BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 07:39 PM

Jack, I agree with that.

However...there was a choice between a genuine public option and no public option. I'm sorry that they made the wrong choice when it came to that, and it's a great shame. Obama had enormous public support when elected, and he could have pushed for a public option and full universal heath care such as in Europe and gotten it, in my opinion. Instead, the administration gave in to fierce lobbying from the private health insurance industry and gave them mostly just what they wanted.

I'm still in favour of the bill being passed. It had to be. But I'm disappointed in how weak and compromised a bill it turned out to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 08:24 PM

Thank you for the input, Little Hawk. And you too, DougR. And for the name-callers, an especially big thank you. Just for you, I'll put the text that was thuggishly deleted at the start of this post into a webpage. Started it, will have it done in a day or two. Need to find appropriate pictures (oh, this will be fun).

To work, now. Couple of hours tonight, couple tomorrow. This Obama thing will break a LOT of conditioning.

Thank you all again.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 09:35 PM

"thuggishly?"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 09:40 PM

Mr wyziwyg:

You are not listening. Evidently you have swallowed the logical fallacy that there are only two choices, Obama's way or no health care reform at all.

There are several choices besides the Obama way.

If there is anybody here who is against health care reform, not the Obama version of health care reform but other options, speak up.

Is there anybody here that doesn't think medical insurance costs too much and something needs to be done to get the price down so more people can afford it?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:10 PM

Exactly. What needs to be done is a national single payer health plan such as exists in most developed countries at present, and even in a number of Third World countries. In other words, spread the entire cost of health insurance around evenly through the whole population and then everyone can definitely afford it and everyone is covered. It doesn't change the actual medical treatment itself one iota...but it makes it easily affordable for ordinary people.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 10:39 PM

Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 25 Mar 10 - 11:52 PM

You are being ignored ichie, Talking nonsense will lead to that.

Saw, Hawk,

Yes there are thousands of possible ways it could have been configured had there been a sincere effort by the majority of Congress.

But thanks to Lieberman and the obstructive Republicans, we only had two real choices. The Deal Obama worked out or more delays heaped on to the previous hundred years of delay.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:01 AM

Methinks we have gfs amongst us.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:21 AM

Matters not if I'm ignored now. You folks inspired me to a work of art. The page is a masterpiece, or will be after a little tweaking of the language. That was 67 pages of tough reading.

And now, I have a link that I can deposit wherever the need arises. Bile only begets truth, people. I look forward to the next time you ridicule what I'm saying. Last time it led to this:

http://www2.moment.net/~michael/Firefighters911.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 12:50 PM

I wouldn't be surprised, ichMael, if all campaign teams nowadays at the higher level (presidential) were well aware of a number of the hypnotic techniques you are talking about. After all, the commercial advertising world is certainly well aware of them, and they use them all the time in TV and radio commercials to sell product.

When an election occurs, another product is being sold to the public by the advertising team...a president, a senator, or a representative. It's another commercial product that is being sold, and it's being sold by a consortium of moneyed interests who expect that president, senator or representative to do exactly what they want him (or her) to do FOR THEM once he is elected. And he'd better...or they'll ruin his term in office.

That's the game, right? The public are just the poor sheep who file into the voting booth and rubber stamp the best funded and best advertised candidate. Obama was by far the best funded and best advertised candidate in the last election, so the elite power groups who do the funding had decided at some point that he was their man. I frankly think that initially they were planning to back Hillary Clinton (they had already decided it was time to turf the Republicans out and go through the charade of "rescuing" the nation by bringing the Democrats in...the only question was, which Democrat would be the president?)

And I think it was Hillary Clinton whom they initially planned to crown. Barack Obama, however, proved to be much better able to inspire the general public, even though he carried the very difficult problem of being a black man...a daunting challenge to get the first black man elected president in the USA! But there were problems with getting Hillary elected too, because there was tremendous hostility toward her among a very substantial number of Americans....and there'd never been a female president yet either.

But it had to be either Hillary or Obama. And Obama was far better at inspiring people, which became more and more apparent as time went by.

So they decided to back Obama instead, and he got the greater amount of funding, he got a lot of help from the media...and the deal was done.

McCaine was chosen to lose...just as some others have been chosen to lose in the past, like Michael Dukakis, for instance. McCaine's candidacy was a joke, really, but that's what he was there for, because it was time to switch the game from the Republicans in the White House to the Democrats in the White House. And the big boys with the big money run both of them, and very little changes.

