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Tune Req: Catalina (from Blazin' Fiddles)
In Mudcat MIDIs:
Brioc [brioc & Helen]
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Subject: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: GUEST,brioc Date: 24 Apr 03 - 01:54 PM Hi there, who can help on this one! I have a tune. It is a very nice waltz. The main instrument is Mandolin, the second section is taken over by fiddle and then whistle. Someone said it could be off a CD from Paddy Reilly. SAid something else about Traditional Air / Campbell!! Look forward to hearing ( reading ) your suggestions. I can't sing it for you in type................. brioc |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 24 Apr 03 - 08:45 PM Hi Brioc, and welcome to Mudcat. Can you give us more information? Do you know how to do an ABC version of the tune, or can you do a midi file, or point to a file of it on the web somewhere, or can you give us a copy of the sheet music either scanned in as a graphics file, or typed in to a music notation software programme such as Noteworthy - a programme available as a free demo download? As a last resort, could you telephone someone here and sing it to them over the phone, or join the Mudcat chat session and sing it? You'd have to become a Mudcat member to do the last one, but membership is free, no strings attached, and the people here are not only very helpful, but one of the friendliest bunches of people I have ever met on the Internet. We'll help if we can but there must be thousands, or hundreds of thousands of waltzes in existence, and we need to have some more specific information. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Sorcha Date: 24 Apr 03 - 09:00 PM Ah, that would be the Mudcat PalTalk session Helen. Chat doesn't have sound capability now. But thanks for the suggestions. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 24 Apr 03 - 09:12 PM Thanks Sorcha. I haven't joined any of those sessions for quite a while, and then only a couple of times, so I'm not up to date on the format. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: GUEST,brioc Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:24 AM a bit confused. Because I am a member ( must have elapsed i the meantime!). If I could send in the ABC or midi or whatever, then I wouldn't really be looking for the tune. I have it in my head, but a couple of our band can only get there if they see it in black and white, and while I could write it out in pencil, I hoped I could just print it off the screen!!!!!!!!!!!! brioc |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Sorcha Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:32 AM I have a 'gut feeling' that it might be Margaret's Waltz... Don't know why, but possibly. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Bob Bolton Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:54 AM G'day Sorcha, "... have a 'gut feeling' that it might be Margaret's Waltz ..." which is decidedly English ... ? (Pat Shaw ... EFDSS ... ? - but a great modern tune!). Of course it may be something entirely different .. and Celtic ... and traditional (vide: "Traditional Air / Campbell". Regards, Bob Bolton |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Sorcha Date: 26 Apr 03 - 11:10 AM I know, Bob, but Aly Bain plays it and it is terribly popular. Just an idea. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 26 Apr 03 - 12:03 PM You might on the offchance try The Marino Waltz, which was written by John Sheahan of the Dubliners, with whom Paddy Reilly works. At J C's Tunefinder: Marino Waltz It's "Celtic" in the sense that it was written by an Irishman (so I'd call it "Irish" instead, really) but it's made in the conventional mainland European waltz style. I can't find any reference to Reilly having recorded Margaret's Waltz, but his involvement was presumably only a guess anyway. Meanwhile, trying to answer this sort of question is a bit like trying to pin down a particular person with brown hair who might, or might not, be called John and who lives "in the world somewhere"! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Sorcha Date: 26 Apr 03 - 12:09 PM LOL, Malcolm! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Noreen Date: 26 Apr 03 - 12:51 PM You could listen to all the waltzes listed at JC's tunefinder, 100 at a time... Otherwise I think you'll have to ask your 'someone', brioc, for more information. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Sorcha Date: 26 Apr 03 - 04:33 PM Come back brioc! