is going to name a leader to replace him.

DougR

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DougR
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 05:37 PM

Oops. I just realized I broke my own rule. I replied to a Guest thread posted to create controversy. Arghhhhh!

DougR

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Amergin
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 05:39 PM

gotta love dubya...he is always great for good comedy relief....not much use otherwise though...

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: C-flat
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 05:44 PM

I heard that George Dubya was entertained recently by Stevie Wonder and tried to attract his attention by WAVING to him? Please, someone tell me otherwise!

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: kendall
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 08:30 PM

We created Saddam, now, as in the story of Frankenstein, we are regretting it.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Lynn
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 08:49 PM

C-flat - I heard that story too. Still that doesn't make it true, but...

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 10:32 PM

Dumbya may be laughable, but he's hardly comical. Disgusting, scary, inexcusable, perhaps pitiful by turns- but he's NOT funny. Nor is the mess he and the BuShites are making of the U.S. while distracting the vast majority with foreign adventurism.

Best, Greg

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 01:07 AM

I think he's pretty funny-here
Rustic

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 05:06 AM

DougR: You are right of course that there is no inconsistancy in logic between Bush's statements because "not picking leaders" is different to "picking people who should not be leaders". On the other hand, if you do the second often enough, you end up with the first! Also, as kendall pointed out, the US is often prepared to support opposition groups against people they feel should not be leaders. This is, for all practical purposes, picking the next leader whether they are explicitly named or not.

It is also my opinion that it would be better for Iraq and for the world if Saddam was not leader. That does not mean I think it is therefore right to actively replace him. I am sure you will agree that such decisions are part of an immensely difficult moral area. Leaving the specifics of Saddam aside, there has to be a point at which we have no choice to but to interfere in another country - essentially when 'we' judge they are too great a threat to 'us'. I don't think many people would feel WWII was morally unjustified, for example. Equally, there are ways other countries can disadvantage us when we both agree it would be wrong to interfere. In between is a vast grey area. For my part, while I have many objections to how Saddam is behaving I do not yet feel we have reached the point of interfering.

I hope I have managed to keep the tone of this civilised - apologies if I haven't.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: kendall
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 07:34 AM

What about all this noise about moving the head terrorist to another country where torture is accepted? If this is done, no doubt they will find out what they have in store for us in the form of more incidents such as the WT center. Sure, that will slow them down for a while, but, then what? When we become as bad as they are, who wants to live in such a world? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth only makes the whole world blind and toothless. (Mohandas Mahatma Ghandi)

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 12:10 PM

The U.S. is considered one large glass house by many of those leaders of nations who the U.S. objects to. The trouble is that the glass is a one-way mirror for many North Americans who live between Canada and Mexico, and we can't see ourselves as the world sees us, we only see the reflection that government and commercial interests want us to see. It's important to read news from other nations, to play "what if" concerning the complaints lodged by people we consider despicable (Saddam, for example). I only bring this up (for the contributors to this list I'm probably stating the obvious) because it is my fear that while we overtly claim we want peace and democracy in Iran, Iraq, the Middle East, and elsewhere, our governmental representatives and corporate culture are covertly working against those desires.

DougR, I don't think you can accuse this Guest of trolling, so don't worry about contributing to the discussion. It is something we would discuss among ourselves, introduced from the same humourous standpoint.

SRS

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 12:42 PM

Here is this from the transcript of yesterday's Bush/Blair press conference down there in Crawford:

"QUESTION: Prime Minister, we've heard the president say what his policy is directly about Saddam Hussein, which is to remove him. That is the policy of the American administration. Could I ask you whether that is now the policy of the British government?

And could I ask you both, if it is now your policy to target Saddam Hussein, what has happened to the doctrine of not targeting heads of state and leaving countries to decide who their leaders should be, which is one of the principles which applied during the Gulf War?

BUSH: Maybe I should be a little less direct and be a little more nuanced and say we support regime change. "

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST,Truthtoller
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 03:56 AM

You boys would know. Does the 'W' stand for wanker??

T.T.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Dani
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 10:31 AM

I read that the former (president? I forget his title) of Iran said about America, "You have to be afraid of a dinosaur with the brain of a sparrow."

Dani

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: SharonA
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 11:03 AM

I have to confess that I sometimes dyslexically read "intifada" as "infitada". I'd thought it was just me, and it doesn't comfort me in the least to read that Dumbya does it, too. But I looked up "infitada" on www.google.com to find that plenty of news organizations are misspelling it as well (not just American ones, either!). Perhaps Bush is simply reading the wrong news releases!

