BS: Popular views on McCain

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 02:59 PM

"Just making sure all the relevant factas are on the board here, ya know.

"

Why? You have never shown such concern when you posted anti-Bush articles.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 03:08 PM

Bruce,

Even it it is true "I am as bad as you." is just not gonna do!

I would suggest that the next time that Amos, or anyone else doesn't do this

"making sure all the relevant factas are on the board here, ya know."

maybe you should simply provide the relevant factas?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 05:07 PM

The NY Times defends their position

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 06:34 PM

Bruce:

You are at liberty to start a "Defending the President" thread and place in it all the ratiocination you can find defending Bush and his actions. You should do it soon while there is still some to find. I am sure Teribus will be delighted to share the biurden with you.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 09:35 PM

"There is a lot more information in McCain's article about Obama's plan than there is about his own."


                      He must not have said nothin' at all!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 09:37 PM

Not much, but it was all about Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 09:49 PM

All I can say is, he must be really, really bored!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Jul 08 - 10:02 PM

You can read it here yourself. Its not long.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 11:09 AM

McCain must've failed GEOGRAPHY in school.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 11:12 AM

He looked so old compared to Bush Sr. it wasn't funny.

Looks like Romeny's $46 million dollar campaign debt will win him the VP youth slot on the McCain ticket.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 05:40 PM

Hey this guy needs a zippy theme song !!!!!!!!!!!

So far Obama is getting all the affection.
McCain needs omething that speaks of youthful vitality and affection.



After one whole quart of brandy
Like a daisy I awake
With no Bromo Seltzer handy,
I don't even shake.

Men are not a new sensation;
I've done pretty well, I think.
But this half-pint imitation
Put me on the blink

REFRAIN

I'm wild again
Beguiled again
A simpering, whimpering child again
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered am I

Couldn't sleep
And wouldn't sleep
Until I could sleep where I shouldn't sleep
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered am I

Lost my heart but what of it?
My mistake I agree.
he's a laugh, but I like it
because the laugh's on me.

A pill he is
But still he is
All mine and I'll keep him until he is
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered
Like me.



Seen a lot
I mean I lot
But now I'm like sweet seventeen a lot
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered am I

I'll sing to him
Each spring to him
And worship the trousers that cling to him
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered am I

When he talks he is seeking
Words to get off his chest.
Horizontally speaking
He's at his very best.

Vexed again
Perplexed again
Thank God I can't be over-sexed again
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered am I



(Reprise at the end of the show)

Wise at last
My eyes at last
Are cutting you down to your size at last
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered no more

Burned a lot
But learned a lot
And now you are broke, though you earned a lot
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered no more

Couldn't eat
Was dyspeptic
Life was so hard to bear;
Now my heart's antiseptic
Since you moved out of there

Romance-Finis
Your chance-finis
Those ants that invaded my pants-finis
Bewitched, bothered and bewildered no more

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 09:52 PM

Donuel - I was with you right up until the point where the ants invaded his pants.

                                 But what are we looking for to stand in for a melody here?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 08 - 11:39 PM

After touching off hot speculation that John McCain was going to rain on Barack ObamaÕs parade of favorable news coverage by disclosing his VP choice this week, conservative columnist Robert Novak now says he may have gotten snookered.

"I got a suggestion from a very senior McCain aide late yesterday afternoon that he was going to announce it this week,'' Novak told Fox News Tuesday. "They didn't want it to come out the way it was going to come out, and they suggested I put it out.

"I then called another senior person who said, 'I can't talk about that, but wouldn't this be a terrific week to announce it, that is with Obama getting the headlines?' So I just put something on the Internet."

"I've since have been told by certain people that this was a dodge, they were trying to get a little publicity to rain on Obama's campaign,'' Novak told Fox. "That's pretty reprehensible if it's true, but we'll find out in a few days. "

Novak has been the vessel through which Republicans have leaked news that has proven controversial before.

