BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 06 - 04:00 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: bill kennedy
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 04:52 PM

There was an exhibition that toured France in 1986 and 87 of Prinet's work and a catalog raisonee of sorts was produced to accompany it. on p. 51 (my translations from the French will be in parantheses) it shows

La Sonate a Kreutzer (Kreutzer Sonata) 1901
Col. Parfums Dana (?) USA

Coll. Part. USA (PRivate Collection, USA)
Exp. Salon de 1901 no 750 (exhibited in the Paris Salon of 1901)
Bibl. "Mademoiselle", mai 1915, magazine americain (apparently there was an article or print of the painting in the May 1915 issue of Mademoiselle magazine)

Cette oeuvre vendue le 17 Juillet 1901 au Prince Regent de Bavaiere, est utilisee par les parfums DANA (USA) comme etiquette du parfume TABOU.
"La Sonate a Kreutzer" est connue aux Etats-Unis sous le nom "The Violonist" (sic) depuis 1941. Javier Sewrra, Directeur de Dana Perfume, invente TABOU a Barcelone en 1932, inspire par Totem et Taboo de Freud. Ce parfum est achete par les americaines des Caraibes particulierement a la Havanne.
En 1983, dans "The Revisionist Art Calendar" l'envoi de decembre est illustre par "The Violonist" de Rene Prinet.

(This work sold on July 17 1901 to the Prince Regent of Bavaria (This would have been Luitpold) and was used by Dana Perfumes as a trademark for the perfume Tabu.
"The Kreutzer Sonata" has been known in the US as "The Violinist" since 1941. Javier Serra, Director of Dana Perfume, invented Tabu in Barcelona in 1932, inspired by Freud's "Totem and Taboo". The perfume was bought by the Americans in the Caribbean, especially in Havana. (I really don't quite know what this means but I think that's what is says!)
In 1983, in "The Revisionist Art Calendar" December is illustrated by "the Violinist" of Rene Prinet.)

Hope this helps, I have not had any luck tracking down the Revisionist Art Calendar, but the catalog I am quoting from that may be in an art library near you has a nice color reproduction. It's obvious that an artist working for Dana Perfumes (which went out of business in about 1987, right after this exhibition!) played with the image for the ad. I don't know what happened to the painting as Dana Perfumes was part of a larger company that went bankrupt, it may have been sold off or may be in some executives home somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 16 Feb 06 - 06:34 PM

Good find, bill -

Until now, the best link I'd found between Prinet and the painting was a Kreutzer Sonata at a Russian site I couldn't get anything translated from. This one (linked earlier in the thread) appears to be a "study," as it's pretty crudely done - not Prinet's style from the bit I've found.

I've got a Russian dictionary, but I couldn't make a dent in the text. Google translator can't even "transliterate" the Cyrillic characters.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 06:09 AM

A presumedly excellent photo of the original "Kreutzer Sonata" painting by Prinet is available at Lebrecht Music and Arts Photography. Go to the second page of "results" at this link, and in the second row down you'll find an offering of the painting as a "stock photo." This is the Tabu ad without the Tabu bottle.

Elsewhere on the site it indicates that the available file has a Download size of 2,243 Kb, and uncompresses to 16,601 Kb. This would be an "excellent quality" image, probably suitable for printing the painting about 28 inches tall at 150 dpi, or larger with lesser resolution.

I did not check out the "commercial realities" of the site, as I have an aversion to clicking anything labelled "add to basket." Those with sufficient resources for investigation of such things, or more curiosity than I have, are invited to inquire further at the site.

The "thumbnail," which can be copied and saved, is "watermarked" to prevent its use. It would require considerable detail work to remove the watermark, and it is unlikely that it could be "worked up" to much beyond about 5x7 inch, if that, without considerable fuzziness. The thumbnail shows a bit of grunge and grime in the background, but it's hard to say whether it's due to the small size of the thumbnail or whether it might be present in the available large image (and on the original painting).

An incidental new bit of information is that several newly appearing sources quote a reference to "Prinet's painting of the Kreutzer Sonata" in Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita. For some unfathomable reason, all of the English language sites where the quote appears seem to be on university physics department servers. Perhaps "Lolita" is the code name for some new piece of physics apparatus??????

About 30% of the returns by MSN search for "Prinet+Kreutzer+Sonata currently are to this thread. Perhaps our repeated searchings have produced the other newer hits.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Joybell
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 06:45 PM

Who would have thought that this request would have turned up such a wonderful adventure.

John, So naughty of those History teachers to tease you like that with their frilly blouses and formal suits. Wouldn't you think just one of them might have given out a few little kisses. Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:30 PM

Joy -


It was their INTELLECTS, not the frilly blouses!!!

Fortunately, I was shy and they were cautious. It was in Kansas after all, and we've since seen many times what our attorneys general think of Romeo and Juliet.

The current one, Herr Kline, is pleading to the Supreme Court that there are no young lovers. "They're all YOUNG #@$%!! CRIMINALS."

John

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Feb 06 - 10:40 PM

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/romance.jpg

I enlarged the version above for printing.

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 02:22 AM

Good job, Donuel. I tried to take it a bit further (6 x 7, but @ 150 dpi) and I think I blew a bit of it out a little.

