Folklore: Brer' Rabbit

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 11:58 PM

Interesting to bring Huckleberry Finn into the discussion. I agree, it is one of America's best novels, and it is indeed subversive. And to bring one aspect of this thread full-circle, it is that element of "subversiveness" that many American Indian novelists have adopted and cultivated in their writing. There are subtexts that run deep, and the works of Owens, as the particular example I gave before, they seem straight-forward enough on the surface, but positively churn below with layers of cultural nuance and baggage. They are written intentionally to place the "mainstream" reader at a disadvantage, if they don't have the tools to crack the cultural code within. The same kinds of layers are easily detected in Twain's novel.

SRS

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 11:59 PM

Perhaps what Mark Twain said at the beginning of the book is the best explanation of the dialects, which were white except for one.

"In this book a number of dialects are used, to wit: the Missouri Negro dialect; the extremest form of the backwoods Southwestern dialect; the "Pike County dialect; and four modified varieties of the last. The shadings have not been done in a hap-hazard fashion, or by guesswork; but painstakingly, and with the trustworthy guidance and support of personal familiarity with these several forms of speech.
"I make this explanation for the reason that without it many readers would suppose that all these characters were trying to talk alike and not succeeding."
(By Southwestern Twain meant the SW Missouri region of the Ozark Plateau).

I just ran across a quote from Ernest Hemingway: "All modern American literature comes from one book by Mark Twain called Huckleberry Finn."

It is time I read the book again.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 12:17 AM

Stilly River Sage, have you read the 'children's' book, "A Coyote Columbus Story," by Thomas King? Great illustrations by W. K. Monkman. Published in Canada by Groundwood (Douglas & McIntyre) in 1992.
Supposedly for grades 4-8.

Excerpt:
"Say, says Christopher Columbus. I'll bet this is India. And he looks at the human beings. I'll bet these are Indians. And he looks at his friends. I'll bet we can sell these Indians."
Just a little bit subversive.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 09:31 AM

Seeing the Song of the South as a little kid, I never got the impression that Uncle Remus was inferior. What I saw was a man who did not have an easy life yet was full of patience and love towards children. Which kid doesn't want a grandfather like that, who sings and tells exciting stories full of worldly wisdom? It's a shame people see it as anything more than that.

As to the N-word in Huckleberry Finn, imagine that in 20, 30, 50 years someone decides that African-American is a racist term. What does that make all of us?
Also, if a character is racist and acts it, does that mean the book is necessarily racist?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 10:28 AM

In the future, if researchers use these Mudcat threads as material that provides a wealth of information on what some folks in the late 1990s and early 2000s thought about {and how they expressed their thoughts on that new media-the Internet}, it will be interesting for those researchers to compare opinions stated on such subjects as "Uncle Remus" and "Amos & Andy" with opinions expressed by African Americans documented elsewhere.* I'm sure they will find a large difference between the fond nostagic rememberances White people have for "Uncle Remus"; "Songs of the South", and "Amos and Andy" and how Black people remember these artistic products.

* 'Elsewhere' means television & radio talk shows and newspapers, magazines, and online articles-and hopefully some [???] Internet discussion forums. Regrettably, I haven't yet found a predominately African American discussion forum {or even one with a good size number of African Americans and other people of color}which provides opportunities to discuss subjects having to do with arts & culture, race relations, politics, and other subjects.

And since I've been on Mudcat, I confess I've stopped looking for such a discussion forum...

But it's time like these, more than other times, that I really wish Mudcat had more posters-as Members or Guests who were of African descent and acknowledged that race/ethnicity.

I think the discussion of these subjects would not only be different, but would be richer because of those differences.