Last week, Novak reported that McCain and Phil Gramm had patched up their differences after the former Texas senator caused a dust-up by calling America a "nation of whiners." Novak wrote that Gramm was returning to the McCain campaign but, amid the controversy that followed the disclosure, Gramm quit as a campaign co-chair.

But Novak kicked off a much bigger firestorm with his July 2003, column disclosing the identity of CIA covert operative Valerie Plame-Wilson. Maybe that was "pretty reprehensible" too?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 12:05 AM

Robert Novak exists to get snookered!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 12:28 AM

Gramm resigns but he is still a Millstone.
Al Malaki endorses Obama.
McCain screws up on his strong suit, twice.
Obama shoots a three.
Novak gets snookered!

Could this week get any better?

Maybe if Tucker Carlson is caught naked in a hotel with James Dobson?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 11:37 AM

I've figured out what the mysterious bulge in his left cheek is. He's part hamster. Either that or he admires hamsters and is emulating them. There are a number of reasons to admire hamsters, so I think that is probably it.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 12:17 PM

You're talking about McCain, right, and not Tucker Carlson or James Dobson. And why have you ruled out snoose?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 12:36 PM

Well, there are many who admire hamsters, aren't there?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 01:01 PM

That's true. And he kind of talks like a hamster too. I mean, like the last time I talked to a hamster, he sounded like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 04:18 PM

Every hamster that ever talked to me started each sentence with "My Friends."

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: DougR
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 02:39 PM

WOW, Amos! I just read your post on 5 April 08 at 0645PM listing the ten "facts" about John McCain Mudcatters might not know. (I'm a slow reader). Your motivation, I'm sure, was to educate us in a objective way.

I thought to myself, 'Now I'm really going to get the "real facts" about my candidate. I read the whole very long post until I was fairly gasping with what you had been able to turn up. Then, at the bottom of the list, you listed your source.

(Move On).

And I got my biggest laugh of the day! Thanks. A good laugh does wonders for a fellow.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 03:50 PM

DougR:

Your prejudices are flying from the topmast again, my friend. Each one of the statements compiled in that post has a fgootnoted source from which it is drawn. That is the orginal of the individual facts listed. I notice, too, in your haste to have a good sarcastic and belittling lautgh, that you carefully do not answer any of the points raised about McCain in that list. Care to respond tot he issues raised instead of demeaning the wrong source?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 04:19 PM

>>>Then, at the bottom of the list, you listed your source.

Doug, he listed the source before the list. Its a lot of wasted trouble to go back to April for a dig then get the facts wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 10:56 PM

Is that a source?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:25 PM

Rig:

Your question is highly ambiguous. As far as the ten items listed concerning McCain, in my April post, the source reference for each is footnoted at the bottom of the post, and they are different references.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Jul 08 - 08:10 AM

Is it just me or hasn't McCain seemed awfully cranky this past week???

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 12:37 PM

"Mr. McCain could also have stepped into the leadership gap left by Mr. BushÕs de facto abdication. His inability to even make a stab at doing so is troubling. While drama-queen commentators on television last week were busy building up false suspense about the Obama trip Ñ will he make a world-class gaffe? will he have too large an audience in Germany? Ñ few focused on the alarms that Mr. McCainÕs behavior at home raise about his fitness to be president.

Once again the candidate was making factual errors about the only subject he cares about, imagining an Iraq-Pakistan border and garbling the chronology of the Anbar Awakening. Once again he displayed a tantrum-prone temperament ill-suited to a high-pressure 21st-century presidency. His grim-faced crusade to brand his opponent as a traitor who wants to Òlose a warÓ isnÕt even a competent impersonation of Joe McCarthy. Mr. McCain comes off instead like the ineffectual Mr. Wilson, the retired neighbor perpetually busting a gasket at the antics of pesky little Dennis the Menace." NYT

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 06:51 PM

Fox "News" is in the tank for McCain

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 07:59 PM

McCain has announced his support for a ballot initiative in Arizona that would curtail Affirmative Action, like the one that passed in California.
             This should win him wide spread support from everyone except the black community, where Obama already has over 90% of the vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 09:08 PM

Are you saying he was in trouble in Arizona? Does he need to pick up votes there?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jul 08 - 10:45 PM

Not at all, Jack. He is garnishing votes wherever he can get them. He is going to pick up a much larger share of the white working class votes, folks who have seen their fortunes diminished as a result of affirmative action, all over the country.