What irritates me more is that he sometimes says "nucular" as Jimmy Carter did, in addition to other slaughterings of his native language (like "more worser"). In fact, maybe the "W" stands for "worser".

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DougR
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 12:34 PM

DMcD: Looks civilized to me.

Kendall: Taking the terrorist to a country that allows torture has already been rejected by the U. S.

Others: I agree that it would be desirable for our president to speak flawless English, and to be able to communicate as well verbally as could Reagan, Roosevelt, or Clinton. As I learned from a visit to a nearby nudist resort last fall, however, all men are not created equal.

DougR

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DougR
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 12:36 PM

DMcD: Looks civilized to me.

Kendall: Taking the terrorist to a country that allows torture has already been rejected by the U. S.

Others: I agree that it would be desirable for our president to speak flawless English, and to be able to communicate as well verbally as could Reagan, Roosevelt, or Clinton. As I learned from a visit to a nearby nudist resort last fall, however, all men are not created equal.

DougR

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 02:38 PM

This verbal mindrot thing is catching. Tony Blair is normally pretty articulate, but I see that on his visit to Bush he's just been quoted as talking about the need not to be too "precipitative" in going to war.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST,Nerd
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 02:59 PM

DougR:

If there's one thing Bush fears more than Saddam Hussein, it's removing Saddam Hussein and NOT controlling who then becomes the owner of Iraq's chemical, biological and (maybe) nuclear weapons. Rest assured that if he were to remove Saddam he would have a hand-picked replacement to prevent these assets going to Saddam's sons or to other warlords.

Smart from a security standpoint? Yes.

Consistent with his stated policies? No.

"Moral?" Who can say? But as many have said, it's a complex issue!

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST,Amy
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 03:58 PM

Bush Wave

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST,Just Amy (no the same as Amy above)
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 04:33 PM

This man is the President and he was elected to office so what does that say about the American public. The thing that irritates me is that the Democrates are just falling in line with his policies. What is going on here?

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST,Amy
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 04:49 PM

The American public doesn't have time/energy to investigate political candidates. They're too busy providing the labor to keep the Machine running. Why should they bother? No matter who they vote for will screw them over in the end.

All I'm worried about now is how I'm gonna scrape together the $300 to pay back the 'tax cut' I got last year.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 07:23 PM

"Elected" in the essentially same sense as President Mugabe of Zimbabwe.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DougR
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 07:44 PM

That's an old saw, McGrath. He was elected.

DougR

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Tweed
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 08:35 PM

If it could ever be proven that the election was rigged down here in balmy south Florida, what would happen? What should happen? It's too late to do anything now ain't it? Also, DougR, it sounds like you're starting to wonder about this president a little more than before. Rush Limbaugh even so much as said today that Bush seemed inconsistant lately....weird....more signs of the apocalypse....

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Genie
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 01:47 PM

I'll have a cheese infatada with a side of guacamole.

----

Or is "infatada" the latest dance craze, after the macarena and the lambada?

Genie

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST,Amy
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 02:52 PM

I have a tendency to do this too, speak weirdly that is. I get it from my dad. The words sound fine in my head but when they come out it gets scrambled. For example I just typed 'find' for 'fine'. I'd would probably come out of my mouth that way too. I know it's wrong, and I hate myself for it, but I've been unable to change it in my 27 years.

This tendency is most prevalent when I speak, which is one reason I've very, very quiet. Unfortunately people have a tendency to make fun of those whose words come out incorrectly, even if it's just a gentle mocking. I'm not a stupid person (at least I don't think so) but those who listen to me might think me rather thick.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 02:54 PM

Guest Just Amy,

What is going on here is there is no difference between donkeys and elephants, so you should vote green instead! :-)

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 04:14 PM

Tongue-tied Amy, it sounds like a form of dyslexia you're dealing with. I went through therapy for dyslexia during the period around sixth grade, and while it helped with some of my reading problems, it built in little encapsulated bits of words (prefixes and suffixes mostly) that sometimes plop themselves down in places where I didn't intend to write them. And since often the resulting words are proper words, even if they aren't the ones I intended, the computer's spelling check is no help. I sometimes have difficulty getting the accent on the right syllable when pronouncing words if I am having difficulty visualizing the spelling of the word at the same time. It's like the dyslexia therapy hard-wired in a detour through a visual filter for the spoken word as well as the written word.

Now what is George Dubya's excuse? I don't think anyone has accused him of being overly bright, and high intelligence is one aspect of dyslexia. (And No, DougR, he wasn't elected, he was appointed by the Reagan Supremes).

