BS: Warhammer

Subject: BS: Warhammer
From: Matt_R
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 03:30 AM

Does anyone else enjoy playing, or at least painting all the figures?

Subject: RE: BS: Warhammer
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 03:45 AM

The Boy Tom painted Warhammer figures, in the minutest detail, for about 3 years aged 11-14. Must have spent a fortune on them. Then went on to girls, boozing, politics (of the radical variety) and arguing all night with equally drunken parent. Finishes this month, should get a 2.1 (too lazy for a 1st). History of science is his latest baby.

Subject: RE: BS: Warhammer
From: Crystal
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 06:49 AM

Warhammer is brilliant, despite it's almost exclusivly male staff and the fact that is has been dumbed down to appeal to 10 year old boys who clutter up the shops and make rude comments if you are female and obviously buying for yourself (I've got some issues there!). And the fact that they've taken away the characters whose heads explode, wiping out half your army on the roll of a dice (they were fun!).
Sisters of Battle are lovely models to paint.

Subject: RE: BS: Warhammer
From: Matt_R
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 01:04 PM

Well, there's always Squigs!

Subject: RE: BS: Warhammer
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Jun 05 - 01:59 PM

Fun game... But I got out of it a bunch of years ago...

I got a passle of old style minis (Ral-partha and such) going up on eBay in the near future if yer at all interested

Same company made the table top version of BloodBowl no? The "Hobbit And Orc Footbal Game"??

Subject: RE: BS: Warhammer
From: The Walrus
Date: 04 Jun 05 - 07:44 AM

Whatever happened to the 'historical' wargaming?

Many (too many) years ago, I was involved in Napoleonic wargames mainly MiniFigs and Hinchcliffe - whatever hapepened to them?

Are there still historical games or is it all trolls and web-footed cryptomen from the Planet Tharg??

Walrus

Subject: RE: BS: Warhammer
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Jun 05 - 12:57 PM

"Whatever happened to the 'historical' wargaming"

I suspect they've been replaced by something on computer...

unfortunately

Subject: RE: BS: Warhammer
From: Crystal
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 06:53 AM

Historical wargaming still happens (it must do W.H Smiths carries at least 3 magazine titles dedicated to it!). Warhammer (and Warhammer 40K) was a game with a wonderful backstory (mostly lost now in the repeated dumbing down!), it was quality sci-fi horror but there is potential to develop your own ideas unlike historical stuff which is more constrained by what actually happened.
Historical models are easier to paint though, there is a well documented template for the uniform.

Subject: RE: BS: Warhammer
From: Grab
Date: 06 Jun 05 - 08:30 AM

I used to. I sold off all my figures and scenery a couple of years ago - had a Genestealer army. A lot of them were painted to a pretty decent standard, and most of them were converted to some degree (different weapons, backpacks or ammo pouches added, standards, etc). I probably could have got £100-150 for the lot on Ebay, but I thought I'd rather sell them to someone who was going to get some real enjoyment out of them. In the end they went for £50 to a lad about 10-11, who got the deal of his life. :-)

They dumbed down while I was still playing. Me and my mates kept going using the old-style rules, but I lost enthusiasm for it when I went to uni and started playing guitar - the creativity that went into converting and painting figures went into playing guitar instead. ;-) Plus the prices of figures went up hugely while the quality of game (and back-story) went down.

GW are currently having a bit of a cash crisis, according to reports on some internet news place recently. Apparently someone's just realised that they're pricing themselves out of the kiddy market, and they totally destroyed their adult fanbase 10-15 years ago, and their kiddy market players all quit when they reach 16-18 bcos it's too cartoony, so their business is stagnating in a big way. My only comment when I read that story was, "Hahahahahaaa!"

Yes Clinton, they also did Blood Bowl. Again, that's another game they trashed by messing with the rules. Originally it was simple, fun and a reasonable balance of skill and luck. "Beat the crap out of the other team and get the ball to the end zone" worked well. The whole point of it was that it was rules-free. And then they introduced the American-football-style rules. Now maybe if you're from the US then this makes sense, but for anyone else this was a pointless exercise, because no-one outside the US cares for American football, and trying to impose rules on something like that breaks the suspension-of-disbelief.

I think there still are plenty of historical wargamers (and wargames) around. Our singing teacher's husband is seriously into it, so obviously there are still some hardcore enthusiasts around. Thing is, computer games are great but they don't have the tactile quality of miniature figures.

Graham.