BS: American Presidential race 2024

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Jul 24 - 03:18 PM

NPR has done their own poll which shows Biden has slipped very little since against TRMP since the debate. Partly because the American common people are not asdumbasallthat and there are many official Democrats who are cowards, which Biden is not.

There is a real risk in that though the poll MAY be accurate, it does not address the issue of the flippable states. And I don't think we can change the Constitution to eliminate the Electoral College in time for the upcoming election. I'll just spend some time finding a way to blame our system on the Victorians.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 13 Jul 24 - 04:47 PM

People who worked with Donald Trump on the man who wants to be president again

Some differing viewpoints on Trump:

Anthony Scaramucci
Miles Taylor [I like his one-liner - "'He's just a f***ing idiot,' he says."]
John Bolton
Gordon Sondland [supports Trump]
Chad Wolf [supports Trump]
Peter Strzok

Peter Strzok "was a senior official in the FBI's Counterintelligence Division who led the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election won by Trump. He was forced to resign when private texts that denigrated Trump were made public."

He refers to Project 2025:

"Should he win back the presidency, Trump has vowed to pursue 'retribution' for himself and the Americans who feel they've been left behind by wokeism and liberal politics.

"But the plan for his second coming isn't all talk; he's supported by a coalition of conservative groups with a plan for power known as Project 2025, and has made dismantling institutions in Washington that he feels have wronged him, such as the Department of Justice, a top priority.

"That sends a chill up the spine of Peter Strzok."

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 13 Jul 24 - 07:47 PM

Donald Trump rushed off stage, audience member dead after shots fired at rally in Pennsylvania

"Donald Trump has been rushed off stage with blood on his face and at least two people, including a suspected gunman, have been killed at a political rally in the United States."

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Jul 24 - 08:50 PM

And so the Presidential Campaign shifts into a new gear.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jul 24 - 09:05 PM

I keep the news off much of the day lately, it's too depressing. This was a surprise, to learn of what happened at this rally.

This is not how American elections are decided. "It's sick," says Biden in remarks.

The last thing we need is Trump turned into a martyr. (Now I'll put money on just how fast Trump manages to blame Biden for this assault.)

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 13 Jul 24 - 11:17 PM

There are so many ways this could play out now. Trump being seen as a martyr is one of those ways with the worst consequences, I think. It could turn some of the swinging voters' choices towards him.

Being in the line of fire at an open air rally might discourage his supporters from attending, but might not change their voting choices. Or, Trump might be too scared to stand out in the open again and be a potential target for the next possible attempt.

One thing I would like to see is that his supporters might suddenly have a revelation regarding the Capitol riot. It's more up close and personal now that they themselves have been in the firing line.

Democrats can use the opportunity to show how much more humane they are towards Trump than Trump is towards them. Democrats can decry the use of violence for political reasons. President Biden has already contacted Trump to check on his welfare and we know Trump would not have done that if the tables were turned. He would have used the incident as political ammunition to attack Biden.

Wait and see what happens. That's all we can do.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 03:01 AM

Trump’s supporters are already blaming Biden for ‘inciting’ this assassination attempt, according to BBC News. They are reporting a very dark change in American politics.

The only thing that surprises me about this incident is that it seems to have come as a surprise. I’ve been expecting it ever since Trump announced his intention to run for 47. He speaks the language of a violent man, and violence begets violence.

I’m of the mind that this is very likely a blessing in disguise for the Republicans’ campaign, that it may well encourage a ‘sympathy-vote’ from those currently undecided, and I’m even more convinced now that Trump will be elected in November. I’m praying that I’m wrong but…

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0359j43d78o

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 03:41 AM

Sadly, given Trump's track record, the first thing that sprang to my mind was that it was orchestrated.

I fear you are right though BWM :-(

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 04:05 AM

Here’s The i’s take on the Trump assassination attempt.

The i is my preferred choice of newspaper due to its non-affiliation to any political party.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 04:34 AM

orchestrated
even if not the GOP will play that card. But there are other potential "orchestrators" ............ how paranoiac should we be?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 07:33 AM

We're screwed.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 08:48 AM

No one can **orchestrate** something like that! One idiot decides to be a hero and immediately there are conspiracy theories abounding.... some serious and some just to stir the pot.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: meself
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 10:30 AM

Yup - let the Conspiracy Theory Olympics begin!

