BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 05:06 PM

Personally, I think every one needs a good mid-winter festival as an excuse to have fun, eat and drink something a little fancier than pork and beans, and get in touch with friends or relatives you may not have heard from for awhile. Call it whatever you like; I'm not particular.

Never did pass Consumerism 101. But I scored high in both Beginning and Advanced Recycling.

I acquire most of the gifts I give at yard sales, flea markets, consignment shops and antique shops. Except for the things I make. I don't spend a lot of money because I don't HAVE a lot of money and I don't buy stuff for the sake of buying stuff. Oh, and I buy CDs from folk musicians -- not big corporate empires and distribution systems. I design and produce my own greeting cards.

Besides, this time of year is the only time you can get commercial eggnog in the grocery stores. I LOVE commercial eggnog.

Just my 2¢ worth (cuz I can't afford much more than that -- I'm unemployed again and can't collect unemployment until after the first of the year).

Linn

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 05:32 PM

Well I like Christmas.

The thing is to enjoy it in your own way. Go out and do a gig - somebody will have you somewhere - after all its Christmas.

I don't like dinners. Not sitting down. And you can't get a decent pizza on Christmas Day. Or a Curry.

Thats the downside.

On the plus side - they always show Casablanca. No post, so theres no bills arriving. and people say Merry Christmas, which is nicer than what sometimes gets said round here.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Santa
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 07:25 PM

God save us, the Xmas worshippers are swarming in through the windows! We're fucking doomed. They can't keep to their own Xmas worshipping threads to save their petty little lives.

Well, since you are both obviously in need of some Anti-Santa abuse, all I can say is, you asked for it, so here it is!

I mean this with all sincerety Linn, I don't give a shit what you do for gift-giving.

And I couldn't be more genuine, weelittledrummer, when I say "bugger off you wanker!" We aren't in this thread to listen to your "what I love most about Xmas" drivel!

YER BOTH IN THE WRONG

DAMN

THREAD!

Try here to see if the Whatnoll family gives a shit what you think about Xmas! I don't!

God DAMN I'm enjoying myself here. Hey! All you passive aggressive Mudcat Xmas worshippers who want to rain on the "Piss Off Xmas Cheerleaders" parade COME ON DOWN! Get your absolutely free, no assembly required dose of Xmas abuse here! The Anti-Santa is happy to keep doling it out to any and all attempts to stamp out the message of our Xmas resistance!

C'mon now, share more of your Xmas fantasies, sweet and swell holiday stories, and let us do all we can to make that Xmas magic thing work overtime for ya this year! Xmas troll satisfaction guaranteed!

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 08:10 PM

GUEST A-S: You are mellowing. It's plain to see--mellowing.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 08:19 PM

Perhaps we should ask Ron how he feels about people greeting him with " Another four years! Thank God!"

seems like he should have no complaint at all...

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 11 Dec 04 - 11:42 PM

Yup, you're right, BB.

Regardless, there will never be more than 4 more years of Bush.

But poor Anti-Santa will have to contend with Christmas for the rest of his life. Truly, he deserves our sympathy.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 01:00 AM

lots more conservatives- and the Dems have not yet figured out that they need to run FOR the office, not AGAINST the incumbant...

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 02:13 AM

But back to the point- Xmas, as practiced in the US, is not religious so much as social- but it does have a religious basis that not all of us share. IF there is reason to keep support for religion out of the government, then perhaps the idea of celebrating this holiday should be rethought. On the other hand, if the government celebration is ok, then it shows a true link between the religion and government, which is not supported by the Bill of Rights.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 08:21 AM

Anti-Santa poor? Oh, I think not Ronnie boy. Rich in spirit because I'm not a social lemming.

And as to having to put up with Xmas for the rest of my life, I know that idea would cheer up a passive aggressive Xmas worshipping jerk like yerself, but I don't even put up with Xmas now! Except to harangue people like you Ronnie baby. I'm beginning to think that you are not only passive aggressive but a masochist as well. You do keep coming back here asking to be abused over and over and over and...

