BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 04:41 AM

With regard to kendall's post above:

"I see a hell of a big difference between a young man evading the draft by going to Canada, and, another signing up for the very dangerous job of Texas National Guard, then going A.W.O.L."

Nicely covered Strick - "One abandoned his country and the other served."

kendall - noted that your reference to - "...the very dangerous job of Texas National Guard," - is made very much tongue in cheek. Please take the trouble to have a word with someone who actually knows what is involved with the process of learning to fly supersonic aircraft, then have a word with someone who actually knows what is involved with the process of learning to fight a single seat all-weather interceptor - Both will tell you exactly how dangerous that really is.

A little story, by way of illustration, for you kendall. During my time in Royal Navy, while out in the far east. I was invited to observe Air National Guard Units in the Philipines on work-up prior to being stationed in Vietnam - in the course of five days I watched three of their pilots lose their lives during live firing exercises - still think that serving in the Air National Guard as a fully qualified combat pilot such an easy option kendall? - Damn certain I wouldn't - and don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 09:54 AM

The real question is why there has never been a full and comprehensive investigation of 9/11. Heck, everything else gets investigated. Bill Clinton was investigated for 8 years and millions and millions of dollars were spent and other than his foolong around with "that woman", nothing was found.

Now, we have an invasion of the US by terrorists and we really couldn't care less about finding out just what the hecks went wrong?

Beam me up...

Bobert

p.s. And BTW, T-ster, historians will get this sorted out and your folks ain't gonna sparkle as bright as you have them sparkling in your mind 'cause Matthew said: "Nothing is hidden that one day won't be found..."

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 10:40 AM

"The response to hi-jacking has never been to launch interceptor aircraft, not in the USA, nor anywhere else for that matter."

You as a private citizen with no access to national security information, have no way of knowing this as fact Teribus, so why do you even attempt to state it as such?

The reason why an investigation into what happened on 9/11 is so damn necessary is so we can learn from our mistakes. I think everyone now agrees that with four commercial airliners being hijacked simultaneously, there certainly should have been interceptor aircraft launched. Claims that there wasn't enough time for it to happen really calls the credibility of the US military and it's air.

It doesn't matter what the policies and procedures were prior to 9/11. We need an independent, high level investigation into events surrounding the day, that isn't impeded by the Bush administration's obsession with secrecy. That isn't happening. Why doesn't the media focus on the Bush administrations efforts to impede the investigation, especially when they engage in truly manipulative, cynical, and evil exploitation of those events by doing things like scheduling the Republican National Convention for the 2004 election year in NYC for the express purpose of getting political mileage out of it?

How come none of that sort of despicable behavior bothers you Teribus? Would you say that actions like exploiting 9/11 for purely partisan political gain in such obvious, arrogant ways, is an admirable trait? A trait of a political leader you wish to follow?

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 10:55 AM

Gee...I just posted and it was lost in the void. Thought the 'Guest' post above might be mine, but it's not. I posted a long one too...too long to repeat. Should have copied it...oh well. Get back to you later on this stuff, Teribus.

Oh, and not all Guests are 'DG' and Sept 11 was no mistake. Countries are being forced together against the peoples' wills with 'trade agreements' while wages go down and rights are denied more and more every day. THAT was the primary reason for Sept 11...to just move us cattle along a little faster. Look to see who benefits in any crime. The Pentagon bombed itself on Sept 11.

Test, test.

DG

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST,10:40 a.m.
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 11:03 AM

My sentence above which read:

"Claims that there wasn't enough time for it to happen really calls the credibility of the US military and it's air."

should have read:

"Claims that there wasn't enough time for it to happen really calls the credibility of the US military and our national air defense system."

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 12:57 PM

GUEST 22 Jul 03 - 10:40 AM,

So DG, what precisely is your interceptor going to do? Would you as a private citizen with no access to national security information, really want to know?

On the basis of 29 years of hi-jackings, no aircraft had ever been deliberatley flown into any building, multiple hi-jackings had been attempted and carried out previously. Had you been in the hot seat on the morning of September 11th 2001, what exactly is it that would have prompted you to launch the might and resources of NORAD against those aircraft? To do what?

The reasons why an investigation into what happened on 9/11 is so damn unnecessary is because the mistakes made were both legion and bloody obvious:
- most lax airport security in the world, you'd even forgotten the lessons learned in "Take-this-plane-to-Cuba" days.
- complacency among the flying public of the USA that led to them believing that getting onto an aircraft was as easy as getting onto a bus.
- complacency that the fostered belief was "It will never happen hear."

