BS: a word to the wise

Subject: BS: a word to the wise
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:21 PM

When I post a warning passed on to me via government agency channels, it drops to the bottom of the page very quickly, so take note now that...

The CDC and NIH have recommended that people should stockpile tuna fish, condensed/powdered milk and other food stuffs in the event of a human to human pandemic.

Now is the time to also stockpile Tamiflu for your family since it was unavailable for some time now and may once again be available to certain people. I say certain people since I have found that Rite Aid drug stores within certain economicly disadvantaged areas are unable to fill orders for the liquid Tamiflu. One may have better chances of filling the prescription in wealthy neighborhood drug stores - especially for the pill form.

Certainly we all hope the hype today will turn out to be as disingenuous as the swine flu scare but it is better to be safe than sorry.

Good luck and good night.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:39 PM

I heard we are to store it all under our beds. All part of the worldwide diversionary shell game led by Bushites.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:44 PM

Bush's ratings drop into the basement and up comes the spectre of a pandemic!

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:51 PM

Donuel, try having your meds balanced.....

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:52 PM

The spectre of a pandemic, like war and poverty, we always seem to have with us. What was it Tom Paxton wrote? -- "...if it isn't war, it's some loathsome disease...."

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:54 PM

Where the hell am I supposed to put the tuna? My basement is full of saran wrap and duct tape.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:55 PM

Don,

Read Tom Clancy's "Debt of Honor" or maybe it was "Executive Orders". A scenario much like this whole thing happened. Disease allows government to over-ride State's rights and shut down interstate commerce and travel. It allows for the military to take control. (Maybe those camps we talked about a year back are gonna get some customers.)

And if the government controls the media, well, what ya see is what ya get.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: MMario
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:58 PM

Donuel - all threads travel to the bottom of the page at exactly the same rate - 24 hours without posting.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 01:59 PM

Anyone seen "V for Vendetta" yet ? About the British government unleashing a virus and the totalitarian government that results because of it? Hmmmm....

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:00 PM

If there is no monster, create one.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: SINSULL
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:02 PM

I find no reference to these recommendations on the CDC website.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:10 PM

Living where we do we are creating a "72 hour kit." But that's because of earthquakes, blizzards, and other natural disasters.

If you're worried about a flu or any other pandemic, I recommed reading about the pandemic of 1918. The are several very good books on the topic.

Besides -- how do you plan on stopping it? With Executive Orders?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: LilyFestre
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:12 PM

Being of the homesteading variety, we try to stay stocked up as much as we can all the time. You just never know.

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:14 PM

Stock as you would for any natural disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: LilyFestre
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:17 PM

Exactly. :)

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Becca72
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:43 PM

By stocking up on canned tuna you may avoid the pandemic, but you'll end up with mercury poisoning...can't win 'em all, I guess

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: MMario
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 02:46 PM

The reason to stock up being so you can avoid other people? It would have to be pretty disastrous before I could stay home from work; I doubt the slight added risk from shopping would do much to increase or decrease my chances of catching a disease.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 03:03 PM

1)Tuna are overfished already
2)my bed is pretty low, and hard to see under
3)powdered milk is no substitute for beer
4)if there's really a pandemic afoot, there are other things I'd rather set my mind to.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 03:16 PM

Putting aside the politics of fear, actual bio war research, the dozens of cartoons and essays I have done on the subject...

Should a pandemic occur there is a breakdown of transportation (truck drivers) Grocery stores (employees) etc. - it is not about aoiding people.

As my doctor said if they can't even get water to Katrina victims there is no reason to believe that adequate precautions can be left to the government. So I got prescritions despite the current recommendations to not prescribe Tamiflu (pre emptively)

Branson bought enough for all his employees last year.



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PS for Clinton Hammond only

Yes I am completely insane - please do not attempt to take any advice regarding H5N1 mutations and precautions. It is all make believe.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 03:28 PM

I, as most other people, probably have enough food in place for a three week siege -- longer if the food was rationed. I have enough bottled water for two people for four days and another hundred gallons available.

Use your head for minute -- during the pandemics of 1957 and 1968 the nation did not collapse, food deliveries did not stop, and essential services continued. Sorry, but I don't depend upon the government of the US or any other country for help in hard times; I learned this back in 1965 fighting floods on the Upper Mississippi.

I also learned that disasters are never as disasterous as the doomsayers tell me they will be.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: number 6
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:02 PM

I'm stocking caviar and Dom Perignon under my bed.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:03 PM

See ya soon.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:07 PM

Jerry Falwell predicted "The Rapture" would come at the same time as the Y2K problem erupted, so he stocked up on guns and ammunition. Why, do you suppose?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:09 PM

The Rupture is coming? Sheesh . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: number 6
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:12 PM

How I learned to love the Bird Flu and stop worrying.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Beer
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:12 PM

No Scotch "6"?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:13 PM

You needn't worry about the bird flu if you're ruptured.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Wesley S
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:13 PM

Guns and ammo for the rapture ? Now I know I'm not going....

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: number 6
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:14 PM

Sorry ... I dipped inot the safety stock and drank it all on the weekend ... hic.