Why, I guess one could even say you truly deserve our contempt!

And have a nice, merry day.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 11:55 AM

Who is just a tiny bit hot under the collar? Clue: it's not me.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 12:19 PM

Also

BB--

I'm so sorry to have to tell you this, but if you had hoped to have a prayer, so to speak, of a de-emphasis of Christmas as an official state holiday, then voting for Bush was, to say the least, not a good move.

It's too bad you didn't figure this out a little earlier.

Well, them's the breaks.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Jacob Marley
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 12:34 PM

....when the clock strikes one, you will be visited by the first of three ghosts....

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Santa
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 02:08 PM

Da doo Ron Ron, what the hell makes you think I'm hot under the collar? Dream on, dude I'm having a great time abusing you. Please come back soon for more, sucker.

Stuff a sock in it Jake, the ghosts are YOUR delusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 02:52 PM

There's always more great Christmas music---more every year. Recently I sang a song called the Hawaiian Carol--did in fact have a Hawaiian flavor to it--arranged, I think, by Sir Malcolm Sargent.

Then there's offbeat "carols"---- ( which we just sing at our party, where we also sing parodies, but probably not what you would like, Mr Anti-Santa)--- like the Bitter Withy.

And of course wassails and songs that sound like wassails but really aren't--like Sound, Sound Your Instruments of Joy.

Just about ready for my 13th annual SATB door-to-door caroling. Don't worry, Mr. Anti-Santa--we won't be knocking on your door--- we only sing for people with Christmas decorations on their door, or who we know in advance want to hear us.

But we never make much headway along the street--there's so much demand for us that it's hard to leave a house.

Hope everybody enjoys the season!

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,The Anti-Santa
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 08:48 PM

Ron, even I'm beginning to feel embarrassed for you. Why do you want to harangue people who don't share your feelings about the holidays? What kind of a sick mother fucker does that?

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 12 Dec 04 - 08:57 PM

Ron,

Politics is a little off-topic here, but as I have stated in other threads, there is a lot about Bush I don't like- If the Dems had RUN a better person, I might have been able to vote for someone else.

IMHO, if the Dems had won the election with the candidate they had, we would have beeen worse off in both the short and long-term.

My opinion, which you may choose to differ with.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Peace
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 12:46 AM

I think I don't want to talk about--let alone think about--the Resident President. The people have spoken, albeit in a way I don't like or understand, but they have spoken. Time to suck it up.

However, suck it up doesn't mean sit back and laud the incumbent. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! And nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo again.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Bush
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 08:41 AM

So get on board the Anti-Santa express folks, and join the Xmas resisters!

Nothing pisses off religious nuts and conformists like the Bushies (or the Kerries, for that matter) than the XMAS RESISTANCE!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Swave N. Deboner
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 01:55 PM

Anti-Santa, you have every right not to observe Christmas, but you don't have any right to vilify those who do, whether for religious reasons, or because we are nice, decent people who want to spread a little cheer in an otherwise bleek world. Nor does any pro-Christmas person have the right to judge or bash those tho do not observe the holiday. As adamant as you are, if we were all as easily lead as you keep insiting we are, we'd prescribe to your sorry, pathetic, sad perspective without question. You come across as a very miserable person, bereft of any happiness or joy in your life. I feel pity for you, because you are pitiful. Merry Christmas all the same.

SNB

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Dec 04 - 04:42 PM

Its all comparative - Christmas is a lot better than ......fri night 5.30 on the M1. Or Thurs night...come to that. And road works and repeats of The Bill, or taking someone round the January sales in a wheelchair, or getting your credit card bill,...or the January sales with shops full of total dogshit.

Christmas does have its bad points...the Cliff Richard single, the check outs at the supermarket the night before,....but on balance I think as an experience its not bad rather than completely dire.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Santa
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 08:27 AM

I find it absolutely hilarious that people think I must be miserable, because I'm abusing Mudcat trolls. That is all they are. Obnoxious trolls. They see a thread title that challenges their worldview about Christmas, and they come trolling their way into the thread to upset the applecart, for the sole purpose of antagonizing people and getting in their faces about Christmas.