Azizi

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 12:54 PM

Azizi, I've seen a number of literature and environmental discussion groups express the same kinds of concerns at the lack of diversity among participants. It isn't for lack of welcome, so it must be for lack of access or content to attract in such participants. It is a guess only that if people who can participate don't because they choose not to, then they consider these groups non-productive or to have baggage that they don't want to bother with. A lot of the folks on the discussion lists in question are bothered by that, but are also clueless as to how to fix it. They end up, as we have here to a large part, discussing the matters among themselves and taking up the necessary defence of positions that they understand academically but that they don't necessarily have first hand knowlege of. To be knowledgeable about a group but not a member of that group presents some problems even in these discussion groups themselves. You can be cast in the role of "apologist" or "wannabe."

Q, your suggestion of Thomas King as an example is right on the mark. He is well known for the humor and subversiveness of his writing. (You might want to check into his radio show Dead Dog Cafe.) It's no surprise to you perhaps that King and Owens were good friends, along with Gerald Vizenor and a few others who feel (or felt--Owens died in July 2002) the need for this kind of writing, that privileges the native reader.

SRS

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 01:36 PM

Over 50 years ago, Hugh MacLennan wrote "Two Solitudes," which explored the gap between French- and English-speaking Montrealers. That is a completely different situation, but the title applies to many aspects of the black-white relationship in the United States.

What SRS says is true. Even if a viewpoint is understood at some level, it may be mentally rejected if it conflicts with and is foreign to a person's long-established views. For most people, avoidance is the selected response.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 03:44 PM

Stilly River Sage, and Q thanks for your comments.

Re: your comment, Q that "For most people, avoidance is the selected response" with regard to cultural and interracial discussions that might conflict with a person's long established views, it occurred to me that were I not working from my home, I might not have the energy to engage here at Mudcat.

In most work environments people of color are a minority. And many of these work environments are hostile, or the people "benignly" clueless about the world that we live in, and how different issues, situations, and "even" art impact us differently because of our history, culture, and current situations. Unfortunately I have had personal experiences with the patronizing attitudes and racist crap that people of color encounter and have to put up with 24-7 to make a living {which doesn't mean that non-Black people don't have to put up with insensitivity and other crapola at work. However, it seems to me that there is an added amount of stress that we {people of African descent} have to deal with in interracial settings when we are far outnumbered. Overt prejudice is not the only thing that we often experience. As the 'only Black person in a number of settings in my 3D life, I had to "play pass" unintended ignorance and/or basic questions from those who have a real desire to know about Black people {questions like "Do Black people tan?" and "Why do Black people put hair grease in their hair?"-and an irritating questions such as "What do you people want?"}.

So perhaps during our down time, it may be a bit much to ask us to come to a potentially hostile environment for rest & relaxation.

It may be a bit much but I still ask.

I believe tghat Black folks and other people of color will come to Mudcat. The content need not be a deterrent, particularly since this is a Blues and folk music site {and the definition of folk music could include indigenous music from the English speaking Caribbean, and non-English speaking countries.

Members and non-members can start new threads about music and BS topics that are interested in, and post to most old threads. Furthermore, Catters don't have to agree on everything that is written here-we can pick and choose which threads we want to visit. So if some people are turned off by certain topics that others adamently support {such as blackening up and Morris dancing}, and neither side wants to learn from the other, a} they don't have to read those threads and b} if they engage each other in conversation, as long as they are respectful, it's cool & the gang and IMO makes for a more interesting site.

How to increase the diversity of this site?

We keep promoting the site by word of mouth.

We visit other sites and let people there know about Mudcat and invite them to visit {like Q did when he visited my site}.

We continue to be welcoming of guests and invite them to join Mudcat {like Jerry & Jeri did with me}.

We respond to guests and new members' basic questions about how this site works and where to find things in this site {as Brucie and WYSIWYG did with me}.

We continue to be accepting of multi-culturalism and continue to introduce different perspectives on the subjects being discussed as Stilly River Sage did with this thread and as others often do {I could name them but the list is so long that I'm bound to forget someone}.

And

We continue to be alert to racism that shows up on Mudcat openly and not so openly. And when "it" does show it's ugly face here, we strongly register our disgust and non-acceptance.