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: GUEST,GUEST, Stew Date: 26 Apr 03 - 04:40 PM How about "Seamus O'Brien" |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Strupag Date: 26 Apr 03 - 05:40 PM Try Blair Douglas's "Kate Martin's Waltz" |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 26 Apr 03 - 06:31 PM brioc, The problem is that with the limited information you have given us it is really hard to identify the tune. You could go to an online CD store and search for Paddy Reilly's albums and listen to the sound samples of anything which could be a waltz. Most of the online stores have sound samples, e.g. CD Now or CD Universe. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Sorcha Date: 26 Apr 03 - 06:41 PM brioc should call somebody (or several somebodies) and 'dum ditty' the tune into the phone......... |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 26 Apr 03 - 08:25 PM Yes, Sorcha, that is looking like the best option so far. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 26 Apr 03 - 09:19 PM List of albums and songs recorded by Paddy Reilly, according to this website. http://www.geocities.com/toeye/dubliners/solo.htm Dubliners solo albums The Life of Paddy Reilly (Dolphin 1971) 1. The Coming of the Road 2. Come to the Bower 3. James Connolly 4. Spancil Hill 5. Sam Hall 6. James Larkin 7. Deportees 8. Dollymount Strand 9. The Lark in the Morning 10. Irish Soldier Boy 11. Matt Hyland 12. Orange & the Green At Home (Dolphin 1971) 1. Come Out Ye Black & Tans 2. Four Green Fields 3. Silver in the Stubble 4. Peggy Gordon 5. The Foggy Dew 6. Kelly the Boy from Killane 7. Joe Hill 8. A Nation Once Again 9. Blackwaterside 10. The Limerick Rake 11. Anach Cuin 12. Salford Town The Town I loved so well (Dolphin 1975) 1. The Flower of Sweet Strabane 2. The Cliffs of Doonen 3. The Hills of Kerry 4. The Galway Races 5. Rathcliff Highway 6. Come up the Stairs 7. The Town I Loved So Well 8. Arthur Mc Bride 9. Autumn Has Come 10. I Once Loved a Lass 11. Bold Tenant Farmer 12. Sweet Carnlough Bay 13. There Has to be an End to It Someday 14. The Moving Along Song Fields of Athenry (Dolphin 1983) 1. Fields of Athenry 2. Farewell to Nova Scotia 3. The Galtee Mountain Boy 4. Farewell to the Rhonda 5. John O' Dreams 6. Scorn Not His Simplicity 7. The Crack was 90 in the Isle of Man 8. Dancing at Whitsun 9. Mulligan & Me 10. Jim Larkin 11. Bunch of Thyme Come back Paddy Reilly (Rathcoole Records 1984) 1. My Lovely Rose of Clare 2. Wind in the Willows 3. Sunshine of Your Smile 4. Hills of Greymore 5. Snowy Breasted Pearl 6. Rose of Allendale 7. Come Back Paddy Reilly 8. Down by the Sally Gardens 9. Raglan Road 10. O'Connell's Steam Engine 11. Mary from Dungloe 12. The Old Rustic Bridge The old Refrain (Dolphin 1984) 1. Beautiful Dreamer 2. Champions at Keeping Them Rolling 3. The Galway Races 4. This Town Is Not Their Own 5. Paddy's Green Shamrock Shore 6. Farewell to Dublin 7. Only Her Rivers Run Free 8. Derroll in the Rain 9. The Old Man's Song 10. Bunclody Paddy Reilly Now (Lunar Rec JBLP 007 1988) 1. Flight of Earls 2. Black Velvet Band 3. Pat Murphy's Meadow 4. Little Grey Home in the West 5. After All These Years 6. McAlpine's Fusiliers 7. Song for Ireland 8. Star of the County Down 9. Grace 10. The Green Island 11. There Were Roses Sings the Songs of Ewan MacColl (Harmac HM 65 1990) Produced by Eamonn Campbell 1. The Shoals of Herring 2. Dirty Old Town 3. Hot Asphalt 4. The Lags' Song 5. School Days End 6. Go Down you Murderers 7. Free Born Man 8. Come me little Son 9. The First Time ever I saw your Face 10. I'm a Rambler 11. The Ballad of Springhill 12. Thirty Foot Trailer 13. Moving on Song 14. I'm a Champion at keeping 'em rolling 15. Sweet Thames, flow softly Gold and Silver Days (RTE RTE-144 1991) Produced by Eamonn Campbell 1. Dirty Old Town 2. Rose of Mooncoin 3. Festival of Galway 4. Leaving Nancy 5. Scorn Not His Simplicity 6. Safe in the Harbor 7. The Emigrant's Letter 8. Slievenamon 9. Song for Ireland 10. The Wild Rover 11. Kilty 12. The Gartan Mother's Lullaby 13. Flight of Earls 14. Working Man 15. The Dublin Minstrel 16. Neidin 17. Rare Ould Times 18. Heaven Around Galway Bay 19. Dublin, My Dublin 20. Isle of Inisfree There are two options now offered to you. Find an online CD store and listen to the tracks of Paddy Reilly or phone a Mudcatter and sing the tune over the phone (or do it in PalTalk). If your Mudcat cookie has expired then you can reset it by going to the Login page using the Quick Links box on the top right of this page. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: GUEST,Jon Date: 26 Apr 03 - 09:55 PM Although I can see Malcolm's logic in suggesting the Marino Waltz (a tune I like very much BTW as well as John Sheahan's own playing of it, but I would agree does not sound/ feel like it could be "Celtic"), I would suspect Paddy Reilly is a bit of a red-herring. He is really a ballad singer. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 26 Apr 03 - 10:24 PM My feeling too. