BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 07:50 PM

Why would that be, Rigs???

Roller Derby Queen didn't exactly, ahhhhhh, win the debate and Joe Biden stayed disciplined and didn't screw up...

Ms. Sarah is still a drag on the ticket as more and more folks are getting seconf thoughts about her as a possible president... Her poll numbers are dropping like a whale's turd... She is like a cartoon character and these are no funny-haha times when a clown is needed anywhere near the White House...

We've had enough clowns... Time for the next president to break the intellegence barrier...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:26 PM

The McCain people can't possibly be very happy with the job she did in the debate. It seems to me, if they were happy with it, they would allow her to speak to the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 09:57 PM

You've seen what the media does to here. They ought to be arrested for assault.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 10:12 PM

They don't treat her any worse than the other candidates. It only looks like they're treating her worse because she can't answer questions that most other people could answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 10:16 PM

Rigs are you saying that I could be arrested fro assault for asking what magazines you read to keep informed or asking you what supreme court decisions you disagree with after you have stated the need to replace certain members of the court?

The media has been very easy on Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: John O'L
Date: 03 Oct 08 - 10:48 PM

The media have given Palin more than a fair go. She's so photogenic, they want her to dance, but she keeps falling over. She's her own worst enemy

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 02:01 AM

According to Taoist and Buddhist teachings I've read, everyone is their own worst enemy.

And you know what? I believe it. Boy, have I seen plenty of evidence of it in this lifetime! Yes indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 08:12 AM

Yeah, it's hard to argue with that, but there's a difference between falling down and being tackled.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 08:58 AM

Yes, it is very unfair to ask what a person reads.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 09:04 AM

Take the blinders off, Rigs...

Ms. Sarah has gotten powder-puff treatment from everyone, especially from McCain himself who has cocooned her...

If this were a test one would have to say that when it comes to grading Ms. Sarah has been graded on a curve (pun intended)...

But this won't do for a potential president and that is the reason that the McCain/Palin ticket is dropping in the polls... I mean, let's get real here for a second... What if a President Palin had to sit accross the nagotiating table from Putin-head??? That's a purdy scarey thought 'cause I'm way too old to learnt up how to speak Russian...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 02:44 PM

If Palin became president very soon there would be many illustrious, seasoned advisers available to pull the strings for her. People like Cheney, Rove...

By the way, I know I have been predicting that Palin will find that her family has to come first, etc, but I'm no longer so sure.

Contrary to what some here think, I think her backers are very pleased with her since the debate, because she was able to spout all the rhetoric and jargon that is so important to them, plus looking good while doing it.

What more could they ask? What more would they ask?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 03:15 PM

Yes Ebbie, I think that they are very pleased with the spouting. Especially since McCain seems incapable of sticking to a particular position for more than a short time.

Going from "the economy is sound" to "one of the worst crises" is his record but by no means the only example. But right now I'm sure that the far right would take Palin over McCain in a heartbeat. At least she follows their script.

On the other hand many many independent or undecided voters are probably going to walk into the booth leaning Republican, look at her name on the ballot and ask themselves. "If her own party and running mate don't even trust her talk to reporters how can I vote to put her that close to being President.

Rig,

The only people who can vote for her ticket with clarity are those who trust God to protect McCain or to lift her up to the position if needed. She is the ultimate faith based selection.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 03:37 PM

Jack, I would honestly rather see her in charge than McCain, because I think he's mentally unstable. I don't think she is, nor do I think she's stupid. She's a determined and reasonably intelligent and reasonably capable woman who would be pretty good at holding her ground, I think, if under pressure.

Not that I'd vote for her. ;-) I'm just saying that she's better than McCain, that's all.

Anyone who becomes president is surrounded by a whole bunch of high level advisors and power brokers who end up telling a president what he can or cannot do in a given situation. Presidents must bow to reality eventually, just as the rest of us do. Thus, I think the amount of damage they can do when in office tends to be limited by the rest of the control structure around them.

So how good a president Sarah Palin would be would be dependent to quite an extent on who else was positioned around her. Not that I have much confidence in them either.... ;-)

But I don't think she's crazy. I do think that McCain is more than a little crazy or he's just not all there, so to speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 04:35 PM

"Anyone who becomes president is surrounded by a whole bunch of high level advisors and power brokers who end up telling a president what he can or cannot do in a given situation. Presidents must bow to reality eventually, just as the rest of us do. Thus, I think the amount of damage they can do when in office tends to be limited by the rest of the control structure around them." LH

"If Palin became president very soon there would be many illustrious, seasoned advisers available to pull the strings for her. People like Cheney, Rove..." Ebbie

Aye, there's the rub...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Stringsinger
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 05:38 PM

Palin will not bow out. The election is rigged. McCain will get in.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 05:43 PM

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking when I said I wouldn't have much confidence in the advisors that would be around her... ;-)

I do think, though, that they have enough sense to not want to get in a war with Russia are China, for example. This doesn't mean they have enough sense not to initiate a war with Iran.