We continue to share knowledge, and show that we care what happens to people we have come to know through this medium even if we never meet them face to face. And we continue to have fun.

These and other actions & responses will see us through until soon and very soon we will which the promised land of a much more multi-racial Mudcat.



Azizi

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 03:50 PM

Uggh! I hate making typos but I just simply am too hyper to use that preview feature-It's just too much like right.

Among the typos in my last post: In the last sentence "which" is supposed to be "reach".

Pat yourself on the back if you knew that before I posted this
post.

LOL!

Azizi

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Billy Weeks
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 04:57 PM

Great stuff Azizi. This is the thoughtfullest thread for many along day. About two years ago there was a thread on the ethnic origins of catters which, I pointed out, revealed a great deal about the ways that various individuals had come to enjoy folk music and the blues and also told us a bit about the places where they were born and raised, but practically nothing relating to ethnicity as such. I brought a storm about my head when I suggested that the forum seemed to be failing to attract non-whites. It was a simple statement of fact, based on the responses to that thread, but a couple of angries took it as some sort of attack.

I have the attitudes (which, of course, I believe to be utterly pure and right) of an averagely inquiring white European. I believe, for example, that I (and others like me) would know little or nothing about nineteenth century African American culture if it were not for the work of a handful of white collectors and artists whose writings are now, in some ways (and to our own time and sensitivities), seen as embarassing - so I am thankful to them. Which is why I need to hear more from folk like Azizi.

And incidentally, when I first began to read books on my own,I thought that Uncle Remus was a brilliant character, and I envied the child who sat at his feet.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 05:34 PM

Thanks, Billy.

I read that thread and I 'heard' what you were saying. And I'm delighted to still hear it now.

I appreciate what you have written about White song collectors and the important role that they played in preserving folk songs which originated from or were largely attributed to Black people and other people of color.

If these song collectors had given real credit and real money to those early performers, I could appreciate and respect them more.

Oh well, that was then and this is now, and unfortunately there is alot of then goin on now.

As to Uncle Remus being a positive image of Black men, I never would have thought it.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 07:59 PM

I know nothing of her background, but an African-American named Judy Lind contributed a review of "Huckleberry Finn" to Amazon. Her conclusion- "So- is "Huckleberry Finn" a racist book? No. It's of its time and for its time and ours as well, portraying a black man with sensitivity, dignity and sympathy. If shallow, ignorant readers see Jim as a caricature and an object of derision, that's their problem. Hopefully, they may mature enough in their lifetime to appreciate this book as one of the greatest classics of American literature.

Another reviewer, an African-American from South Carolina, on reading "Uncle Remus," found the dialect difficult but ends: "... if you have a lot of patience and love some good stories, go for it."

From these and other comments I have found, I take it that African-American opinion is not uniformly opposed to these works.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 08:28 PM

It's good to remember in our attempt to simplify that, as Q points out, no race, political or religious persuasion is monolithic. That's why Azizi never claims to speak for blacks, or African Americans. You can use works like, "some," "alot," "many," or "most" for any group of people but never a blanket statement. Unless you're talking about a blanket, of course. I find it much more helpful to try to understand why people think and feel about issues as they do, without slipping in to generalities. I know some blacks who got a big kick out of Amos and Andy, and some who liked Brer' Rabbit and Song Of The South. That doesn't prove anything, either.... I can understand why blacks would find the black image presented in movies and music and literature for so many years grossly offensive. I find it offensive, and I'm not black. But, I'm human and I find demeaning images of other humans offensive.. whether it's blacks, Jews or native Americans.

I regret that the Brer' Rabbit stories were put in the framework of a fictional character that makes the stories less accessible to people who find Uncle Remus an offensive stereotype.

And Azizi: being a puny little white kid who suffered from endless ridicule and getting beaten up, I loved the character of Uncle Remus. I didn't think about whether he was an accurate representation of black males in the years immediately after slavery.
I loved him because he was a wise, positive, loving man. His being black wasn't an issue for me.