SRS

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST,Amy
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 04:35 PM

Stilly,

I thought dyslexia had more to do with reading words incorrectly than speaking...I guess there are different forms. I am agonizing over all the mistakes I made in my last post.

I don't generally have trouble with spelling at all, have won spelling bees in the past. And I think my vocabulary is decent. Just when it tumbles out of my mouth is where the problem starts.

And usually my writing is not this bad, I think the fact that I'm doing it on the fly doesn't help.

As far as the president goes, I am willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Truthfully though I find it hard to listen to him, he seems rather too vitriolic of late.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 05:40 PM

To various GUESTS, Amy, Other Amy,etc.: First of all Bush was not elected, but selected by a 5 Supreme Court Justices who had been appointed by his party. He was the first to bring in the heavies (lawyers), the first to bring in hired "goon sqads" to harrass polling officilas and the first to file a suit in the Federal Court to stop the recounts. Those are facts and they fairly well implicate Bush and his sponsors in this deal.

Second, those who are disappointed by the Democrats voting for Bush's proposals need look no further than who their bosses are. Yep, same folks who own the Repulicans and Bush. There is no two party system.

Think Green, support Green and vote Green. Restore democracy and integrity to America.

Bobert

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Lanfranc
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 06:47 PM

Could I please wake up in the alternative universe where the "West Wing" is true, and the current White House regime the cast of a sitcom?

"They won't give peace a chance, that was just a dream some of us had." (Joni Mitchell "California")

Alan

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DougR
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 07:03 PM

Tweed: I don't agree with all of GWB's views. I still support him though.

SRS: Dream on.

DougR

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Genie
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 12:26 AM

Stilly and Amy, It's aphasia not dyslexia.

In Dubya's case, though, it's not just aphasia [or creative verbal memory]. He sometimes says whole sentences that are Quayle-esque in their absurdity or nonsensicality.

And lots of shortcomings are a lot less noticeable and less important in the average Joe or Jane than in the "leader of the free world."

Genie

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: kendall
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 10:40 AM

Oh yeah? so he was selected by the supreme court; that doesn't change the fact that almost half of the voters wanted him in there too!

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST,Amy
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 11:03 AM

Give the power back to the states, where it belongs. The federal government is out of control anyway. Remember the red/blue map? Different areas of the country want/need different things. How can one man effectively represent all of us? George Washington understood it, why can't the rest of them?

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DougR
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 12:01 PM

Because, Guest Amy, the federal government does not wish to give up any power, particularly the liberal members of Congress. Don't you know that the federal government knows what's best for all of us? Whassamatta you?

After several newspapers, including the major Florida newspapers and (I believe) The New York Times, paid for an independent audit of the votes in Florida, Kendall my friend, Bush still won by a small margin. I repeat what was printed in all the national newspapers and repeated on radio and TV because the news might not have reached your folks in Maine yet. **BG**

DougR

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 12:16 PM

Right kendall--the people who put GWB in the White House were the people who voted for him, and the Supreme Court.

Remember, if God had wanted a Democratic president this term, he'd have given you a candidate.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 01:10 PM

Kendall, if "almost half" wanted Dubya, MORE than half didn't want him. That's the beef. Gore's mistake was in not asking for a recount in all of Florida, instead of cherry-picking a few counties. Despite what DougR has stated above, Gore did win a slim margin in the entire state of Florida.

Bush isn't a dream, he's a nightmare, only there's no waking from it.

SRS

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 01:10 PM

McGrath, the Bush succession had judicial endorsement, Mugabe defied his judiciary. Can you spot the difference?

The front cover of Private Eye shows the two presidents (OK, so Blair's title has yet to be ratified) standing side by side at their respective podiums. (Podia?)

BLAIR: Saddam's out of control. And he's got nuclear weapons.

BUSH: What's wrong with that?

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 01:38 PM

That would be "lecterns." They stand on podiums.

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: DougR
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 02:58 PM

Excuse, SRS, but I don't believe you are correct. The recound showed Bush won by a small margin. If I am in error, please refer me to a credible source to support your view. Thanks.

DougR

Subject: RE: another Dubya new word
From: GUEST,Just Amy
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 03:47 PM

Kids, kids, kids. G. W. Bush did not win the popular vote but he won the majority of the Electoral College vote (with the help of the Supremes).

I have voted Green if I think the candidate is the best person for the job.

Just Amy (because the last name is too hard to spell and pronouce)