I find it somewhat confusing that you are so insistent in demanding an independent, high level investigation in order to learn from your mistakes, but at the same time you say that, "It doesn't matter what the policies and procedures were prior to 9/11." But DG it is vital that that independent, high level, investigation focuses on the policies and procedures in place at that time. Or has your idea of an independent, high level investigation got some other agenda - I suspect it has - you little rascal!!

My solution by the way to prevent such a thing happening again is as follows:
- Secure cockpit doors - already done
- Failsafe auto-pilot feature which in the event of an incident is activated either, by the pilot, air-marshal or member of cabin crew.
- The auto-pilot once engaged cannot be disengaged or over-ridden.
- Auto-pilot is programmed to fly the aircraft to designated military airfields, these diversionary fields being automatically altered/up-dated as the aircraft proceeds on it's journey until such time as an incident occurs.
- Aircraft lands on full-auto and comes to a halt, engines are shut down automatically and cannot be restarted, emergency doors and chutes activated.

Bit better than having your independent, high level investigation then going for what I suspect your solution would be - plane hi-jack, launch the interceptors and shoot the mother-f**ker down. The flying public at large and the civilian airlines and insurance companies would just have an absolute field day with that one - no bugger would ever climb on an aircraft again.

With regard to them (i.e. the Bush Administration) engaging, "... in truly manipulative, cynical, and evil exploitation of those events by doing things like scheduling the Republican National Convention for the 2004 election year in NYC for the express purpose of getting political mileage out of it?"

I assume that both the Republican and Democractic Parties are free to select where they hold their repective conventions? I also assume that New York City has hosted such events in times past? DG, ould-son, are you going to be the one to tell the mayor of New York that he must remove his city from the list of major cities eligable to host political conventions. I'd rather you do it than me, because I get this distinct feeling that if either of us do it, that nice man would quietly draw us aside and whisper in our ear, "F**k-off, do you think I'm crazy!!!"

As stated above I am sure NYC has hosted major political conventions, the sooner it does so again, irrespective of which party convention, the better. No better, or braver, signal of that city's resilience could be flashed across the world to those who tried to rip the heart out of the place. Sorry DG, that, of course, is just another way of looking at it, but that would not form part and parcel of your thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST,10:40 a.m.
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 01:10 PM

I'm not DG, Teribus.

"Had you been in the hot seat on the morning of September 11th 2001, what exactly is it that would have prompted you to launch the might and resources of NORAD against those aircraft? To do what?"

Well, for starters, they could have been forced or shot down.

It didn't all happen within 5 minutes, Teribus.

"Bit better than having your independent, high level investigation then going for what I suspect your solution would be - plane hi-jack, launch the interceptors and shoot the mother-f**ker down. The flying public at large and the civilian airlines and insurance companies would just have an absolute field day with that one - no bugger would ever climb on an aircraft again."

Bullshit.

"I assume that both the Republican and Democractic Parties are free to select where they hold their repective conventions?"

So you aren't the least bit concerned with the exploitation of the victims of 9/11 for partisan political gain, then? Your response speaks volumes about your lack of moral courage, Teribus. Volumes.

Which is why so few here agree with your rantings. You are an amoral hyper-rationalist, who worships at the altar of science, technology, and political expediency. Your clergy are the corporate, military, and bureaucratic marauders, out for what they can get at the expense of the rest of us, not to mention our democratic civil society.

Amoral lightweights like you are a dime a dozen in the post-tech boom era.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 01:22 PM

You just don't understand, Teribus (not sure who you're addressing as 'DG', but I'll insert this here). Hijackings are just one of the tools at the hands of the terrorists who have seized the US govt. Next it'll be something else. Ground all the planes, for all I care, but next week it'll be a bio attack or a nuke. Doesn't matter what changes are made as long as terrorists control the govts. Sharon is the most obvious terrorist operating on the 'good team' these days, but the ONLY way Sept 11 could have gone off as it did was with US govt control of the operation. Refer to the dozens of detailed internet timelines on the topic.