The Great Game goes on.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 02:46 PM

ICky:

That you are unswervingly dedicated to your conspiracy-centric panic view of the world is not untypical of the kind, but pause and consider whether you are actually harming any good causes or good individuals by forwarding this kind of smoke and mirrors.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 02:50 PM

I know literally hundreds of people who supported Obama in the primary and Presidential races. None of them were hypnotized. Most of them don't really pay attention to his speeches.

From my experience, on the ground, in the real world, you are barking at a red herring which is up the wrong tree.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 03:00 PM

Jack:

You crack me up, sir.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Arkie
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 03:12 PM

If by hypnotic one means appealing to people's highest, most honorable standards, telling people the truth, and giving people hope that government can benefit common citizens and not just the wealthy, powerful special interests, you may have something there.

On the other hand there is something hypnotic in the way lunatics such as Limbaugh, Beck and certain Republicans and radical bloggers play on people's fears, prejudices, and hatreds to manipulate them into self-destructive action.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 03:48 PM

A Daniel, sir!! A Daniel!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:13 PM

""That some people believe they're being hypnotized by someone who's able to speak well explains a whole helluva lot.""

There are one or two on here, and a lot more out in the general public, who can quite easily be hypnotised by anyone who can speak at all Jeri.

A bit like a dog, whose head tilts to one side at the sound of a human voice.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 04:56 PM

"If by hypnotic one means appealing to people's highest, most honorable standards, telling people the truth, and giving people hope that government can benefit common citizens and not just the wealthy, powerful special interests, you may have something there."

The only problem is they have to deliver on it or they will be held accountable.

"I want you to hold our government accountable. I want you to hold me accountable."

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Arkie
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 06:33 PM

Since we do not have a dictatorship in the USA, a national leader has some limitations. Attempting to deliver on campaign promises is even a bit of a novelty. Obama has done that and even had a measure of success in spite of unprecedented resistance from elected officials and media and internet attacks. And I agree we should hold the government accountable. And so far we have seen an improvement in the economy, job levels restored to at least the level of before Bush economic crash, the winding down of one war front and steps toward ending the other, and the passing of a monumental health care bill in spite of outright lies and misinformation from the opposition. And work still continues on the economic front.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 07:51 PM

Having spent many years living primarially around black people I had the pleasure of enjoyin' many a sermon delivered in a cadence that was comfortable yet inspiring... What some folks see as hyponotic isn't hypnotic at all but rhytum... This is why we enjoy music... It has a beat... A rhytum to it that fits in with our natural rhytums... It's kinda organic...

Obama has learned that speech pattern... It isn't as much African American as much as African American Preacherman... I guess, for alot of white people who haven't spent time in black churches it's kinda like hearing a new sound or style of music... I mean, it ain't gonna hypnotize you but you listen to it because you enjoy it...

I think people do enjoy listening to Obma becauase he has studied those older preacher's speech patterns and learned that groove... That's really what it is: a groove... I mean, you don't hear folks talk that much about "the groove" in the north but you sho nuff hear about "the groove" in the South... The highest compliment that a blues player can get in the South is for someone to say, "Nice groove, ya' got"...

So, hey, I'd just say, "Enjoy it"... You don't need no meds for it... You don't need no doctor... It's pleasing... Especially after a life time of listening to folks who ain't got a groove on... I'd name them but the list is endless...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 09:18 PM

Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques

More organized now, more clear and to the point.

I disagree on the preacherman thing. Obama's an oily huckster.

No one knows where he was born. He was sent to Muslim schools in Indonesia, etc...he's no good ol' southern preacherman. True, he spent some time at Jeremiah's Wright's cesspool church and absorbed a lot of that extreme black hatred of whites, and that "g-d-am America" sermonizing, but you can't put his speech mannerisms down to any of that. The speechifying is studied. That's why he clams up when his teleprompter goes out. His hypnotic paces and leads are marked out in the text and he won't speak unless he can stick to the script.

Obama has no scruples. Did he take a day off from killing in Iraq today? Of course not. Did he withdraw any troops that are guarding the Bush Drug Cartel's opium in Afghanistan? Of course not. Did he put a stop to the U.S.'s torture of people around the world? Of course not. What did he do today? He killed and tortured.