I wonder what the "real" photo looks like, but as they say, "If you have to ask..."

John

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Joybell
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 03:09 AM

Yes thank you Donuel. I posted a reply but somehow it disappeared into the void.

I also mentioned that I thought naked intellect tastfully decorated with a frilly blouse was a good idea. Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 06 - 02:16 PM

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/romance.jpg

this is already about 8 by 11

I enlarged it from the 3 inch sample early in this thread.

I have made many perfume ads of my own. But it would be fatuous of me to repost them here.

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: GUEST,bobbi
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 03:26 AM

I've been searching for this painting for about a year and I finally found a black and white copy of it in "Advertising, reflections of a century" by BryanHolme (Viking Press, 1982. The picture, however, was ripped from a previous borrower's carelessnes; but with the book's help, I found the painter and with YOUR help, I found that lovely print on line. Thank you!

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 03:19 PM

bobbi -

Depending of course on the amount of damage, a ripped print often can be fairly easily "put back together." With fairly simple methods, my SO's mother's antique photos yielded good pictures of ancient relatives that originally arrived with missing ears, coke-stained eyeballs, and one with an 8 inch long x 2 inch wide crack in the middle of a 19 x 14 print.

But the good print we finally found will be a lot easier starting point. I'd still like to know who owns the original now, and why it's so well hidden.

Donuel -

I haven't looked closely enough to be really sure, but there appears to be a "remnant" on your enlargement that suggests someone may have used the same "thumbnail" I found at Lebrecht. A tiny bit of gold on the front of the piano above the keyboard looks like what I took to be part of the "watermark" on the Lebrecht thumbnail. The one you used for your enlargement may be from the same source, and someone who posted it earlier may have "cleaned" it to remove the watermark(?).

I haven't looked to see if there's any "metadata" in either of the .jpg files that might give a more positive indication, but if they are from the same source, that one stock photo may be an exclusive. It's likely that Lebrecht would have a © embedded in their file, and it may have survived previous manipulation of the image, or not.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Joybell
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 05:04 PM

This continues to be such an interesting search.
Welcome in bobbi.
It would be fun to find out where the original is wouldn't it. Hildebrand is so happy to finally have such a good copy. He's thought about the picture on and off for about 50 years.
Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Feb 06 - 05:41 PM

I've done a very limited amount of poking about at a few museums that might have inherited a painting from "Prince Luitpold of Bavaria," but although there are a few dozen possible ones to check, they semm not generally to have posted indexes of their holdings. The few that might have "searchable" postings on the web all appear to use "fuzzy search" so that when you enter "Prinet" as a search term you get all the results that might include "Prinet" OR "Print" OR "Parent" (all three contract to prnt for typical fuzzy search) so any possible result is buried among lists of every piece of paper one can buy from the museum gift shop.

There's also the slight handicap that most hits for any museum will be from travel agencies who's only info is that they can get you a ticket to get there. It's not always evident that they actually know where "there" is - but "they'll look it up" if want buy the ticket.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 10:45 AM

Of course I used the link I found here...but the "remnant" you speak of was my own doing...If you look closely you will see I wrote the word Mudcat as the brand name of the piano.

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 11:52 AM

Donuel -

I blew yours to a very large view on my monitor to take a quick look at how the pixels had clotted, so I did in fact miss the brand name in my first look. Going back, I'm not sure exactly which "blob" I saw that looked like it might have been the leftover, but I think it was only a few pixels, a bit to the right of your nameplate.

There's some additional blur/smear in the Lebrecht thumbnail that doesn't seem to be in the one you worked, so I'm inclined to think now that the one you worked probably wasn't from that later thumbnail.

It never pays to look too closely at one that's been "worked." It gets hard to tell the imagination from the details.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Joybell
Date: 01 Mar 06 - 06:07 PM

Donuel, I thought I was imagining the name Mudcat on the piano! I Thought it was one of those "believe it or not" moments. Clever! Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Naemanson
Date: 02 Mar 06 - 05:53 PM

Look here for a modern folk music interpretation of the painting.

More information about Fred and Julia, i.e. Castlebay.

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Joybell
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 01:21 AM

I get the impression that they went quite a way beyond the "Fond Kiss" stage, Naemanson, but thanks for your contribution.
Perhaps they kissed fondly but innocently, straightened their clothes, righted the stool and went on with the duet like nothing happened. Maybe some smitten musicians do. Cheers, Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: GUEST,bobbi
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 07:04 PM

Thanks for the welcome, Prinet admirers! I have sent my info and interest in to the www.lebrecht.co.uk website for purchase of a print of "Kreutzer Sonata", but haven't heard anything back yet. They weren't an ordinary print/poster warehouse as they seemed to want my first born before they would allow me to even request the print. I haven't heard anything back from them; perhaps they have an exclusive on the print and don't want a copy hanging in someone's home just for pleasure, not for profit. Interesting that one painting is drawing so much attention, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Name of painting? Tabu ad
From: Joybell
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 06:07 PM

Is your First-born small enough to send cheaply by mail bobbi? Good luck. Keep us posted. Cheers, Joy