And now we're off on another 'terrorist' incident in the making. Rumsfeld...in THREE leaked 'top secret' reports has issued invasion plans for North Korea. And he's said it's scheduled to go in October. So the plan seems to be to provoke N. Korea's insane Kim Jong Il to do something stupid like fire a stone-age rocket at Japan, which country will in turn respond with a hari-kari unleashing of its 1,200 nukes. Half of which will be flying to the US as payback for Hiroshima.

Look up the McCollum Eight-point Plan on google. Same thing was done to Japan prior to WW2.

And speaking of Japan, they've been in an economic depression for ten years after being the 'most successful' economy in the world for a decade. The global bankers, knowing how important pride is to that country, pumped them up and then pulled the plug. The shame. The loss of face. Where's that short sword?

Terrorists of heretofor unimagined wickedness have seized the US govt, and IF we ever get another change of administrations, the REALLY evil people...Schumer, Byrd, Clinton, Feinstein, Liebermann...are going to have a field day with all the new dictatorial legislation.

The Communist revolution is about to bear fruit in all its bloody glory. Joseph McCarthy was right about commies in the US govt, and he was flayed for it. Look up Venona on google...the US cracked the Russian communication codes in the 1940's and knew EXACTLY who the Soviet agents in the US were. Truman even promoted them within the govt. And the left-wing had to go villifying in order to keep the lid on the secret.

But there I go falling into the left / right way of thinking again. It's all just tyranny. Look at how the Democrats roll over lately and let the 'conservative' Republicans set up a dictatorial socialist police state in violation of the US Constitution.

Saddam Hussein was left in power in '91 because the international banking elite is in this for the long haul. The end result is what's important. A war here, a hijacking and repressive legislation there, a bogus left-wing distraction in the form of the 'Communist Manifesto' to distract the masses while all the pieces are patiently lined up...the banking elite is patient and we...yes WE are going to be the lucky ones to see the pay off. We are now terrorized daily by our own govts, so something is about to pop, I'd wager. Interesting times to live in.

DG

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: kendall
Date: 22 Jul 03 - 02:20 PM

A quick look at Bush's "military record" will show just how dangerous HIS job was. If I had a choice, I'd rather a damn site fly a plane here in Maine than be in a ground unit in Iraq, Viet Nam or any other place where the bullets were flying.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 04:35 AM

DG 10:40 AM,

You clearly state that you would have used the interceptors to force the aircraft down (just how you would achieve that you do not go into specifics on), or, to shoot those aircraft out of the sky.

When I predict that the latter would be your possible solution you decry what I say as being Bullshit.

You, clearly, demonstrate that you are the bloody amoral lightweight in this.

We have drifted way off thread, so if you want to pursue a discussion relating to safety in civilian aviation please feel free to create a new thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 05:06 AM

Kendall, old son,

"A quick look at Bush's "military record" will show just how dangerous HIS job was." At least he had a military record.

As Strick said, the difference between Bill Clinton and George W Bush:

"One abandoned his country and the other served."

Try to dress it up in whatever way you like - nothing alters the veracity of that statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 11:16 AM

Yes, Teribus. Shoot them out of the sky. The one in Pennsylvania was shot down. It was on a path to the Three Mile Island Nuclear plant. It's debris was spread over miles...consistent with in-flight break-up. The intercept and shoot-down protocol was established as decades ago. The military follows orders, the orders were in place. But the interceptor planes never took off. The FAA cleared the air corridors instantly, but the interceptors never took off. Joint Chiefs Ralph Eberhart and Richard Myers were on duty that day. Either they or the Commander in Chief gave the order to stand down. And the two generals have since been promoted. Myers' testimony immediately after the event, to congress, was open, and he gave three different timelines concerning the event in his half hour of testimony. Making it up as he went along. Then Cheney said, 'If we are forced to draw resources away from the war on terrorism in order to investigate September 11, another American city WILL be attacked. Possibly even nuclear." A direct threat. The terrorists control the US govt, but too many of us know about it now. They are in trouble. Bad, bad trouble.

DG

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: kendall
Date: 23 Jul 03 - 07:09 PM

Sure, he served alright, just as he is "serving" now. Are you a country boy? Then, you know what "being served" means. If you don't, ask the next cow you meet.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 10:37 AM

DG of 23 Jul 03 - 11:16 AM

"The one in Pennsylvania was shot down." - Oh No it wasn't, according to eye-witnesses and the aircraft's flight recorders, the aircraft crashed up-side down but intact.