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 10:32 AM

"Orchestrated" would have been a single shot, wide by a couple of feet or so, that hit some stage equipment. A spray of bullets that hits the intended target in the ear and goes on to kill and injure others, was a serious attempt at assassination.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 11:38 AM

I know all that Bill and Doug and I abhor these stupid conspiracy theories. The sad thing is that with Trump, nothing surprises us any more. Just you watch what mileage he will get out of his maga minions selling the story that it was a deep state plot by Biden

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 02:57 PM

"minions"
Despicable He ??

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 03:49 PM

It'll be interesting to get TRMP in the interview room and ask him about his left ear and the Second Amendment:

There is a lyric going through my tiny mind from Dan Bern:

"Commandment 3 says do not kill
Amendment 2 says blood will spill
God sits in his rocking chair
Two flat tires and one good spare"

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 04:08 PM

This is an article by[ABC Oz's] global affairs editor John Lyons. In my opinion, he is always worth following because he is highly knowledgeable and analytical.

The Trump assassination attempt drives a line through the fabric of US democracy — fabric which was already frayed

"A bitterly divided United States has just become dangerously divided.

"This is a time for anyone with influence in the US to exercise their power to calm a shaken nation — rather than to stoke divisions and fears.

"The assassination attempt on Donald Trump has driven a new and extremely disturbing fault line straight through the fabric of American democracy — a fabric which was already fraying.

"The fragility of American stability and democracy is demonstrated by contemplating that had the shooter in Pennsylvania succeeded in killing Trump, would it have unleashed civil unrest in the US?

"Had one bullet been a few centimetres closer to Trump's brain — rather than grazed his ear — it could have changed US history and may have sent the US into a spiral of chaos and possibly violence in the streets."

"Stress on an already strained democracy

"American democracy and good governance was already under pressure.

"Joe Biden — a frail, incumbent president who struggles to get through a one hour news conference without misspeaking the name of a world leader or his own vice president — was fighting in the polls beside Trump, a convicted felon who has promised the powerful gun lobby, the National Rifle Association, that should he win in November he will not curtail the easy access Americans have to guns. This is surely an uncomfortable irony, given Trump was almost killed by a gun."

....

"Shortly after the shooting presidential historian Tim Naftali said the US was now in "a fragile moment" and that this was a time for careful words by opinion makers and influencers.

"He told CNN this was a time for those who shaped opinion to "dial down" rhetoric and not a time for "poison and hatred".

"'This is a time to stop hating each other', he said.

"And those whose views fit the extremes of US politics need to realise that this is deadly serious. Trump may have escaped the attempt on his life but bullets can kill, and did take the life of one man who attended the rally in Pennsylvania. The shooter was also killed.

"And in a country awash with guns, words can foment hatred, encouraging unhinged people to take to violence."

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Charmion
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 05:22 PM

Sow thee wind, reap the whirlwind.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 06:07 PM

Helen, I thought Mr. Biden's remarks about "Donald" were heart-felt and fitting. I saw as much of his presser as CNN would broadcast, and the incumbent seemed not to stumble to respond to the media's questions at all.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 06:19 PM

Charmion's brother Andrew, I'm hoping that this shows President Biden in his true light, and that the people trying to push him aside will let him get on with the job and hopefully succeed.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jul 24 - 10:22 PM

"Joe Biden — a frail, incumbent president who struggles to get through a one hour news conference without misspeaking the name of a world leader or his own vice president — was fighting in the polls beside Trump, a convicted felon . . ."

That isn't accurate about Biden; he did just fine at the press conference, no more than the usual slips that have been in his public speaking over the past 50 years or so.

We don't know what would have happened if the shooter had succeeded, but while the suggestion that US democracy is under pressure is reasonable, the general characterisation of that piece is a dystopian rant.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 15 Jul 24 - 01:45 AM

Stilly, I didn't agree with that particular sentence in the article. I think he was representing the opposing views of both Biden and Trump, but not necessarily his own personal views.

I have watched and read many of John Lyons' segments and he seems to have a military mind when it comes to analysing strategy. I think he was analysing political strategy in that article so maybe if you re-read it from that viewpoint it might be a little less confronting. Perhaps.

I didn't post all of the article here and I wasn't trying to upset anyone. Sorry if I did. :-(

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 Jul 24 - 08:17 AM

The trouble with failed assassination attempts is that they elevate evil stains on the fabric of humanity to hero status. I would not be surprised if that despicable gobs**te will exploit this for every vote it can get. US news should be reminding voters every day how trump incited a revolt that led to the deaths of Brian Sicknick, Kyle DeFreytag, Howard Liebengood, Gunther Hashida, not to mention those who suffered life changing injuries. If that is the kind of lowlife US wants to elect as its president then it will surely be effectively handing in its resignation as being considered a civilised country.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jul 24 - 11:55 AM

That article read like word salad, so it didn't get a deep reading from me.