Or should I say, "Eye-Ran"? (to give it the "conservative" mispronunciation)

It seems that to rate with a conservative American working class audience and gain their trust you must say "Eye-Rak", "Eye-Ran", and "nookyular"...as well as dropping your "g"'s off gerunds.

It's like proving that you have calluses and can split wood and hunt moose. Pathetic, really. I blame it on 50 or more years of Hollywood movies about rugged cowboys and frontier heroes. Daft mythology, but it works in America.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 10:25 PM

I don't think that Palin will listen to advisors.

As she has in Alaska, and as Bush has done, she will ask God and do whatever the voices in her head, often the last piece of advice heard, tells her to do.

I think McCain is measured, coherent, sane and balanced compared to her,but only when compared to her, or maybe Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 10:53 PM

I think it's just the other way around, Jack. Sarah Palin is a young and I would suspect, extremely pragmatic woman...regardless of her religious or church connections. Ambitious and pragmatic types like her usually have excellent survival instincts. Women on average also usually have excellent survival instincts, much moreso than men who are much more inclined to commit reckless and stupid acts when they're in power.

Regarding religion, I bet she talks the good talk about "God"...and then does exactly what's good for business...meaning, good survival tactics for her and her administration.

In McCain's case, I don't think he's capable of thinking beyond fighting wars and preparing for further wars. He doesn't really invoke God, he invokes military action, and just pays a little lip service to God. I get the impression that he lives to wipe out the stain of Vietnam that echoes so large in his memory by leading the nation to a new "victory" over the dreadful enemy "out there somewhere"...a victory that in this case, as in the case of Vietnam, is not possible, because the overall objectives are completely out of touch with reality.

I don't get the impression that Sarah's out of touch with reality. She merely subscribes to a bunch of very common right wing notions that a lot of conservative Americans subscribe to, that's all.

Talking about your love for God is all well and good when you are running for president. They all do it. What worries me is that McCain's god appears to be warfare itself, as carried out by the American armed forces. The man lives to fight. Such men are handy as officers on a battlefield, they are disastrous when put in command of a nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 10:56 PM

McCain has a 25 Year history of often making sense. Palin has a bunch of lies on her resume and a speech she read off a teleprompter.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 11:43 PM

"Palin will not bow out. The election is rigged. McCain will get in."


                   Well, that would be the best thing for the country, anyway. But it's rigged anyway it comes out. The average everyday American doesn't have a chance.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Oct 08 - 11:44 PM

LH, don't fool yourself about Palin. I have met her type and worked against them in human rights campaigns. They are pragmatic up to a point and then their religion takes over. Their ultimate goal is always dictated by their religious beliefs/fervour.

A word, folks, on the pronunciation of Iran and Iraq. Out here, in the West, I know plenty of educated, LIBERAL people who pronounce them the same was as Palin. It's the way we grew up, not ignorant, just a cultural thing, like a lot of old-time New Englanders putting an "r" on the wend of such words as "law." (I was told that was from an English background.) So, as usual, generalisations are not a good idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 12:53 AM

"They are pragmatic up to a point and then their religion takes over."


                        The problem is, both parties have these addictions now. Sanity has left the building.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 10:34 AM

Hey, Kat, I've known a lot of Christian fundamentalists over the years, here and there, and they all talk the talk...but when the brass tacks are down are they ready to die unnecessarily in hopes of experiencing "the Rapture" and being delivered up joyfully to their God?



NO!!! (grin) They turn out to be surprisingly pragmatic, in fact.

It's mostly BS, spouted to impress one's peers, just like most of the BS that is spouted amongst other groups of people.

Sarah Palin's general manner suggests to me that she's a practical-minded ambitious go-getter who would do whatever she thinks will make her a success in the material world. McCain strikes me as a zealot who is obsessed with political and military confrontation.

*****

You said... "as usual, generalisations are not a good idea"

But...but...isn't that a generalisation???? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 04:52 PM

I don't think the question is whether or not they are willing to die for the rapture (they don't think they will die in the rapture, anyway, just get risen up). I think the important question is whether or not they are willing to arrange for other people to get killed because of their religious beliefs. If GW Bush is any indication (and I think he is), we can see that some of them are willing to arrange for other people to be killed because of their religious beliefs.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 06:18 PM

Yes, that is worrisome, Carol....but I think that what people are mostly dying for right now are the same old classic issues of empire that people have been dying for for thousands of years. They may say it's about religion, but it's usually about imperial ambitions and the struggle for control of markets, land, and resources...and the control of governments.

