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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Little Robyn Date: 30 Jun 07 - 03:43 AM The second sail got caught in the first one so that cramped their style for a bit. In a few hours we'll see if they can redeem themselves. Robyn |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 30 Jun 07 - 12:39 PM Robyn- I thought the problem was that someone had caught his "knackers" in the main sheet block, whatever "knackers" might be. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Little Robyn Date: 30 Jun 07 - 06:43 PM I'm not up on the technicalities of yachting but I'm sure he had his knackers in the mangle afterwards! Well, we missed the last race. The Swiss only have to win one more and they keep the cup but we still have 3 races left - if we can win all three......... Dream on. Robyn |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Little Robyn Date: 30 Jun 07 - 06:51 PM Actually, it was the spin-naker that got caught. There are some photos here Robyn |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: SINSULL Date: 30 Jun 07 - 09:12 PM I saw it live on TV. At one point they had three spinnakers up. The first split; the second got caught up in the first. By the time they had recovered they had cut away the second sail and a halyard. There was talk of a possible foul. Dropping crap in the path of other contenders is a no no. Very exciting actually. SINS, who raced Shields in her glory days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 01 Jul 07 - 11:57 AM May the better team win! Well, this one does seem to be a very close match. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Little Robyn Date: 02 Jul 07 - 03:09 AM They couldn't race today - not enough wind for anyone. Maybe tomorrow??? Robyn |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 02 Jul 07 - 08:26 AM If we're becalmed that would be a great sin, Away, Rio! But we can fill all our sails by just breakin' wind, An' we're bound for the Rio grande! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Little Robyn Date: 02 Jul 07 - 03:54 PM Still no action. They think the hole in the sail was made by dragging the sail along the deck, which has a new abraisive finish - presumably so they don't slip over. I guess the delay is giving them some extra time to think about the problem and sort it out. Robyn |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Little Robyn Date: 02 Jul 07 - 04:00 PM At the bottom of this page was a link to the story here It tells you all about it! That Google fellow is very clever - he knows just what I'm looking for! Oh, it's changed now - it's about naming your baby. That's no use to me! Robyn |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: jeffp Date: 03 Jul 07 - 10:33 AM And the Swiss successfully defend the Cup with a one-second victory today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 03 Jul 07 - 12:08 PM "One-second"? Give that crew another piece of cheese or chocolate! Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 03 Jul 07 - 12:17 PM Here's one version of the story (might as well have a permanent record here to cap this thread):
Alinghi shatter NZ's America's Cup dream Alinghi has won the 32nd America's Cup in Valencia, downing Team New Zealand in the seventh race of the best-of-nine series by the slimmest of margins, just one second. Yet another dramatic race in an incident-packed regatta produced five clear lead changes, with the New Zealanders charging home as the wind switched right around on the final leg and crews hoisted jibs. The wind change produced chaos on SUI100, which hit a flat patch and had its spinnaker get caught under the boat on the drop. However, the need to relieve themselves of the penalty proved decisive for Team NZ and they were passed just metres out from the finish. "It was obviously pretty close but all credit to Alinghi. They sailed well, kept it close, kept on sailing the way they do and beat us fair and square," said New Zealand general manager Grant Dalton. Once again, despite the end result, New Zealanders have done the country proud in helping make the event an exciting series and many, some controversially, are represented in the winning 'Swiss' team. The America's Cup has proven, if anything, that New Zealanders are some of the best sailors in the world. After two days of non-action on the water, with a postponement because of lack of wind followed by a scheduled rest day, the conditions this afternoon were great for sailing, with a sea breeze of about 15 knots at start time. During the pre-start, Team NZ skipper Dean Barker pushed rival helmsman Ed Baird deep into the box. When the boats came back to the line, the start was even, with both on starboard tack and Team NZ to leeward on the left. The early drag race out to the left was even, before SUI100 tacked away. NZL92 followed suit and there was another speed test, with Team edging marginally ahead. When Alinghi came back for the first cross, Team NZ, on port tack so having to give way if required, couldn't quite cross in front, but was able to force the Swiss away. A short tacking duel ensued, with Barker just keeping his bow in front. But late in the leg, during another drag race out to the left, Alinghi were able to survive in the disadvantaged windward position and push Team NZ out to the layline. When the crews tacked back and