Agreed, SPB-Cooperator. We need to continue to highlight Trump's bad acts—indeed, what's past is prologue.

Heather Cox Richardson's post from July 14 reminds us of all sorts of GOP threats of violence against the American public (and Trump's threats against individuals - to rough up people, etc.)

Edward Luce of the Financial Times noted, “Almost any criticism of Trump is already being spun by Maga as an incitement to assassinate him. This is an Orwellian attempt to silence what remains of the effort to stop him from regaining power.” Indeed, MAGA Republicans appear to be trying to stop discussion of their extremist plans— which are enormously unpopular— by claiming that such a discussion is polarizing.

The idea that Democratic opposition to authoritarian plans like those outlined in Project 2025 caused violence might convince MAGA Republicans, but it will likely be a hard sell for Americans who remember things like:

•Trump’s own suggestion in 2016 that “Second Amendment people” could solve the problem of Hillary Clinton picking judges; or his 2020 attacks on Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer, who became the target of a kidnapping plot; or election workers bombarded with death threats as Trump lied that the 2020 election was stolen;

etc.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 24 - 01:20 PM

Anyone still think he has no chance of winning?

Heaven help us all...

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jul 24 - 01:24 PM

It is exactly the same as before.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 24 - 02:03 PM

It doesn't look that way to us outside the US Stilly but if you still think he has no chance, thanks for that glimmer of hope anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 15 Jul 24 - 03:41 PM

Slip-ups like Joe Biden's misnaming of Trump and Harris are common, and usually caused by lack of sleep or stress, experts say

"In short: US President Joe Biden has been criticised after accidentally referring to his vice-president, Kamala Harris, as 'vice-president Trump'.

"Neuroscientists say it is very common to accidentally misname someone or something.

"The brain groups names which are related or sound similar and can draw on the wrong one under stress or when lacking sleep."

....

"Could misnaming be an early sign of cognitive decline?

"Neuroscientist Damian Holsinger from the University of Sydney specialises in Alzheimer's disease and said it would be unfair to assume Mr Biden is in a state of cognitive decline based only on naming slip-ups.

"'There is no correlation,' he said.

"'This is probably aged-related memory decline, not dementia.'"

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jul 24 - 04:55 PM

Everyone does that misnaming - how often did you call out the names of each child and possibly the dog before you got to the name you meant to call?

Trump has selected a running mate that will require the least amount of design change in their campaign banners: remove "Pence" add "Va".

This week will be a flurry of information about Trump and the GOP. The Democratic party usually lays low and lets it happen. There are lots of early clips of Vance talking about how awful Trump is (back in the 2016 election era) that will make the rounds.

Next week the hard work starts. Getting people registered and motivated to go vote. I live in a deeply Republican state, but in urban areas, the GOP doesn't have quite as much clout. Biden got the most votes in my county, which was a few years ago named the most Republican county in the country.

If you can't say anything helpful, consider sitting on your hands. Borrowing trouble does no one any good.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Helen
Date: 15 Jul 24 - 10:46 PM

That article is saying the misnaming is not a sign of cognitive decline, so basically Biden is still capable until proven otherwise. The article was a finding in Biden's favour and a justification for not jumping to conclusions about his cognitive state based on something we all do.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Neil D
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 04:24 AM

The dude who tried to pot Trump is a registered Republican. Isn't it time we addressed this Republican on Republican violence?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 04:33 AM

Any comments on Vance? Some of his comments look like he is worse than Trump but what do us Brits know..?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 05:21 AM

Getting acquainted with Mr. Vance (quote):
------`
Mr. Trump is unfit for our nation’s highest office.
I can’t stomach Trump.
I think that he’s noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.”
I think there’s a chance, if I feel like Trump has a really good chance of winning, that I might have to hold my nose and vote for Hillary Clinton.”
was a “moral
“total fraud”
serial sexual assault,”
one of USA’s most hated, villainous, douchey celebs,”
Vance deleted past anti-Trump tweets ahead of his announcement in July 2021 that he would run for the open Ohio Senate seat.