You want to get offended, look at the words to Stay In Your Own Back Yard. My Mother sang that song to me, my sisters and all her grandchildren and greatgrandchildren and we heard it as a compassionate, loving bit of advice that we all could relate to. The fact that it used racial terms would make the song so offensive now that no one could sing it. But, the song was so loving (I thought) that as much as anything, it led me to feel an empathy and a brotherhood with blacks. I knew what it felt like to be ridiculed and devalued. I didn't know what it was like to be black, and still don't, but I knew how much it hurt to feel rejected and worthless.

A black minister asked me a few years ago how I ended up in a black church and was so comfortable there. I said that I felt right at home, and I immediately thought of my Mother singing Stay In Your Own Back Yard to me.

Sometimes, the meaning of a word is in how it is used. I've joked with Ministers that you can say "Jesus Christ" followed by every obscenity known to man, and a lot of people aren't offended by it. Say "I love Jesus Christ," and some people start attacking you, saying that you're proselytizing.

Bro Jerry

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 08:34 PM

In time things will have moved on so that the contempt and the insult will have died a natural death, and the marks of it in the records of the past will have ceased to have the power to hurt in the way they still do, and ceased to provide mechanisms for the racists who still crawl upon the earth today.

A parallel: for many years the stories of Somerville and Ross about "The Irish RM" were widely regarded by people in Ireland as insulting, because of the way they portrayed the relationship between the "native Irish" and the English Rural Magistrate and his family. That reflected a sense in which England was seen as somehow in a position ot look down on the Irish, and that was resented.

But that's gone, and it was demonstrated when British and Irish TV cooperated in producing a splendid set of series of the stories, popular both sides of the Irish Sea.

Sooner or later, please God, the racism born of slavery and its aftermath will have faded into history, and Americans just won't be able to understand it, let alone share it. That'll be a time when Uncle Remus and company will be accepted and loved without embarassment.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 09:36 PM

The Irish RM TV series was well-liked in Canada, and I presume the U. S., when it played on PBS (public television).

I remember when everything stopped because people were listening to Amos and Andy on the radio. We saw the program as a caricature of ourselves- not just blacks. The hard-working, sensible Amos, and Andy, the man with the big mouth and big ideas that never worked out. At the Elks Club, the poker game stopped, cues were laid down at the snooker tables and the barman stopped serving drinks until the program was over. At home, nothing could interfere with listening.
Red Foxx, the black comedian, owed some of his routines to them.
Nine volumes of Amos and Andy from the all-black-cast series on BW television are available on DVD, and the original radio shows on 120 cds, or in MP3 format.

"Song of the South" may be purchased through EBay and other venues.
It was good, but only a few stories could be included.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 11:17 PM

My dad told me the Br'er Rabbit story when I was a boy. But he used his regular voice but I loved the story. When I found it in a children's book in the original vernacular, I had no idea what that was supposed to mean. I didn't associate it with slavery or blacks--I just thought it was supposed to be a down-homey Southern dialect for story-tellin--which I guess it was but I didn't think of it as belonging to a black slave. In fact, I thought the dialect bit got in the way of the story itself.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 12:44 AM

Jerry,

There is an powerful undercurrent going on in many of the films in which a white director and/or writer (or novelist, if based on a book) portray ethnic minorities as less-than full citizens or partners in the story being told. Or if they're a major character, they're a caracature. But the term "signifying," when used in African American terms, and described very well by Henry Louis Gates in his book Signifying Monkey, is a way of dissing the white viewers in plain sight, and they don't realize it. The term that probably was first acknowledged in African American arts has been used to represent a distinct subtext that contains backtalk and ridicule that happens in America in non-white novels and films.