approached the top mark, Alinghi, with a couple of good luffs that Team NZ had to respond to, managed to establish an inside overlap and rounded 7s ahead. In the first downwind run, Barker's crew produced some superb work, getting close enough to affect the opposition's air. Three-quarters of the way down the leg, NZL92 rolled over SUI100 to hit the front again. As in race six, when SUI100 grabbed the decisive lead on the third leg, Team NZ again elected to round the left-hand gate, while the Swiss rounded the right. As in that race, Team NZ tacked back to cover but Alinghi again got some better breeze on the right-hand side. As the Swiss came back and the boats headed for the first cross of the leg, Team NZ were unable to cross in front but man aged to force Alinghi away. SUI100 skipper and tactician Brad Butterworth initiated a tacking duel, making small gains with each manoeuvre. When the boats settled down to another drag race out to the left, the Swiss remained just behind with starboard advantage. Just out from the mark, in a move called by Butterworth, Alinghi hunted Team NZ, who after tacking on the layline, bore away to go under SUI100's stern. But the Swiss had to alter course to avoid a collision, flew a protest flag and had the umpires rule in their favour. Team NZ rounded the mark 12s behind and with penalty to get rid off. Alinghi appeared to be heading for a comfortable victory before the closest cup match in 24 years produced its unexpected finale. - with NZPA Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Little Robyn Date: 03 Jul 07 - 03:55 PM I guess that says it all! That's it for a few years. Now we can get back to real life (and regular television. Some of my favourite programmes kept getting bumped off.) Robyn |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 04 Jul 07 - 10:35 AM Well, finally, our local newspaper had a picture of Alinghi, deck crowded with about a hundred supporters, approaching the winner's circle. She looked in serious danger of being sunk by her admirers. There actually was one Swiss crew member aboard, contrary to popular rumor, and lots of chocolate and cheese for ballast. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Little Robyn Date: 04 Jul 07 - 04:03 PM 'There actually was one Swiss crew member aboard' and five of the Swiss crew were kiwis! The kiwi boat was beaten by a bunch of kiwis! Robyn |
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Subject: ADD: The Famous Yacht Alinghi (Steve Freedman) From: Charley Noble Date: 04 Jul 07 - 05:17 PM Here's the song that was composed the first time around: THE FAMOUS YACHT ALINGHI (Steve Freedman) Dec 2002 Oh come all you brave young yachtsmen, who sail the stormy deep I'll tell to you a secret which you must forever keep, Concerning that bold sail-i-or, Russell Coutts it is his name And he sailed the yacht Alinghi; from Switzerland it came. With Jochen Schümann by his side in Auckland he set sail All for to win America's Cup, he knew he must not fail. The Gnomes of Zurich backed them, and they pleaded on their knees: "Oh bring us back a box of holes for Emmenthaler cheese!" In Schnackenburg, the Kiwi boat, they had a great tactician His sails and legal knowledge they did help them on their mission Th' Alinghi overcame them all, it nearly drove them balmy, 'Coz they all had knives they'd gotten from the world-renowned Swiss Army. With army knives about their waists on Kevlar lanyards worn They set about the Kiwi boat as to the manner born; Removing of her fish-scales and the horses' hooves as well With their magnifying glasses they did cause her hull to swell. Well the series it was over and the Kiwis had been beaten. For far too much Swiss choc-o-late by them, it had been eaten The famous yacht Alinghi, was first into the dock But they found they'd been and timed the race with a crooked cuckoo clock! Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Skipjack K8 Date: 15 Feb 10 - 05:10 PM Well done the septics, beautiful boat, incredible spectacle. I think it worked out circa $80,000,000 for every hour of racing, but it was rivetting watching two egomaniacs try and kick the shit out of each other. IMO, the nicest egomaniac won. |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Bill D Date: 15 Feb 10 - 05:43 PM It was strange to see a little link about this at refdesk.com yesterday. I had seen NO other mention it was even happening. Even stranger is the odd set of rules they operate under so that just two big spenders can have challenges like this and not invite any others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Feb 10 - 06:38 PM I used to be hooked on AC but the past couple have been just ridiculous. Bill, the rules have always been "off center" as the owners of the Cup made the rules. Today's technology and money have taken much away from the sport. The tactics are still fun.......but less so than in the days of the Twelves. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: GUEST,lillyruben Date: 15 Feb 10 - 07:14 PM the rules have always changed because that americans cannot play fair. money, greed, money, greed, money money money thats all it is i sure it could be better spent on something more tragic than that, did not even bother to watch it |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: EBarnacle Date: 15 Feb 10 - 09:34 PM There have been lawyers and lawsuits involved since 1851, when America first won the cup. If you think the current action is nasty, read a few histories of the first race. |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: catspaw49 Date: 15 Feb 10 - 11:55 PM Yep........America was so fast they insisted upon an inspection for another power source! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Amos Date: 16 Feb 10 - 09:35 AM There is a beautiful fore-and-aft rigged schooner lying alongside our Maritime Museum down at the San Diego waterfront, said to be a replica of the original America. The story is the owners of the US America's Cup team use her for whale-watching expeditions. Lovely to look at. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 16 Feb 10 - 12:24 PM Guess I missed the race this year... Who won? Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 16 Feb 10 - 12:30 PM Here's a link: Click here for report I guess the United States' boat beat the Swiss. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Bill D Date: 16 Feb 10 - 12:30 PM The billionaire beat the mega-millionaire.... I think... |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: EBarnacle Date: 16 Feb 10 - 02:18 PM The gasses from the decomposing bucks thrown into her wake favored the "American" yacht. The question is whether San Francisco will bid enough for the race to be held in SF Bay and whether the deed of gift will allow the races to be held within the bay. It states that the race site must be free of headlands. Who knows, it may even be back to Newport. |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Amos Date: 16 Feb 10 - 03:11 PM BMW ORACLE Racing win the 33rd America's Cup match for the USA. A fantastic finale to this historic match. 18:37 Alinghi cross the finish line 5 minutes and 26 seconds after USA. The Swiss team were 24 seconds behind off the start line, 28 seconds behind at WW 1 mark, 2mins 44 secs behind at the gybe mark, Mark 2. 18:32 USA cross the finish line first and should lift the America's Cup subject to any protest. The crew look delighted. It is the first time that a challenger has won a Deed of Gift match. USA win 2-0. Coutts remains unbeaten in the America's Cup match, winning 15 Cup match races on board. 18:13 USA making a gybe to lay the finish and are back up to 18-19 knots after encountering a spell of lighter winds. 18:07 A remarkable spectacle as USA stretch towards the finish line of Race 2, towards overall victory. An American team have not won the America's Cup since 1992 when America3 defeated Il Moro 4-1 in San Diego. |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 16 Feb 10 - 08:29 PM I'm still surprised that there was no mention of this story in the newspapers or TV that I have access to. It's true that yacht racing is a conspicuous sport of the filthy rich but I thought that would make it a major story. So was it "design" or "crew" that made the difference? Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: EBarnacle Date: 17 Feb 10 - 11:05 AM Clearly. As you know perfectly well, Charley, speed through/over the water is a function of waterline length and beam. As Tri's have a longer effective WL than either cats or monohulls for a given length overall, it would have been surprising had the American team lost. |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 18 Feb 10 - 10:19 AM Eric- Actually, I wasn't aware of the design differences between the two boats but thanks for the clarification. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Amos Date: 22 Feb 10 - 03:16 PM he America's Cup is returning to San Diego for a celebration on Sunday. Sailing's most-coveted trophy will be in San Diego with the BMW Oracle team that reclaimed it last week with two straight race wins over the Alinghi defenders from Switzerland. The races were sailed off Valencia, Spain. The BMW Oracle team spent 16 months in San Diego tuning its 90-foot trimaran for its America's Cup duel against Alinghi's catamaran, although the team represented San Francisco's Golden Gate Yacht Club in the America's Cup. Eventually, the trophy will reside at the Golden Gate club. BMW Oracle boss Larry Ellison, CEO Russell Coutts and helmsman James Spithill have said San Diego is where the team perfected sailing the demanding trimaran that was powered by a 243-foot hard-wing rather than traditional sails. Sunday's ceremonies will begin at 4 p.m. on the USS Midway with the unveiling of the America's Cup, which called San Diego home from 1987-95. The formal ceremonies start an hour later on the Midway with Mayor Jerry Sanders proclaiming Larry Ellison Day in San Diego. At 6, the crew will board the America, the replica of the 1851 schooner for which the cup is named, to be transferred to San Diego YC for a 7 p.m. reception. |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Charley Noble Date: 22 Feb 10 - 05:12 PM Amos- Have you determined what they will fill the Cup with? Cheerily, Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: Amos Date: 22 Feb 10 - 05:17 PM I have no idea--maybe Karl Schtrausch beer from our local bwewwy. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: America's cup. From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Feb 10 - 07:50 PM It has no bottom. Ain't that the shits? Billions spent since 1851 for a piece of crap that originally cost 20 Guineas and had no bottom! Now y'all no where the money goes................ Spaw |