But that was then, just another MAGGY checking to see how the wind blows. This is now.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Rain Dog
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 06:28 AM

I was just about to make a similar post Ebbie. For those of us in the UK it certainly puts in to perspective Starmer's change of view on Corbyn.(Or maybe that should be Starmer's change of publicly declared view.)

Last night on the BBC TV programme Newsnight, one of the guests made a comment along the lines of 'division is America's default position'. That prompted me to do some searching and i found the following from The Conversation July 2016

Can America’s deep political divide be traced back to 1832?

This quote could have been made yesterday;

“We hold it a principle,” the Jacksonian newspaper the Albany Argus declared on February 17, 1824, “that every man should sacrifice his own private opinions and feelings to the good of his party and the man who will not do it is unworthy to be supported by a party, for any post of honor or profit.”

So Vance has changed his mind or has he? Perhaps he has just decided to ride this particular tiger in order to further his career.

PS

i made a post yesterday to the BS: BBC Radio 4 programming thread about a BBC Radio programme about the Principal Recovery Network.
The presenter is a British woman who moved with her family to Arizona.
At one point she asked why the PRN did not campaign for gun control. The person replied that if they did, it would cut them off from half of the people they want to help. Those people might well dismiss them as a liberal front organisation.

I found that comment very sad.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 08:20 AM

Trump has not changed at all

Is that any help?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 08:44 AM

Vance's reaction to Tr*mp is reminding me of one wise chap's memorable summary of Machiavelli's The Prince:

An effective ruler should be either loved or feared. Fear has it every time: you get your weekends free.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 11:39 AM

Prior to joining the US Senate two years ago Vance had no political experience. Prior to election he was known as an author.

Obama had a brief time in the Senate, but he had served in state legislature and a lot of political action community organizing positions, along with teaching law. If people start to compare Vance with Obama, make the point that Obama has always been politically active and engaged.

I'm reading Jen Psaki's book Say More: Lessons from Work, the White House, and the World. Chapter 10 opens with

REPORTER: A lot of Americans are saying that, you know, the surges are happening under President Biden's watch after he reversed some previous policy. So does the administration take any accountability for what's happening?

ME: Who are the Americans?

REPORTER: Well, I know you don't want to answer to him, but the former president just released a statement saying that "the Biden administration must act immediately to end the border nightmare that they have unleashed onto our nation."

ME: Former president Trump?

REPORTER: Yes.

ME: We don't take our advice or counsel from former president Trump on immigration policy, which was not only inhumane but ineffective over the last four years. We're going to chart our own path forward, and that includes treating children with humanity and respect, and ensuring they're safe when they cross our borders.

From there, she notes (the reason for that quote):

One of Donald Trump's favorite media strategies is to refer to non-specified "people" who just happen to be "saying" exactly the same thing he's been saying. If you don't hear the sarcasm in there about how I feel about this tactic, read again.
Part of the issue is of course that Trump has a relationship with the truth that is generously described as tenuous. He loves to quote straw men, nameless groups of made-up "people," because he knows those arguments can be effective. . .

The thing with any attribution made by Trump or his mouthpieces is to ask WHO they are speaking about. Ask for sources. Mostly it will be whole cloth, out of Trump's imagination. His only source is himself, and his lack of interest in studying any issue deeply needs to be highlighted.

This is a tip for man-on-the-street conversations, but also a reminder that when you cite articles you've read, keep track of where your sources are, so you can show your work, as it were, in one of those conversations if need be.

Ashley Judd recently posted a video of a family conversation with her step-father; they are politically polar opposites, but are determined that the politics won't get in the way of their family love. Having conversations with friends who support the other guy - keep it civil, and know your sources. I have neighbors on each side of me who support Trump, but we have managed to stay friends. Partly by not discussing politics, or by sticking to the issues that we agree on. By keeping it civil I have a better chance of changing their minds. :)

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Rain Dog
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 11:39 AM

The ignorance is appalling.

From The Guardian

"Vance was speaking at the National Conservatism conference last week, where he said: “I have to beat up on the UK – just one additional thing. I was talking with a friend recently and we were talking about, you know, one of the big dangers in the world, of course, is nuclear proliferation, though, of course, the Biden administration doesn’t care about it."

“And I was talking about, you know, what is the first truly Islamist country that will get a nuclear weapon, and we were like, maybe it’s Iran, you know, maybe Pakistan already kind of counts, and then we sort of finally decided maybe it’s actually the UK, since Labour just took over.”