"It's debris was spread over miles...consistent with in-flight break-up." I could well imagine that an aircraft of that size crashing at 500+ knots would spread debris over a large area. One of the things that would have been consistent with in-flight break-up (as in the Lockerbie incident) would be bodies spread over that same large area. However all bodies from this flight were recovered from within the crash site crater, again indicating that the aircraft was intact at moment of impact.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 12:01 PM

Yes it was shot down. Debris spread over miles. Check the dozens of timelines. The staged event went off so successfully, the govt didn't need yet another success. So the plane was brought down.

Also, the hijacked planes were flying the busiest flight routes in the US, at peak morning rush hour, and all 4 planes were at EXACTLY 20% capacity. The computers at the boarding desks were refusing further boarders. Just enough people onboard so teams of 4-5 possibly armed men could control the situation. So even if the hijackers had stupefyingly good luck in willing the NORAD jets to stand down, how did they put the voodoo on the Airlines' computers? And why did the # 3 man in the CIA buy a record number of put options on the two airlines to be used less than two days before (betting the stock would go down suddenly)? And why did an FBI informant live with two of the hijackers when they were in California?

And most importantly, why do we have Thomas Kean, a known associate of terrorists, running the stonewall 'investigation' into Sept 11? You know why.

Don't defend these monsters. It wasn't Allah's will, it was the will of the Rothschilds. And Saxe-Coburgs the Rockefellers. Hell, the Rockefellers built the WTC complex and owned it for 40 years and then sold it just 6 weeks before the attacks. The monied elite are making their final push to take over the planet, and Sept 11 kicked off WW3. Now we have pre-emptive war and perpetual war announced by the US (absolutely un-Constitutional principles), and the terrorists who control the US govt are going to use our legislative and military arms to create havoc in the world so they can establish tyrannical global govt. We all have to resist on a national level.

DG

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 01:03 PM

DG,

By way of response:

"Yes it was shot down." NO it wasn't.

"Check the dozens of timelines." - Why don't you check the eye-witness reports and data on the in-flight recorders - additionally air traffic control tapes (radar and voice).

"The staged event went off so successfully, the govt didn't need yet another success. So the plane was brought down."

The flight that crashed in Pennsylvania was delayed at take-off, due to runway congestion at Newark, by 40 minutes. The hijackers could not have predicted that, or taken account of it, the people you claim were responsible could have cleared that problem instantly.

The target for this flight has never been definitely established, but information from Al-Qaeda members currently in custody (One of them was the guy responsible for hatching up this scheme) identify The White House and Capitol Hill. Now as you are so keen on timelines, if the Newark flight had taken off on time it would have hit either of those targets at around the same time that the other hit the Pentagon.

The plane was brought down due to the action taken onboard by the passengers - it was intact when it made contact with the ground.

"....all 4 planes were at EXACTLY 20% capacity." - No they weren't

Depending on exact type and seating arrangement the two Boeing 767's that hit the WTC were at 33%; 26% or 22% for the aircraft that hit the North Tower and at 23%, 18% or 15% for the aircraft that hit the South Tower.

For the Boeing 757's that hit the Pentagon and crashed in Pennsylvania, depending on exact type and seating arrangement these aircraft were at 29%; 25%; 24% or 21% capacity for the aircraft that hit the Pentagon. Capacity of the aircraft that crashed in Pennsylvania was 18%; 16%; 15% or 13%

Hopefully a drug store near your location will be opening soon and you will be able to resume your course of medication.

Thank you and Good Night.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 08:14 PM

Yeah yeah yeah...the medication fall-back. A favorite around here. I guess it just depends on which sources we check, Teribus. So...why isn't the official source the govt? Why the non-answers so long after? And I bear you no ill-will by the way. We seem to have an honestly different perspective on this stuff, but for the life of me I can't understand why you would cling to yours. THE FBI HOUSED TWO OF THE HIJACKERS IN A SAFE HOUSE. And that was one of the FEW uncensored facts to come out in the latest whitewash. The one cobbled together by terrorist entrepreneur Thomas Kean.

There were no govt intelligence lapses on Sept 11. The operation went off exactly as planned except for the tardy delay of one flight and the non-flight of the LAX plane. 3 out of 5 made it to their targets unimpeded. The pentagon ran the operation. The govt says it was 'unimaginable' such hijackings could occur, but the Pentagon's reason for the interceptors not taking off?...they were running a drill at the moment to SIMULATE HIJACKED AIRPLANES CRASHING INTO MONUMENTS!