I think it is Gates who has discussed some of the performances by actors like Steppin Fetchit, who was actually doing a great deal of "signifiying," and his performances were loved by many blacks of the day who saw what he was doing even while it went over the heads of the white audience. The premise is that he was so overplaying his dumb act that he was caracaturing what whites thought blacks were like. Something very similar often happened in the movies when Indians were hired to play Indians (!) (instead of white actors in makeup and wigs). Read some of the early Louise Erdrich novels (Love Medicine and Tracks come to mind) in which at least one of her characters discusses the roles he played as a movie extra. And look at Cheyenne Autumn, in which Southwestern Indians were hired to play plains Indians. They did a lot of dialog in their own language, and while they looked to be "authentically" saying what Ford wanted them to convey, they were actually saying the most outrageous things about the white actors. When Indian audiences watch that movie they are in stitches. Louis Owens writes about this in an essay in his collection called Mixedblood Messages. He also created a character in his last novel Dark River, who was a movie extra and who tells a lot more of those stories. It's Owens' way of getting those stories out there a little more, telling the truth through the venue of fiction.

A final note: If you look into the book and series The Story of English by Robert MacNeil, I think you'll see a chapter (corresponding to a segment in the series) that attributes many aspects of the Southern accent to a relationship between upper-class children who were raised by black nannies. It has been many years since I saw the series, but I wonder if he goes into some of this signification also? I wouldn't be surprised.

SRS

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 03:49 AM

What Jerry said is exactly why I like Uncle Remus. Here's a though, maybe in Song of the South, Uncle Remus wasn't the caricature?
To digress a little, signifying is very old and almost universal.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 06:42 AM

I think what it comes back to is that perception is in the eye (and heart) of the beholder.

I remember many years ago, when I went to a local Black Gospel Quartet anniversary concert and was so overwhelmed by how welcomed I was. It was a new experience for me, and I realize now that it changed me in subtle ways I wasn't aware of at the time. It certainly never occurred to me that someday I would be leading a black quartet. When I talked about what a beautiful experience it was with a friend of mine I said, "It's too bad that someone who is prejudiced couldn't have that experience." My friend wisely said, "It wouldn't effect them at all... they would see what you see as a loving, warm welcome as something that they were due, because they are superior to blacks."

Someone who is racist or deeply prejudiced might see the Uncle Remus character as a validation of their belief that blacks are inferior and should be subservient, while someone else might see Uncle Remus as a delightful, warm, loving man who happens to be black. Often, it's not what we see, it's who we are that determines how we see it.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 02:39 PM

In case anyone is interested in buying a DVD of Song Of The South, it's on sale for $8 or thereabouts at efilmic.com. You have to be a member (free) in order to buy it. Which means you give them your e-mail address. Maybe this is the way they get around the restriction for sales. The company is in Canada. Trust Canada to get things right.

efilmic is a good site on it's own, with very low prices on classic films on DVD.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 03:07 PM

The DVD of the film was offered on EBay recently. The product listing was removed July 27 on the complaint by a Verifier Rights Owner.
www.efilmic.com has removed it from their list for the same reason.

No DVD was ever authorized; they are illegal copies of the tape.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Raedwulf
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 04:21 PM

Super thread & thoroughly interesting!

My contribution is to comment on the intermingling of stories across cultures. There is a tale I know that has Irish, German & Japanese versions.

In synopsis: grandfather is old, useless & a burden on the household. He does something that drives daughter-in-law beyond distraction & son meekly falls in with his wife's pont-of-view. Grandfather suffers as a consequence. It is only when the innocent grandson (always grandson, would anyone like to scream about sexism?) innocently says he will do the same when his parents are old that the unpleasantness to GF suddenly stops...

If you can tell me where exactly this tale comes from, you are far wiser than I! Europe & Japan are very different & very, very separate cultures. Even now, in the global age, the obvious differences are far greater than than the obvious similarities.

How much does it matter whether the Br'er tales are African or from The People? Can you prove where they started? And, if you wish to assert that they are "mine", are you not indulging in the racism that you abhor? Stories are stories, people are are people; and the world over, they are surprisingly similar.