Bush has been using religion as a handy propaganda device...as a motivator and a vote-getter...he may even find that it motivates him on a personal basis...but what Bush's administration has really been fighting for is control of oil, markets, and strategic resources. He's been fighting to control various energy-supplying regions of the world on behalf of a bunch of mega-corporations.

That's not a religious issue, it's a financial and imperial issue. Sure, they'll use religion to motivate many of the fighters, but they are not fighting for religious purposes at all...they are fighting for the material things of this world, things which they wish to control and benefit from.

Whoever next occupies the Oval Office, he is going to be concerned with that same imperial agenda....and THAT is what worries me.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: DougR
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 01:36 AM

How much are you willing to bet that Gov. Palin will either pull out of the race or be dumped by Senator McCain by or on October 11, Bobert? I'm willing to call your hand. How much?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:13 AM

"I think the important question is whether or not they are willing to arrange for other people to get killed because of their religious beliefs."


                It's funny that somebody would be willing to face these realities and support Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:21 AM

I'm still a Kucinich supporter, and I am campaigning against McCain. I don't see Obama being in any way about people getting killed for religious reasons. As far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on whether or not he will help the military industrial complex kill people for money, and for consolidation of their power. I will probably vote for him because I am willing to give him a chance to show me that he will do what's right.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 09:55 AM

"I think the important question is whether or not they are willing to arrange for other people to get killed because of their religious beliefs."


                It's funny that somebody would be willing to face these realities and support Obama.

Please explain your thinking here, Rig.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 03:50 PM

I know many, many people who go to church or who say they believe in God. I don't know any who have demonstrated any eagerness to kill people or get other people killed because of their religious beliefs.

Our governments don't kill over religious beliefs, they kill over money, resources, markets, and control of worldly circumstances of one sort or another. They kill in their endless search for temporal power, wealth, and dominion. They kill because they are competitors for those things.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: DougR
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 04:13 PM

Don't agree with all your reasons for governments killing people, LH, but you left an important one out I think. They kill those who would kill the country's citizens. I think that one is the main reason.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 04:15 PM

Well, LH, I guess you're right that people don't kill for religious beliefs. But religious beliefs allow leaders to herd people into armies and shoot at each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 04:22 PM

I definitely know people who vote for policies that they believe will help bring about armageddon. Which amounts to voting for policies that will get people killed. I'm related to some of them. They believe that it's God's will for many millions of people to be killed in the Middle East so that Christ can return and they can be spirited up to heaven in the Rapture, or wherever it is that the Raptured people are supposed to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 04:47 PM

"I think the important question is whether or not they are willing to arrange for other people to get killed because of their religious beliefs."


                It's funny that somebody would be willing to face these realities and support Obama.


I'm still wondering what you mean by this, Rig.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 04:48 PM

I had a double rapture once!

Local lady Doc said "thats the biggest I've ever seen"
When I told the surgeon, he said " I'm afraid Dr ****** has led a very sheltered life!"...:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 05:05 PM

"..to get killed because of their religious beliefs."   

Nobody should expect that Mr. Hypocrite, the author of that phrase, is ever going to provide any logical basis for his remark.

In fact he's not just Mr. Hypocrite, he's Mr. Confused Hypocrite--a neat trick--he has no idea what he is saying.

After all he's only on Mudcat to provide entertainment value to the rest of us, which is of course a public service.

But as soon as he sits down at his computer, he turns his brain off. And the rest of us will just have to accept that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 06:53 PM

Please explain your thinking here, Rig

I think there's a questionable assumptionthere. Does "thinking" actually come into it?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 06:54 PM

"'It's funny that somebody would be willing to face these realities and support Obama.'"
I'm still wondering what you mean by this, Rig.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: DougR
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:23 PM

Hey Bobert! Wake up! Read my post of October 6. You've got a shot at winning some real money!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:27 PM

Geez, Carol! Well, okay....but people like that seem to be as rare as hen's teeth hereabouts... ;-) I'm clearly not living in the Bible Belt. Anyway, I still think it has little to do with national policy. National policy is driven by imperial ambitions, as it always has been.


Doug - Wars happen when one nation has something that another nation wants and the other nation is willing to use violence to get it...NOT when citizens are "in danger". Governments don't give a tiddly about their citizens being in danger, but they find it very handy as a rallying cry when they want to start a war.