The system worked as it was designed to do...the terrorists reached their targets. I don't care how much time or money you have invested in the system, it is broke and you shouldn't put in any more effort defending it. The people running the system are going to take all you have, incarcerate you, torture you, kill you, kill your family and then laugh about it over cigars. The more you aid such a system, the more contempt they have for you.

Today I listened to Rush Limbaugh (I take it you are British and may not know who this guy is) but he reaches maybe 25 million radio listeners a day in the US. Mouthpiece for the Bush Company. And today he was frothing about how half of Americans 'apparently think the President isn't being honest about his reasons for liberating Iraq'. Limbaugh follows polls and tries to direct public opinion, so some poll...something...put a scare into this guy. And what I suspect it is is me and millions like me. The folks you keep mistakenly identifying as 'DG'. Those of us who have seen the ugly truth only need to see it once, and then we adapt. Buy guns, raise hell, tell others. But those who listen to the lies and placations of the govt-controlled media have to be lied to over and over and over again in order to keep them ignorant. But those efforts at lying are failing. I've distributed a thousand copies of a movie called '911-Road to Tyarnny'. Clinton and Bush contrived the terrorist attacks. The film proves it to my satisfaction and to the satisfaction of millions of others. And we're pissed. As in pissed off. And we don't like our Constitution monkeyed with by treasonous foreign-backed butchers.

John Ashcroft just tried to put out a popular uprising in Alaska. The state censured the USA PATRIOT Act, and Ashcroft went there to reassure them no one was losing any constitutional rights. But they didn't buy it, and he only made it worse with the bad publicity. The House of Reps just passed a measure to rescind the portion of the PATRIOT Act which allows for 'sneak and peek' searches...allow cops to enter a residence and take what they want as 'evidence' and leave behind surveillance devices. 'Delayed warrant' searches...they'll get back to you with the warrant. Absolutely unconstitutional, and there are a tens of millions of Americans who would shoot ANYONE dead who broke into their house like that, cop or not. So, people are waking up. The people in control of the US govt are working against the interests of Americans, and we don't like it.

And the abuses began in earnest on Sept 11.

No hard feelings. How are things on your side of the pond, by the way? What are you folks doing toward spiking the head of that troll Blair?

Best wishes.

DG

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: curmudgeon
Date: 24 Jul 03 - 08:26 PM

DG -- You've aroused my curiosity. How about some documentation for your "Alaska" scenario. Thanks -- Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 12:55 AM

Alaska scenario? It's late but I'll go look for a couple of articles. I didn't mean a true uprising, as in they were trying to lynch him. It's just that Alaska (along with Hawaii) have passed STATE resolutions censuring the USA PATRIOT Act, which is a fascist piece of legislation passed knee-jerk style in the wake of Sept 11. But it is over a thousand pages long and was OBVIOUSLY fashioned beforehand, just waiting for the 'Pearl Harbor event' mentioned in Cheney/Rusfeld's PNAC document in '98. The PATRIOT Act guts the Fourth Amendment right against unfair govt search and seizure, among other things. Lots of cities and counties have passed resolutions against it, but only two states. And Ashcroft went to Alaska on some bogus trip at taxpayer expense and delivered a bogus lecture on how the PATRIOT Act doesn't threaten anyone...

Ashcroft says Toughen PATRIOT Act as Anchorage protestors gather

And if any of you think you're not threatened by the PATRIOT Act, read the story below. If you read only one story today, read the one below:

An amusing little anecdote concerning the PATRIOT Act

I don't know...I just think it's good that Ashcroft has to go around putting out grassfires. He's the appointee of an appointee. In his last bid for office, his rival was Wellstoned two weeks before the election, and Missouri STILL elected the dead man over Ashcroft. Now the rest of the nation is coming to understand why.

DG

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 01:01 AM

"Reporters and photographers covering his address were ordered not to approach within several feet of the attorney general...."

I guess that's the part that got my attention. Keeping the citizens at distance...must have been tense. I bet the feds were scared wet. They were on unsecure ground. This is soooo good to read. The US govt terrorists are beginning to have to answer for their actions. America owes a debt of gratitude to Alaska.

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 08:32 PM

Sneak and Peek rollback

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 09:05 PM

Well, GUEST, this might have gotten a little off course but, since I originated this thread, I yield. You got some pretty interseting you've shared with us. Poor ol' Teribus is pullin' out his 'er her hair tryin' to discredit you but, hmmmm, some days the satrs ain't quite aligned right for the T-Bird....