The real difference between us all is not culture or skin colour, breeding or blood. It's who got the upper hand first. Historically, that means white Europeans, for better or worse. Had it been People, Africans, or Orientals instead the world would be different. I don't think it would be any more equal, though, because that is the nature of humankind. 21stC technology, Stone Age mentality still, despite occasional glosses to the contrary!

Ooops! I went from stories to dodgy philosophy... {winces} Still an excellent thread, though, & reminds me why I originally enjoyed Mudcat - intelligent & interesting debate without rancour. Lovely!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 04:32 PM

Q: I received an e-mail this afternoon from efilmic.com. They are in Canada, and may not be limited by American laws and more than the pahramceutical companies are. As I siad, they may be getting around it by making it a "member's only" offer. I e-mailed them two days ago, after I noticed that they are no longer listing the movie as available and they said that it can still be purchased by becoming a "member." I already have a copy from them, so I have no reason to pursue it further. But, as recently as this afternoon, they e-mailed me that they DVD IS avaiable from them.

If someone wants one, best do it now if you still can.

I've read that Disney is considering re-issuing the movie on DVD, perhaps with a we-ain't-no-racists disclaimer as a prologue. They' make a fortune on it, because it is their most frequently requested movie to be put out on DVD.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 05:16 PM

Raedwulf, I know a Russian one too, I think and an Arab version.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 05:23 PM

I may try the "member" route. Thanks, Jerry.

Off the subject, but I wanted "The Secret Garden" for a grandchild. It first appeared on film in a BBC production in 1976 (and a tape was offered for sale by them), that is far superior to the movie with Maggie Smith, etc. I located a tape in England, had it changed here to the NTSC (sp.?) format and put on cd.

I think I am getting a copy of "Song of the South," but not certain yet; if I don't I'll try the 'member' route at efilmic.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Cluin
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 05:38 PM

How do the Irish feel about Disney's portrayal of them in "Darby O'Gill & the Little People"? I know one old Ex-pat Dubliner who loathed "The Quiet Man" on that score.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Raedwulf
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 05:49 PM

Le Scara - I cannot PM you. For some reason your name just does not appear!

The Irish is "half a blanket" (don't give him the whole blanket, I'll want the other half to put you out on the road), the Japanese is a wheelbarrow (remember to bring it back, I'll need it to take you to the place where old people die), the German a bowl (I'm making you a wooden bowl for when I can't trust you to not drop a china one). What are the Russian & Arabic ones?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 06:05 PM

Don't remeber the Russian, but the Arabic one can be a wooden bowl or spoon, some household item.
The Russian could be similar.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: voyager
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 06:06 PM

Since Mudcat is a Folk-Music forum....

What other songs besides Zipeedee Doodah are from
Song of the South?

Who is credited with that lyric/melody?

voyager
FSGW Ghetto

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 06:12 PM

Other songs:

That's What Uncle Remus Said
Everybody's Got A Laughin' Place I remember those clearly

Jerry

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jul 05 - 08:57 PM

Lyrics to ZipADeeDooDah- Ray Gilbert, Music- Allie Wrubel; 1947
The music to the film is credited to some ten people, under D. Amphitheatroff (sp?)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: GUEST,Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Jul 05 - 12:05 AM

Here is the IMDb (Internet Movie Database) info about the movie.

SRS

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: voyager
Date: 31 Jul 05 - 06:28 AM

I found the songlist, composers, and lyrics -
   Song of the South - Songlist/Lyrics'Composers

BTW - I watched the film last night!

voyager

Subject: RE: Folklore: Brer' Rabbit
From: GUEST,rachelforever
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 04:22 AM

Greetings:
When I was a young person, I enjoyed the Brier Rabbit stories in 'Song of the South', but also I enjoyed the recent audio version by Danny Glover on NPR, a short few years ago, with all the original dialect as in 'S of the S'!!! Why was the movie banned since Glover's audios are not?

I don't belive in 'book burning', especially by people who's faces I don't know and people I didn't vote for.

Rachel