                  He will be accused of being a flip-flopper by the Deomocratic elite, because he opposed a similar measure in 1998. But the charge won't hold because all he has to do is to announce, "The situation has changed. An African American in the nominee of the Democratic Party." He gets the best of both worlds.

                  It's the same kind of boost he got out of announcing he was changing his postion on off-shore oil drilling.

                  I'm not really a McCain supporter, but I think Obama would be far worse. I guess what I'm saying is, this guy is a really accomplished politician.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 12:27 AM

"He is garnishing votes wherever he can get them."

Yeah. That's how the game is played. And what a damn silly game it is. (in my opinion)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 12:35 AM

For instance: "flip-flopper" - someone who changes his mind.

Now, what would you call someone who never changes his mind?

An idiot. A fanatic. A crazy man. A person incapable of flexibility of thought. A person who cannot adapt to change.

Hitler, for example, seemed to have a very strong tendency to never change his mind...and gee, wasn't he just a terrific national leader???

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 08:37 AM

Rigs,

George Bush was an accomplished politican... We don't need them running the show... We need people who are smart enough and flexible enough to fix broken stuff that accomplished politicans leave in their wake...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 02:44 PM

That's why we need Jesse Ventura!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 03:07 PM

And Chongo Chimp!

I'm thinking that Chongo and Jesse should team up, actually, but would Jesse settle for VP?

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 04:49 PM

Well, he was an accomplished liar, but as a politician he was a bloody flat-on-his-face laughingstock and failure.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 04:52 PM

"John McCain's Negative Attacks Against Barack Obama Hit a Low Mark
July 28, 2008 10:52 AM ET | John Mashek | Permanent Link


In every presidential campaign, candidates of both parties will say something over the line. Sen. John McCain has already hit a low mark.

The senior senator from Arizona said his Democratic rival would "rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign." What's next, an open charge of treason?

McCain and his GOP allies have insisted that Sen. Barack Obama should practically genuflect in front of them and admit he was wrong on the surge in Iraq. Obama declined to bear witness to the surge's success despite the heavy attacks.

For myself, I will acknowledge the surge has helped calm Iraq, thanks to pouring 130,000 more U.S. troops into the Iraqi cities and countryside. But this does not mean the six-year war has been won. Far from it.

In fact, the Iraqi leaders and even President Bush have agreed on a goal of a heavy U.S. drawdown, even though the White House prefers to call it a "general time horizon" rather than a timetable. Talk about a fuzzy description.

McCain still hasn't told us what his oft-called-for victory would look like. Even his friend Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska says McCain is treading on thin ground with his personal attack on Obama's motives.

Although the economy is the top issue for voters, McCain continues to emphasize the war. When reminded in an interview about the mounting problems in Afghanistan, McCain said that "there was a lot more work to be done" in that country and returned the focus to Iraq.

Remember Afghanistan? That's the war the Bush administration left far too early to invade Iraq. You haven't heard McCain or many Republicans admit that that was a tremendous error."

...(US News and World Rpeort...)

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 05:37 PM

"Well, he was an accomplished liar, but as a politician he was a bloody flat-on-his-face laughingstock and failure."



                      I didn't know Chongo was ever in office!

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 10:20 AM

McCain is reminding me more and more of the elder council people in the movie Millenium, staring Kris Kristoferson.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 05:37 PM

Standing before a room of oil company executives in June, John McCain flip-flopped and declared support for coastal oil drilling. Now the Washington Post is reporting that, within days, oil and gas execs ponied up nearly $1 million to elect McCain.1 It's another piece of evidence that in a McCain White House, oil companies will call the shotsÑjust as they have with President Bush.