Now, GUEST, you and I have had this one discussion before b ut I've never quite gotten a straight answer on the guns things. Like, ahhh, there are enought guns privately held by the US citizens for each one to have one in each hand. That includes babies and kids. Why more? Really, I ain't makin' no fu here, but why more? Hey, I'm not ryin' to get you off your good points here but....

But I agree with you that the people of the US are gonna have to take back their country. It has been highjacked by some real messed up fokks who think because they were born into famililes with money, that the government has a responsibility to them to protect their share of the wealth. Only problem is, is that they don't create any wealth no more than their daddies or their daddies before them.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 03 - 10:56 PM

I buy guns so I'll be able to hand them out to neighbors, Bobert. When the time comes, they'll believe in them. Can't have enough guns when the shooting starts.

Yeah...sorry about the thread drift. Hard to know where to address some things, though. And Sept 11 permeates everything. That is THE smoking gun. It is the way to expose and bring down the true terrorists, but the terrorists are running the 'investigation'.

Anyway, I think I've finally figured out how to deal with the Sept 11 terrorists. Grand juries. A grand jury is the most powerful political entity in the US. A grand jury FORCED Bill Clinton, a sitting President, to give testimony. Soooo...if any of you out there know about grand juries and how I can approach them, please save me mountains of work. Let me know where to begin.

My plan is simple...contact every grand jury in the US and remind them they have the power to hold politicians accountable. And show how the pentagon bombed itself on Sept 11. So why hasn't the President and his cabinet been called to give an accounting? And I also want to extend the questioning to all members of congress and the Supreme Court. Simple questions...why did you take lobby money from terrorists, etc. Execute the traitors and begin a Restoration of the Constitutional Republic.

Its taken me a while to realize this is the proper course of action, but it is. The grand jury.

Fifth Amendment to the Constitution:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Man...where to begin now.

DG

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 04:29 PM

We (some of us) believe and often say that the current governmental administration of the USA is greedy, dishonest, manipulative and power-mad, not to put too fine a point on it. It occurred to me that some of our conservative friends may think of it as just rhetoric, rather than fact based. I've run across some information on Cheney that tends to corroborate the perception we have of this particular person.

On Meet the Press (October 2003) VP Cheney said: "Since I left Halliburton to become George Bush's vice president, I've severed all (emphasis mine) my ties with the company, gotten rid of all my financial interests. I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind (emphasis mine) and haven't had now for over three years (emphasis mine)."

Pretty unequivocal statements, right? Then why does his public financial disclosure, filed with the U.S. Office of Government Ethics, show that in 2002, Cheney received $162,392 in deferred salary from Halliburton. In 2001 he received $205,298 in deferred salary from them.

QUOTE: The 2001 salary was more than Cheney's vice presidential salary of $198,600.
Cheney is also holding 433,333 stock options.

QUOTE: Cheney spokeswoman Catherine Martin said the vice president will continue to receive about $150,000 a year from Halliburton in 2003, 2004, and 2005. If President Bush wins a second term, that means Cheney will make at least $800,000 from the company while sitting in office (as vice president).

(Ebbie: The 'deferred salary' evidently refers to the fact that Cheney took out an insurance policy that would guarantee the money would be paid to Cheney no matter what happened to the company. So I'm sure he has no financial interest in the company.)

Derick Z. Jackson
Liberal Opinion Week
October 6, 2003

Don't let the 'Liberal' name take you off the track- this is not about opinion, it is about easily found facts.

Beccy, you say: "Oh- and that pesky little divestment of all of his Haliburton stock that Cheney had to do prior to running for Veep.."

He did not divest himself of his stock, he put it into a "charitable trust". It's still all there, waiting for him. May that be sooner rather than later..

Subject: RE: BS: Cheney Payback: Halliburton Licks Chops
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 03 - 07:24 PM

And we notice that when the minority party tried to tack ammendments onto the $87B "supplimental" to require the government to open up the bidding processes to competition that the Repubs shot them down. Hmmmmm? Ain't just Cheney getting greased here. This administration makes Tamany Hall and Teapot Dome look lilly white....

Makes me sick. Makes me resent paying taxes.

Crooks are 'sposed to be in jail, not rewarded....

Bobert