BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 04:50 AM

Oh dear dear how very English of you old boy. Who has the largest Nationalist vote in the North ? YES the people your media cut the sound of their broadcasts and called them scum. Are Sinn Fein one of the largest fund raising parties in America YES. Has the British government been meeting all our demands within the last seven years ? You can bet your ass on it. Ask a good old Ulster Scot living here. Thats the reason they now say for their stamping of their feet, since last Saturday. Thanks gentlemen it's going nicely for us over here. Oh before I forget, please keep the funding coming in. Do you know your government spends more per head in the North of Ireland than anyway else in the U.K. ? Go on push your M.P. to get rid. It would be cheaper !

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:06 AM

Well, I'm a Scot and Im with the "lads" on this one.

Northern Irish history is a stinking mess and an indelible stain on the rest of us. We supported successive governments who implimented fascist policies on the Irish poeple, because we we fooled by the use of sectarianism, by the Unionists and by our own govt.

Without the armed struggle, the hunger strikers and the magnificent protest from nationalist people I am certain the Catholic population would still be second class citizens in their own country.

The war in Ireland may be all over bar the shouting, but we in Scotland have still to tackle the hidden disease of sectarianism which is spreading daily...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Tam the man
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:34 AM

THE SASH MY FATHER WORE

Sure l'm an Ulster Orangeman, from Erin's isle I came,
To see my British brethren all of honour and of fame,
And to tell them of my forefathers who fought in days of yore,
That I might have the right to wear, the sash my father wore!

cho: It is old but it is beautiful, and its colors they are fine
It was worn at Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne.
My father wore it as a youth in bygone days of yore
And on the Twelfth I love to wear the sash my father wore

For those brave men who crossed the Boyne have not fought or died in vain
Our Unity, Religion, Laws, and Freedom to maintain,
If the call should come we'll follow the drum, and cross that river once
more
That tomorrow's Ulsterman may wear the sash my father wore!

And when some day, across the sea to Antrim's shore you come,
We'll welcome you in royal style, to the sound of flute and drum
And Ulster's hills shall echo still, from Rathlin to Dromore
As we sing again the loyal strain of the sash my father wore!

A great song I tihnk

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Tam the man
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:38 AM

Only kidding people after all it's just a song and what war was this? I don't remember the British Government sending in the navy or the airfoce and attacking Northern Ireland, I can't remember that Westminster declairing war on Northern Ireland so what War?

Ach well the 'war' is over?

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:14 AM

akenaton and Tam. I thank you for your logic and understanding. You are the guys that make this site worth visiting.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Tam the man
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:23 AM

so if we don't support the Terrorist because that's what they are and you lot can't face the truth then we are wrong and the IRA and their supporters on this thread are right.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Tam the man
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:24 AM

(ONLY KIDDING)

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Tam the man
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:29 AM

Wise monkeys

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 10:02 AM

Point taken I fully understand your opinon and value it Tam. If you were born here you'd be a good one ! I like your part of the country.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 11:30 AM

I remember the days when I was a young man when the people of Scotland, England and Wales were banned by our Govt from even hearing the Nationalist argument.
Blair is today attempting to to attack free speech and human rights under cover of the "war on terror".

I believe that in not so many decades, the West will be consumed by a civil war as the two tiers of Western society continue to diverge.

The only way to avoid this war is to ensure that we retain free speech and freedom to protest.

      "He who will not reason is a BIGOT,
       He who cannot is a fool
       and he who dares not is a SLAVE"

       William Drummond 1585---1649..............Ake

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:02 PM

akenaton Such great words, very meaningful and true. Well said.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:15 PM

You guys scare the crap out of me!
I think that I am begining to understand why some conflicts do not end!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:30 PM

Dear Guest It's 800 years old, but we are working on it. Slowly getting there. It ws a big help when the PIRA stated last July that their armed conflict was over. But some of these guys here don't want to hear that. They want to go on and on about actions that the IRA were involved in over 30 years ago. Now you may ask was it only the PIRA ? If you listen to us we will say there was others involved such as the British Army and the British Army backed Loyalist para militaries. But they will tell you no, the PIRA came to England and planned the murders of children. You decide my friend. Wish to add PIRA accepted they were involved in actions that went wrong and took the rap. They used the word sorry, which I accept is no comfort to the family of a lost loved one. But at least we admitted our mistakes.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:44 PM

But at least we admitted our mistakes.

It didn't stop you repeating them though.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:37 PM

And you. Take your guns home please. Ours are being inspected within dumps starting Monday.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Sep 05 - 03:17 AM

The Curator has told us that the guns and soldiers are indeed leaving.
With your long memory of wrongs done to your people over the centuries, you should not be surprised that recent atrocities here still sting.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Sep 05 - 05:12 AM

One thing from this thread sticks in my mind.

Tiocfaidh says "We are a stronger people than you"...and he is right. The other nations which make up the UK have been weakened by the Union, our national identity, our language, our spirit, eroded by the will of the most powerful.
I dont think the Scots or the Welsh of today would have the will to stand up to oppression as the Irish have done.

But the downward spiral never stops once set in motion, and even England has descended into apathy.

The "United Kingdom" now lives in fear of itself.
A collection of midgets who would "fight for their chains rather than be free".....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 18 Sep 05 - 05:52 AM

I can imagine where you come from Tir Chonaill you gave it away with that typical American expression ' butt fucked ' so what is your interest in it, as a foreigner.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 18 Sep 05 - 07:15 AM

Maybe the same as Wolfgangs !

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Grab
Date: 18 Sep 05 - 05:42 PM

Divis, I don't know where you get the idea that people said the IRA were responsible for McCartney's murder. That's bogus.

What we *can* say with 100% accuracy (as far as I know) is that:-

a) The killer was a member of the IRA.

b) Members of the IRA visited the pub after the killing (but before the police arrived) and very carefully removed every scrap of evidence.

c) Members of the IRA were at the pub and were witnesses. None of them have given any assistance to the police to allow the killer to be brought to justice.

d) These witnesses have clearly passed the information onto the PIRA leadership, since PIRA stated that they knew who the killer was.

e) PIRA offered to shoot the killer as revenge, but refused to pass any information onto the police to allow the killer to be brought to justice through the legal system.

Please let me know if any of those points are incorrect. FYI, all I have ever seen reported in the media was that PIRA covered up to prevent the killer being brought to justice. That's called "accessory to murder", and means that you're as responsible for the death as the murderer is.

And then tell me why the McCartney sisters, and the media, think PIRA are a bunch of bastards who can't think of any solution except killing people, and will go to any lengths to avoid legitimate solutions to the problem. Their reaction to the McCartney killing certainly looks that way, doesn't it? Credit to them, they've put the gun away now. But I guess it takes time for people to move on, and the rest of the world (in particular Eire) has moved on without them.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 19 Sep 05 - 02:27 AM

What we *can* say with 100% accuracy (as far as I know)

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Sep 05 - 02:57 AM

Most of Grab's "facts" are backed by IRA statements.
Which do you not accept?

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney
Date: 19 Sep 05 - 03:45 AM

Await the trail of those found guilty.

Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Sep 05 - 03:59 AM

The full story will not emerge from any trial unless IRA encourage witnesses to come forward.
What will be their attitude to that now?