Yesterday, MoveOn members jumped into action in response to the Post story, placing "For Sale" signs on McCain headquarters in 10 battleground states to call public attention to it.2 At the same time, McCain made our point for us, holding a photo-op yesterday in front of a California oil well and renewing his push for offshore drilling.3

McCain's hoping to use gas prices as a wedge issue to win the election. That's why it's so critical that we keep spreading the message that McCain's been heavily influenced by the oil companiesÑand so we can't count on him to solve the energy crisis. When people think of Bush, they think "oil," but that's not true of McCain yetÑeven though his energy policy is almost identical to Bush's and his campaign is literally run by oil lobbyists!4

Here's a video that makes the case, from our friends at Progressive Accountability. Please check it out, then forward it to a few friends, post it on a blog, or stick it on your Facebook page.

Twenty-Nine Guesses


A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 06:46 PM

"It's another piece of evidence that in a McCain White House, oil companies will call the shotsÑjust as they have with President Bush."


                     Better for the country, though, than having MoveOn.org calling the shots.

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 06:57 PM

Borowitz - McCain's World (Wide Web) Tour

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 11:44 PM

McCain Declines Secret Service Security Detail

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 09:24 AM

So given a chance to reiterate his opposition to tax increases -- and underscore a main contrast with his opponent -- Mr. McCain punted. Democrats were quick to pounce, with the Democratic National Committee issuing a press release headlined, "McCain Tax Pledge? Not so much." It provided citations of the presumptive GOP nominee asserting that "Senator Obama will raise your taxes. I won't." Expect the "nothing's off the table" line to show up in Democratic TV spots this fall.

The wandering candidate also put his chief economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, in an uncomfortable spot. Back in June, the McCain campaign went after Mr. Obama's proposal for a Social Security payroll tax increase on income above $250,000. A President McCain, his adviser then said, wouldn't consider a payroll tax increase "under any imaginable circumstances." So much for that.

Economics has never been Mr. McCain's strong suit, but with Iraq receding as a crisis the economy is the ground where the Senator will have to fight and win. And the tax issue provides him with a potent opening, given Mr. Obama's pledge to raise taxes on incomes, dividends and capital gains. In proposing to raise the payroll tax cap, the Democrat is to the left even of Hillary Clinton. Mr. McCain's Sunday blunder will make that issue that much harder to exploit.

Such mistakes also help explain the continued lack of enthusiasm for Mr. McCain among many conservatives. Meeting with us last December, before the primaries, he declared that "I will not agree to any tax increase," repeating the phrase for emphasis. He did not say any tax increase with the exception of Social Security. If Mr. McCain can't convince voters that he's better on taxes than is a Democrat who says matter-of-factly that he wants to raise taxes, the Republican is going to lose in a rout.

WSJ

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 09:56 AM

In recent weeks, Mr. McCain has been waving the flag of fear (Senator Barack Obama wants to "lose" in Iraq), and issuing attacks that are sophomoric (suggesting that Mr. Obama is a socialist) and false (the presumptive Democratic nominee turned his back on wounded soldiers).

Mr. McCain used to pride himself on being above this ugly brand of politics, which killed his own 2000 presidential bid. But he clearly tossed his inhibitions aside earlier this month when he put day-to-day management of his campaign in the hands of one acolyte of Mr. Rove and gave top positions to two others. The résumés of the new team's members included stints in Mr. Bush's White House and in his 2004 re-election campaign, one of the most negative and divisive in memory....
NYT

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 10:26 AM

"Mr. McCain used to pride himself on being above this ugly brand of politics, which killed his own 2000 presidential bid."


                     Which tells us that he can adjust to change. The idea that you can run a campaign in America and stay out of the pig pen is absolutely laughable. Most of us wish it wasn't that way, but...

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 10:34 AM

Whenever someone catches Obama engaging in questionable tactics, they explain it away by saying "that's just what politicians do". Then in the next breath they talk about how Obama is new and different from other politicians.

Hope and Change
Hope and Change
Hope and Change

Etc Etc

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 10:44 AM

Flimsy stuff, Sawz. Anyway, good luck wioth it.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 07:00 PM

I don't see Amos presenting anything to the contrary while he is ducking and dodging questions.