This is more proof (as if any were needed) that secularists are targets for the Christian majority here in Mudcat, and that the most intolerant group posting here, and the Christians. That is why we can't hold a decent conversation here about avoiding the dominant culture's Christian capitalist high holy retail season, without a bunch of trolls leaping into the thread, and talking about why they love Christmas, and what pathetic human beings us secularists be.

They just can't tolerate anyone who isn't just like them in their presence here. Talk about sad and pathetic!

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 09:56 AM

"Why do you want to harangue people who don't share your feelings about the holidays? What kind of a sick mother fucker does that?"

Obviously you're the kind of sick mother fucker that does that, Anti Santa.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Swave N. Deboner
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 01:44 PM

"This is more proof (as if any were needed) that secularists are targets for the Christian majority here in Mudcat, and that the most intolerant group posting here, and the Christians."

(Sorry I haven't learned how to italicize quotes from other posts yet)

Targets for the Christian majority, indeed. My ONLY target is my f---kin' dart board, man. Anti Santa, besides appearing to be a miserable person, you seem a little paranoid, too.

What I'd like to know is, just what the f--k's wrong with wishing somebody well any way? Saying "Merry Christmas" or, if you want to be politically correct, "Season's Greetings", or "Happy f--kin' Holidays" if you like, is certainly not shoving Christmas down anybody's throat. It's an expression of hospitality and human warmth, something you seem to be sadly short of. Most people I know, Christian or not, wouldn't rip somebody a new asshole for not regognizing or celebrating Christmas, or any other holiday for that matter.

You don't like people saying "Merry Christmas" to you? So don't f--kin' listen then. Ignore it. But quit condemning people for being pleasant.

SND

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti-Santa
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 01:47 PM

Nope Guest 9:56, you got it bass ackwards. This thread started out perfectly reasonable, with me and Pauline. Then everybody who came on board after that came in to have their say about how they loved Xmas, sorta liked it, did or didn't do this that or the other thing at Xmas, and hijacked the thread.

That is troll behavior, and it is exhibited by passive aggressive jerks.

Like yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Anti Santa
Date: 14 Dec 04 - 02:08 PM

"Saying "Merry Christmas" or, if you want to be politically correct, "Season's Greetings", or "Happy f--kin' Holidays" if you like, is certainly not shoving Christmas down anybody's throat."

It is in my opinion.

and then this:

"It's an expression of hospitality and human warmth, something you seem to be sadly short of."

I disagree with that statement too. There is no law that says everyone must reply in kind to the expression of phony holiday sentiment, especially the person you are expressing it to has asked you not to do it.

There continues to be controversy over the public aspects of this holiday for a reason. A lot of us don't like being forced into enduring the phoniness, the superficiality, and the dominant culture shoving it's cultural traditions in our faces year after year when we want nothing to do with it.

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion SND, including your opinion of the ways you think everyone should be required to respond to Xmas celebrants forcing themselves upon non-celebrants by making "cheerful" holiday remarks. I don't know why you think that is. I work in a public school, and we don't put up with it. Sure there is a Secret Santa thing, but people CHOOSE to participate in it. We don't play holiday songs, wish people "happy holidays" because a good portion of our student population aren't celebrating a holiday at this time of year.

Now, you could just accept the fact you can't rudely shove your opinion down MY throat, but for some reason, you feel compelled to keep coming back at me, as if it will change my opinion. I assure you, it will not.

Now, I'm sure you, SND, like the other passsive aggressive trolls posting in this thread for the sole purpose of trying to antagonize l'il ole me, would just love to shove your opinion don't my throat and make me "take it".

So long as you behave like that, you'll get from me as good as you're giving.

So ho fucking ho ho to you too, you pathetic, sad little troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 06:45 AM

Anti-Santa-----

Please take a minute and read your own postings, especially the later ones.