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: GUEST,Jon Date: 27 Apr 03 - 12:29 AM Just had another thought though... Paddy Reilly has been with the Dubliners and so has Eamon Campbell... Maybe it is a Dubliners recording. Jon |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 27 Apr 03 - 01:14 AM The site I gave a blue clicky for had solo recordings listed for other Dubliners as well. Marino Waltz was listed on there under John Sheahan and Michael Howard. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: brioc Date: 27 Apr 03 - 09:21 AM aren't ye great altogether!! Knowing the Marino Waltz as I do , it is not that. and it is not Margarets Waltz ( sorry sorcha's gut!). Looking for a needle in a haystack..........lets try this!!!! you all know the do re me scale?? ok: the waltz is in the key of D and goes like this: ( first note "do" being D too ) do do do re mefaso-o me do do' tee la-a sofa mefaso sofame fa re- so-o lasome fa me re do do' sola do' la so-o f#solaso me fa re do do. that's the first part. So tune in and try to sing it!!!!!!! brioc |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: GUEST,Jon Date: 27 Apr 03 - 09:49 AM Well the most I could try to do with that is turn it in to a midi to play to see if I recognise it and perhaps make it easier for others to see if they can identify it but I'm stuck with your indication of note length. I tried starting with the first "do" as the first quarter note in a 3/4 bar. I assumed where you put 2 notes together with no space to be 1/8th notes and where you have hyphenated a note (e.g.so-o) that we have a 1/2 note. That goes wrong in what I make out to be the 5th bar (sofa mefaso). Maybe others can work the system out (or know it) or perhaps manage to recognise the tune without knowing the timing (I can rarely do that even with tunes I know) but I would need bar lines indicated and some brief explaination of your system to help. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Noreen Date: 27 Apr 03 - 10:02 AM I've made the same assumptions as Jon, and put the above into Noteworthy, but it sounds nothing like a tune I've ever heard, not even 'celtic' (aargh). hmmmm |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Noreen Date: 27 Apr 03 - 10:07 AM Another assumption I've made is that do' means high d and that do is low d. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 27 Apr 03 - 06:16 PM Well, I have made a Midi based on a couple of assumptions and e-mailed it to Joe to put on the Midi page so that brioc can listen to it and provide corrections. My assumptions, which could be totally wrong, were: Any group like "mefaso-o" or "lasome" I made into 1/8 notes, and the do' I assumed to be a 1/2 note. Taking the first 3 notes as full notes I put the first bar line after that and it seems to work out after that for placement of bar lines. Having said that, unfortunately I don't recognise the tune either, but that doesn't mean anything much and someone else here possibly will. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 29 Apr 03 - 10:45 PM I e-mailed the midi I did to Joe a couple of days ago but as far as I know it isn't up yet on the Midi page. Brioc, you can PM me if you like and I'll e-mail my Midi file to you so that you can listen to it and tellme what changes I need to make, i.e. whether it sounds anything at all like the tune you know. Could you also tell us where the bar lines fall in your do-re-mi version, and tell us whether any or all of us have made the right assumptions about note lengths. Thanks, Helen Click to play |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: brioc Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:16 PM thanks for the message Helen, right!! Do is normal D, do' is high D!!! you knock me sideways with the timing bit! I am not great at working that out.BUT I GOT SOME MORE INFO!! It is on PaddyReilly's "Wild Rover" album. more written re tune on CD is : Fair Deal Squirrel, Brook Music, Anton Davila !!!!!!! How do I listen to the midi? Brigid |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Apr 03 - 11:18 PM I finally got the tune posted. Sorry for the delay. Mudcat was down when Helen sent me the MIDI, and then I forgot. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 01 May 03 - 01:41 AM Thanks for doing that, Joe. Now that the midi tune is posted, I now know that I have made one wrong assumption. Brigid/Brioc said that the do' means a higher octave note, and I have put it in as a longer note. Therefore, my Midi is obsolete already, sob, sob!! But, it is still a starting point and I hope that Brigid will listen to it and tell me what is right or wrong with it so that we can keep working on this puzzle. I tried searching for the extra info which Brigid gave us about the song being "on Paddy Reilly's "Wild Rover" album. more written re tune on CD is : Fair Deal Squirrel, Brook Music, Anton Davila". I couldn't find either an album called Wild Rover, and I'm not sure whether the title of the tune is Fair Deal Squirrel, or some part of that. Someone else who knows more about Paddy Reilly's music might be in a better position to help out. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 01 May 03 - 01:55 AM Here is the link to the Midi filed under "brioc" http://www.mudcat.org/midi/midifiles/brioc.mid Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: GUEST,Jon Date: 01 May 03 - 05:55 AM Thanks, It's not a tune I've ever heard. I don't know if it's just me but it's not sounding like a waltz to me. I tried the same type of searches as Helen, again with no success. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Sorcha Date: 01 May 03 - 08:51 AM Parts of it bear a strong resemblace to On the Bridge at Avingon.....but that's not it. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Zhenya Date: 01 May 03 - 03:29 PM Try this for a long shot: There is a tune/song called "Come back Paddy Reilly" that has a waltz tempo. Perhaps that's it? Here's a link, with music: Come Back Paddy Reilly |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 02 May 03 - 12:46 AM Brigid/brioc, Can you clarify, if possible, what is the tune called? The info you gave from the CD is a bit confusing. I'm not sure if the song is called Fair Deal, or Fair Deal Squirrel. Also, could you listen to the midi file and tell us if it is anything like the tune you have heard. We need some more info from you before we can get anywhere with this quest. Thanks Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: brioc Date: 25 May 03 - 05:55 AM hi all, I have been listening to the midi. I have to improve my do re me !!! not that. Certainly not Come Back Paddy Reilly. How could I type in the tune to ye? If any of you can tell me how, then I will try with pleasure. Brioc |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 25 May 03 - 07:01 AM brioc It's better if you don't start a new thread on the same topic, so we'll continue the discussion here. The "Fair Deal Squirrel" was a quote from what you said in one of your postings above and I asked you to explain the information you found out. It would still help if you could clarify that info. You said: "It is on Paddy Reilly's "Wild Rover" album. more written re tune on CD is : Fair Deal Squirrel, Brook Music, Anton Davila" and I was asking if that is the name of the tune. I did a search for Anton Davila and found out that he is an Uillean piper from Galicia(?)in Spain. I could not find a Paddy Reilly album called "Wild Rover". I need to know 3 things from you. Please supply this information. 1. Please look at your do-re-mi notation and try to put in where the bars are. If you don't know about written music (and I am assuming that you don't from what you have said so far) then the trick is to listen to the 1-2-3 beat of the waltz and put a bar line, i.e. one of these | before the 1 beat, so for example the beats and bars would be |1 2 3|1 2 3|1 2 3|1 2 3| It's a bit of a trick to hear this if you haven't listened for it before, but once you get the hang of it you don't lose it. If you were playing a drum along with the music, and if it is in fact in waltz time, then there should be a distinct 1-2-3 rhythm. do do do re mefaso-o me do do' tee la-a sofa mefaso sofame fa re- so-o lasome fa me re do do' sola do' la so-o f#solaso me fa re do do. The first bar might have 3 full beats and look like this: | do do do| or there may actually be a partial bar at the beginning and it could look like this: do | do do re| 2. Also, are the grouped notes shorter/quicker notes e.g. mefaso-o? If you don't give us more information on your do-re-mi version then a huge number of possible tunes could be interpreted from your notation. 3. Which country and area do you live in. Really, truly, I think that your best idea is to find out where a Mudcatter lives close to you and send them a Personal Message, and phone them up and sing it to them over the phone. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: brioc Date: 26 May 03 - 12:17 PM the newest info. Scrap the Paddy Reilly bit ( strange wrong info). There is CD set. "Absolute Celtic 1 - 4". Could have been produced in France.Not sure. The tune I want is on CD nr.3, and it is track 14. Please don't ask me to do that with the do re me! If you take [do] as one beat, then [re-e] is two beats, [mefa] is two semiquavers usw. do' is high do. do bein D. I live in Switzerland. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Bardford Date: 26 May 03 - 02:44 PM Here is a link to the CD : Absolute Celtic . There is a track list of sorts, but it doesn't seem to be arranged by CD number. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Bardford Date: 26 May 03 - 02:48 PM This link, however has a more refind track list: Celtic at Amazon. Fra . Looks like Paddy Reilly is back in the running. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Bardford Date: 26 May 03 - 02:49 PM Sorry, here's a clicky" Celtic at Amazon. Fra |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Bardford Date: 26 May 03 - 03:27 PM Hmmm. the blicky maker doesn't seem to cooperate with long URL names. Here is the track list from disc 3 of the collection 'Absolute Celtic" : Disque : 3 1. Suite Sudarmoricaine(Alan Stivell) 2. Andy De Jarlis(Altan) 3. Mairead Nan Cuiread(Tannas) 4. Transisto(Berroghetto) 5. Seacht(Iarla D'lionard) 6. Noite De Lua(Cristina Pato) 7. Child Owlet(John Faulkner) 8. That's Right Tool(Johnny Connoly) 9. Farewell To Kennedy(Marcas O'murchu) 10. Bantry's Girl Lament(John Beag) 11. Fandangu Puntiau(Llan De Cubel) 12. The Gallowglass(Paddy Canny) 13. Ailein Duinn(Meav) 14. The Wild Rover(Paddy Reilly) 15. Take Her In Her Arms(Andy M.Stewart;Manus Lunny) 16. Where Are You(Deanta) 17. Jesuimont(Kornog) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: GUEST,Tyghress Date: 26 May 03 - 05:05 PM So the waltz is 'wild rover'??? ooookay. Here I was hoping for some obscure Carolan piece. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 27 May 03 - 02:41 AM If it's "Wild Rover" I guess my own prejudices have gotten in the way of the search, because although it is a good tune, I would never have called it "lovely" (grin). The problem here is that "Wild Rover" is one of those tunes which get played over and over, ad nauseum - mainly, I think, because it *is* a good, rollicking tune, so it gets played because it deserves to be played, because lots of people like it and ask for it. Anyway, now I'll find a midi for it and brioc can listen to it and solve the mystery. If it is "Wild Rover" then finding the dots (music notation) is a piece of cake. I'll be back!! Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 27 May 03 - 02:50 AM Okay, brioc, here is a lilting version of the Wild Rover, rather than a rollicking, drinking song version, like I have always heard. Have a listen to this, and if it is the right one, then I'll send you the music notation in a flash - well, a few flashes. Helen |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 May 03 - 08:22 AM And it's now used as a tune to advertise some sort of butter! Nice harmony singing on the ad but it still sounds odd to me. But then again so do lots of thing...:-) Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: brioc Date: 27 May 03 - 12:47 PM I can put you all at ease. It is NOT Wild Rover!!!!!!!!!!!! Lilty or otherwise. I am gettint just as frustrated! My friend will have to do his sums again, cos obviously he has the wrong numbering somewhere! keep digging? Brioc |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Noreen Date: 27 May 03 - 01:50 PM Wild Rover/Goose Chase? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: A lovely celtic waltz From: Helen Date: 27 May 03 - 06:38 PM brioc, Have you heard the tune on this CD? More importantly, do you have it on a CD? (she says, hopefully) or on tape? Now for the technological questions: if it's on CD, do you have a CD-ROM drive in your computer, or access to one? If yes, then you could copy the track and send it as a file to me or someone else here so that we can listen to it. If it's on tape that's harder, but not impossible. What instrument do you play, or do you sing, or both? Does anyone else in your band play a Midi-capable instrument, i.e. an instrument which can be plugged into a computer/synthesiser set-up so that you can record the tune and send us the file? Do you ever join the Mudcat sessions on PalTalk? Do you have a microphone connected to your computer, or know someone who has it? If you are too far away from other Mudcatters to phone, then PalTalk allows people to talk, sing, or play instruments into the computer. If PalTalk is too daunting, but you have (or have access to) a computer with a microphone (mine came with a headset for use with those speak-&-type software packages, i.e. speak and your word processor types the words) then you could sing it into the microphone and record it with a sound programme. This is so frustrating. I can't afford to phone you from Australia, but I'm getting seriously tempted! On another note, I *am* glad it isn't Wild Rover because I was starting to feel like a complete idiot, looking for something exotic, and ignoring the obvious. It's not a tune added to the end of the Wild Rover track, as part of a medley, is it? Helen |
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