But once the war starts...THEN, Doug, citizens of both countries are in danger from the moment the war begins until it ends...but AFTER the fighting starts, not before. I know you're thinking in terms of the 911 attack, but 911 was not an act of war. It was a privately arranged criminal act. It was not an act perpetrated by any government or any nation or the armed forces of any nation. It was a criminal act perpetrated by a small, hidden cadre of people operating in secret and NOT representing any government or sovereign nation. That is not an act of war, it's a privately committed criminal act.

It does not and cannot serve as justification for entering into a war with any sovereign nation, since no sovereign nation planned it, wanted it or executed it. All sovereign nations expressed great sympathy for the USA when it happened, (Iran included).

Such an act calls for a criminal investigation, that's what it calls for. It's a police matter, not a military matter.

It has no bearing on a discussion concerning people killed in war, because it was not an act of war. It was a crime.

No country is stupid enough to attack the USA in that fashion, because it invites a massive retaliation...and the USA has massive powers of retaliation. It is only a privately organized group of conspirators who will ever commit such a crime. By doing so, they no doubt hoped to provoke several wars between nations, and they have succeeded in doing so, because the Bush administration wanted such wars anyway. It was convenient to their future desires and plans. So convenient, in fact, that one can't help but wonder exactly who some of the criminals who planned 911 were. (?)

I bet they weren't all sitting in a cave in Afghanistan.

Iraq and Afghanistan have been the primary victims of the wars that resulted from that criminal act. They haven't lost a few thousand people, Doug, they've lost hundreds of thousands of people. THEY are the primary injured parties in this mess, not you. You've just got an economy that is totally screwed now, that's all. Count your blessings, because it could be a whole lot worse. You could have dead people lying in the streets, and a foreign army occupying your country.

That's what they've got, and they were not responsible for 911.

There was no war, Doug, until America decided to pretend that a criminal act was "an act of war" and started a real war. Then there was a war, all right. Now there are 2 wars. You can't really afford to fight even one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:31 PM

Canada doesn't seem to have too many people like that, but here in the US they're not at all uncommon. Some of them are serving in the Bush administration, and others are supporting the candidacy of John McCain. Sarah Palin (and her pastors) sounds to me a lot like my relatives who believe that sort of thing, and I think she probably believes it as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 02:57 AM

That's IT in a nutshell Hawk.
Pity so many here actually live in a nutshell!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 09:10 AM

Sorry KB. I've tried to explain a couple of times, and neither one of my posts managed to survive.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:51 AM

From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:27 PM

I bet they weren't all sitting in a cave in Afghanistan.

I bet they were sitting in board rooms, on the line to another room, in Washington...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:36 AM

Yeah, that's my opinion too, GfS. I just didn't bother to say it this time, I merely implied it. Pretty nifty highrise demolition and PR job, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 03:46 AM

From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:36 AM

Yeah, that's my opinion too, GfS. I just didn't bother to say it this time, I merely implied it. Pretty nifty high rise demolition and PR job, eh?

Hey, we always seem to be able to interpret reality clearly. Pretty good for two people thousands of miles apart, who have never met...but are at least sane! Sometimes I just have to sigh, at the kumbaya-ers, with their heads in the sand. I think this understanding, comes from an awareness, wrought by years of watchful objectivity, and some dialed in spiritual conscientious. ....so my prayer for you, is 'Dear Lord and Great Father, keep us safe from the bogus crusaders, and vociferous nincompoops'!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: PoppaGator
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:05 PM

Back to the subject at hand, Ms Palin:

I received an email today linking to an excellent essay in The Guardian (UK), entitled "Flirting Her Way to Victory."

Several days ago, my cousin Dave sent me a link to Maureen Dowd's examination of Palin's grammar and sytax; pretty hilarious. Several of my teachers over the years stressed the truism that, when you think you have an idea, you need to write it out. If you can't express it clearly in words, it was never a valid idea anyway. None of Sarah's teachers at any of those five colleges seem to have taught her that lesson. Here:

"Sarah's Pompom Palaver"

WARNING: Read 'em soon. These are newspaper links already a few days old ~ they won't remain available on the web forever. If you're reading this in 2025 for your history class, sorry!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:42 PM

Yeah, P-Gator... I think that Mareen Dowd hit it purdy much on the head...

It's a sad commentary when politicans go out of their way to sound and act dumb knowing that they are playin' to an audience that collectively don't have the I.Q. of that of a box of animal crackers...

But that apparently is America.... And that says alot about just how far down the ladder it's prople have slipped...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: John O'L
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:58 PM

I'm trying to imagine how "a team of mavericks" would govern the USA.

Another very scary set of images.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 07:19 PM

They have no interest in governin', John... That's what the lobbiests are for... They just want to be part of the cash grab...

B~