I repeat:   you need help---and more than we can give.


I hope you don't take your rage out on the kids in your public school. If you do, more serious problems than Christmas need addressing. If you are a teacher, I have to say I certainly wouldn't want any children of mine taught by you, with your own huge unresolved issues. We have excellent teachers posting on Mudcat--and then there's you. (But perhaps you're not a teacher We can hope.)

And, by the way, you might note you have a cause here. Your, shall we say, less than welcoming attitude toward anyone who may differ one iota is not likely to win many converts to your grandiose Christmas Resistance Movement. Live and let live might be considered. You may want to moderate your tone just a bit.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 07:09 AM

Ron,

Happy Four more years.

May Bush bless you, and enlighten you.

Happy Iraq freedom day.

Welcome to a Republican world.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 08:21 AM

BB---

I'd settle for Bush enlightening himself. That would be progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: artbrooks
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 08:28 AM

I stuck my head back in to see if any rational discussion was going on. Guess not.

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: Swave N. Deboner
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 10:17 AM

Well, that's me tell't then, I guess, as my Scots friends would say!

Anti-Santa, my whole point is this, and I'm speaking solely for myself here: I'm sure people who know you are quite aware of your feelings about Christmas, so they aren't likely to wish you a merry one. If I were to approach you on the street, not knowing you from Adam, and being the friendly person I am, I would probably bid you greetings of the season. I wouldn't necessarily say, "Merry Christmas", but I might say "Happy Hols" or something like that. If you didn't acknowledge me, it wouldn't ruin my day, since we're not acquainted. Nor would I be offended if you were to ask me to keep my greetings to myself because you don't celebrate the season, either. But, if you bit my head off about it right off the bat, I just might get a little irritated. After all, I would only be attempting to be pleasant.

I understand your position clearly. I know it would be unrealistic for you to walk down the street announcing to everyone within ear shot to keep their holiday well-wishes to themselves so you could avoid having anyone bidding them to you. But you need to understand that simply uttering a holiday greeting to someone is not shoving anything down their throat. I do NOT consider you an outcast of society because you don't happen to celebrate Christmas. I know plenty of people who don't keep that particular holiday. But none of them condemn people who do believe in celebrating at this time of year.   

In my 2 previous posts to this thread, I meant no offense to you. I was merely expressing my point of view, which is obviously different than yours on the subject. I'll admit, I find your caustic cyber-demeanor a bit off-putting, so perhaps I threw in some verbiage that would have been better omitted. However, I didn't resort to name calling and insults as did you. If I was inclined to respond to yours in kind, I would call you a hostile, unfriendly prick, but I won't.

By the way, I am not a troll, I'm not pathetic (at least I don't believe I am), and I'm sure not little. I stand 6' 2" and weigh in at 265 lbs. If anybody's a flaming troll, it's you.

Cheers

Swave

Subject: RE: BS: Join the Christmas Resistance Movement!
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 04 - 11:42 AM

It's the social pressures on non-Xtians some of you seem to be in denial about here, and your absolute pig headedness about refusing to accept how strong are the pressures to force assimilation upon all other cultures to conform to the dominant Anglo Xtian culture in the US especially.

We are very close, in terms of population numbers in the US, to the nation no longer being a majority of English speakers. Now, I'm sure those of you in Britain can't really get your heads around that. There are many parts of the US, especially in urban areas and certain rural ones, where you rarely hear English spoken, depending on what neighborhood you are in. Now, I know most Mudcatters live in exclusively white Xtian or white Jewish areas, and get precious little exposure to minorities. Threads like this make that blatantly obvious, despite everyone's protestations that they have "minorities" among family and friends. Having a few minority family members or friends isn't the equivalent of getting everyday, constant exposure to non-dominant minority cultures.

That is what makes this place so conservative. The people who post here are pretty much all the same. Very little cultural diversity is seen here. This is the only place in my reality, 3D or online, where I encounter this kind of bizarre behavior anymore.