And

"England has been one of the few exceptions where it has fielded a very capable military over the last generation.”

Lammy needs to find some new friends.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 01:30 PM

I think the next Islamic country to have the bomb will be Britain.

But seriously,

The election is still uncertain. There's no lock. We've got an incompetent liar for Republican Vice President now, in addition to the incompetent liar (but lucky reflexes) we've got top of that ticket. I'll take Kamala over either or both. And Joe is a hero to me. We all know he's too old, but we need his sanity (and Supreme Court picks).

Gotta say it clear: I was very concerned that we get through Obama's two terms without an attempt on his life. I already knew that Trump was even more hated than Obama and was glad we got through with him in good shape. This latest occurrence is mainly disturbing because it appears the shooter was allowed to get on a high view site he should not have. It should have been covered. Anyhow, I have no love for TRMP. But no hatred, either. We survived him once, it could happen again.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jul 24 - 04:32 PM

The MSNBC talking heads today have been discussing the Project 2025 Heritage Foundation plan for the future and its relation to J.D. Vance - he is apparently their hand-picked candidate and Trump accepted him.

Meanwhile, the Washington Post has revealed that Vance's wife is an attorney who clerked for both John Roberts (chief justice) and Brett Kavanaugh of the supreme court (when she worked for Kavanaugh he was in the U.S. Court of Appeals in D.C.) Usha Vance, wife of Trump’s VP pick J.D. Vance, is a lawyer and Yale graduate. She was a Democrat back in 2014, but is now registered Republican and is quiet about politics. Sounds like she's in a difficult position politically.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Jul 24 - 02:02 AM

Another question about US politics.

"She was a Democrat back in 2014, but is now registered Republican"

I am guessing that this refers to those states (31 according to wiki) that allow people to mark their party affiliation, or their unaffiliated status, on their voter registration form? It is not an indication that they are a member of the Republican or Democrat parties?

Are the voter registration lists available to the general public to peruse?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jul 24 - 11:12 AM

I don't know that voter registration lists are available to the public, but there are certainly lots of organizations who try to challenge them (hoping to knock out voters who will have a harder time renewing their registrations and who may have voted against the party the organization represents.) Nasty business.

You can see who people donate to, assuming normal donations, because you have to give some background (are you employed, where, what party are you registered in, and in that instance it may show when you last voted.) PACs and huge money donors live in an entirely different world.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 24 - 01:06 PM

I see that Obama has now weighed in against Biden. How does this affect things and who will step in if he does stand down?

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 18 Jul 24 - 01:37 PM

Apart from any debate as to whether Biden show evidence of Alzheimer's or not, there has also been a lot of of discussion as to whether he might have Parkinson's Disease. His own Dr and neurologist deny this, though it has been questioned by a number of other eminent neurologists.
(Just Google Biden + Parkinson's and you'll find plenty of reports).
It is also the impressions that I (retired medic)get: you don't necessarily have to have the tremor as part of Parkinson's Disease: in some people it manifests more as the mask-like facies, paucity/rigidity of movement, quiet voice, proneness to trips and falls. If he should stay on and get re-elected, it's doubtful how well he would manage another 4 years if he does indeed have it.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jul 24 - 01:41 PM

Oddly enough in an interview I just heard he did say that one of the factors that may cause him to stand down would be the diagnosis of a serious medical condition.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jul 24 - 02:56 PM

Biden was diagnosed with COVID yesterday and has already started Paxlovid. He is isolating at the family home in Delaware.

We are hearing of remarks shared from Obama, and that seems to be the one person that will carry the most weight.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jul 24 - 09:55 AM

He will be replaced according to the book makers

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jul 24 - 06:20 PM

He will not "be replaced." He will choose to continue to run or to step down, no one is doing any replacing.

Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 Jul 24 - 10:50 PM

To understand some of the background in this whole "the rich donors want to change the candidate" debate, list to AOC - Alexdria Ocasio-Cortez. She gave a lot of background in an Instagram talk that you may find helpful. https://www.instagram.com/p/C9l41vgOAGj/.

The thing is, if any of the party machinations should become issues that go to court, there is a potential that the Trump Supreme Court could get a chance to weigh in and trash the party. Stick with the one that brung you, and move forward. Biden has the electoral votes. Changing any of this now risks court cases and if you think it's ugly now, just wait consider what would happen (and all of the Trump and Putin interference included) to the party right before the election.

Leave well-enough alone and move forward. That's the only sure way to keep Trump out of office.