But I'll take a beer right about now ... got one beer?

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Becca72
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 04:33 PM

No worries about water here in the great state of Maine...I think we're still holding 6 truck loads of ice intended for those affected by Katrina...

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:12 PM

Here's the CDC's Pandemic Flu Planning Checklist for Individuals and Families.

Stockpiling prescription meds by individuals isn't a good idea. Hospitals and pharmacies, yes.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:22 PM

But Jeri, I can't get any more hospitals in my basement!!! Where else can I stockpile them?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:24 PM

Let FEMA do it. Trust them. They know what's happening.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 05:53 PM

Spaw, take the Burger King and Walmart out of your ass, and there will be some room in there.

Peace, when FEMA isn't being run by Homeland inSecurity, they basically coordinate between hospitals and pharmacies which are supposed to maintain emergency supplies.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:11 PM

I've got three cases of Twinkies stored in my basement, just in case..

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:15 PM

And did I mention that I'm stockpiling Tele-tubbies videos, just in case? (The Smurfs went bad. Be sure to rotate your stock.)

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:07 AM

Don't let Gerry Falwell know.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:56 AM

As you know, the flu virus vaccines that many of us have been injected with have been grown in an egg medium in the lab.

Maybe its a leap but does anyone else see a correlation between growing flu virus in an egg medium and the sudden appearance of the avian flu virus? Is this a mutation or could a virus leap from bird to human via the very method we are using to protect us from the common, everyday flu?

I know I am being vague but there is something rattling around in my brain that tells me these flu shots we are offerred every year, may not do us any good in the long run. Are there any doctors or scientists out there that can sort this out for me?

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 02:45 AM

Tamiflu?
and we're all doomed if we can't get it
oh dear!

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: LilyFestre
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:23 AM

Jerry,

You're all set then, those things NEVER go bad!!!!!

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:23 AM

Doctors I talk with casually seem to believe that a pandemic next year is possible. If it occurs, so many people will be home sick that the economy will be affected for a time. I am taking this seriously despite what Bush says.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:03 AM

I don't imagine that many of the people in Asia who have contracted the avian flu had the flu vaccine administered first.

One startling bit of information: There are now cases in 40 countries.

Because of its location on the migratory route Alaska is considered a prime venue for the flu- among fowl. But since Alaska doesn't have a large commercial poultry industry it wouldn't appear to be much of a menace to us. As long as the virus does not make the jump from animal to human. So far, they say, that has not happened. Although they are less than reassuring as to how humans first got the bug.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:09 AM

I hope W gets homesick, goes back to Crawford to hunt quail with Dick, gets shot in the foot and together end the day enjoying a great feast of bird flu.

Peace is right. Leave it to FEMA. They have a longer track record in the care and feeding of victims than most individuals. How many of you have ever fed yourselves? Naw, best leave it to Homeland Security.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:17 AM

Glad you picked up on the 'tongue in cheek', Don.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: open mike
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:19 AM

there are warnings about tuna these days, too..
i recommend boxes of long shelf life soy milk
ready to drink or use without having to add h2o

i live with large bags of beans and rice (25-50 pound)
being the usual chioce for groceries...so usually am
prepared for any emergency. another item of import
might be a solar battery charger...and re-chargeable batteries.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 03:55 PM

good tip mike

In obtaining Tamiflu my experience was that Rite Aid would not fill it claiming simply it was on indefinate back order. However a CVS drug store in a relatively up scale area fills it immediately.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 04:25 PM

You could store stuff under the Brooklyn Bridge. I imagine the old cache is going to be cleared out.

Here's the story.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Teribus
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 04:36 PM

Wesley S - 20 Mar 06 - 01:59 PM

"Anyone seen "V for Vendetta" yet ? About the British government unleashing a virus and the totalitarian government that results because of it? Hmmmm...."

Hey Wes, the plots a bit thin isn't it?

The British Government unleash a virus in order that they can rule............ Britain???

Hmmmm...... Indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 04:36 PM

Out of about 6 billion people world-wide, 103 have died of H5N1. That's 0.0000017%. As someone said very recently, "There is no pandemic among humans, but if I were a bird I'd be worried."

Nor do you need a poultry industry -- H5N1 is found in wild fowl worldwide and in all regions. The influenza virus has been endemic in wild fowl for many, many years -- it's NOT something new. What is new is the infection of domestic poultry farms.

Not H5N1 or any other strain of influenza virus has come about because of egg-based growth medium. What is grown therein is used to inject people, not birds, and the eggs CERTAINLY aren't allowed to hatch. For that matter, Saulk polio vaccine was grown in egg medium.

Subject: RE: BS: a word to the wise
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 05:59 PM

"Ohio Gov. Bob Taft says he believes U.S. states in general are on their way to being prepared as much as many overseas governments are. He said in an interview that states need to make sure local governments are prepared to handle quarantines and isolation since they will be the initial front line in the fight.

Taft said Ohio has already toughened laws on quarantines, is working on a contingency plan to keep state government running "at low strength," and will hold a number of regional summits to make sure local health agencies are aware and ready to cooperate."