Oh, and he's getting the mob riled up on the home front. He meets Webster Tarpley's qualifications for being a true fascist--he's merging government and the private corporate sector into a fascist regime, and he has a grassroots following. Of course, the followers were brought onboard through deception (hypnotization), but they'll never know that. They've been too deeply brainwashed. So they're going to run around now transferring their insecurities onto "the Republicans" and push things until they start killing Republicans and justifying it because Republicans are against the government (Obama).

I sincerely hope you Obamanoids wake up, because "the Republicans" aren't the problem. Your good intententions are being used by a manipulator to do harm. The manipulator is the the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 09:28 PM

It is far more likely, GfS, that it will be Republicans killing Democrats than the other way around. We are in a truly scary point.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Lox
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 09:41 PM

I am getting sleepy ...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 09:55 PM

Of course, itchy, you disagree with the preacherman thing 'cause I'd doubt if you have sent much time in black churches, or playing and performing acoustic blues, both of which I have and I do...

As for manipulation??? Isn't teaching a form of manipulation??? Isn't selling a form of manipulation... Isn't the art of politics a form of manipulation??? I mean, when John Beohner did his "Hell, no" wasn't that a form of manipulation??? Hey, manipulation is everywhere... It's in soap powder ads... It is used to sell stomach relief... Headach releif... Cars, shirts... It's all manipulation...

I mean, even here, this very second I am trying to manipulate folks thinking just as you did, itchy, when you posted so let's not get all bent out of shape about folks trying to maipulate us... Lots of that manipulation is a good thing... If the stove is hot and I tell you not to touch it that is manipulation...

But, horrors... The president trying to manipulate US!!! Oughtta get the folks running and screaming theu the streets like in some 50s Japanese horror flick...lol...

As for Jerimiah Wright's being a cesspool... Hope yer not a Christain 'cause that's the kind of judgemental crap that really pisses off God... BTW, how much time did you spend in that cess pool before you discovered it was a cesspool... Oh??? None??? Geese, a little false witness there, God, to add to this persons blasphomy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 10:17 PM

Well, there's manipulation, and then there's criminal manipulation. What Obama did to get elected was criminal manipulation. And now, since he's waging unjust wars, he's a mass murderer. His actions are not defensible.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 10:35 PM

Mushroom clouds, uranium tubes, al-qeada connections, Niger, WMDs...

The list goes on and on.... Upwards of a million people died from Bush's manipulations... The cost of the Iarq invasion and occupation will far exceed 30 years of health reform but...

Ummmmmm, for the record... Which wars has Obama started that you consider to be "unjust", itchy??? I don't recall him starting any but, hey, maybe I was out mushroom huntin' or playin' blues in some juke joint when the war was called up, I donno... But, ya know... I do read the Washington Post an' I would think that I would have heard about any new wars... Oh yeah, the war on stupid Republicans... I forgot that one... Yeah, yer right... That is unjust... Well, maybe no unjust but silly... Yeah, it's silly callin' up a war when the folks yer gonna go to war against is allready at war amongst themselves... Know what I mean???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 11:44 PM

You're evading ichMael's point, Bobert, ol' pal...or you're just missing it entirely. He didn't say that Obama had started any wars. He said that Obama is "waging unjust wars", and that is absolutely correct. Obama is waging 2 unjust wars, the 2 wars that Bush started. That is the mass murder that ichMael is talking about.

He didn't say anything about Obama waging war on Republicans either. You don't seem to be reading ichMael with any great care, Bobert, because he isn't defending the Republicans! He regards both the Republicans and the Democrats as people who are waging unjust wars in the Middle East and defrauding the public in various ways.

I have to agree with him there, although I rather like Obama, personally speaking.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 26 Mar 10 - 11:54 PM

It is most unfortunate that you have posted, the processes, to my potentations promenance upon the mudcat.

For over a decade the wiccan women have swooned wanting, wiggling, for more words of wisdom.

Now ALL is revealed and the magic is gone.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Woe. I am undone. Mortal eyes are not supposed to see these things....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Amos
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 12:04 AM

IChmael, you must have deep brown eyes.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 03:22 AM

Yep. In it ankle deep. Upside down.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 07:40 AM

""Well, there's manipulation, and then there's criminal manipulation. What Obama did to get elected was criminal manipulation. And now, since he's waging unjust wars, he's a mass murderer. His actions are not defensible.""

Whadda matter Baby?

Pissed off because the nasty black man dodged all the repub dirty tricks and ambushes, and won, in spite of the rednecks intimidation of voters by wearing their guns to political meetings?

The only criminal manipulation was by the Repubs, and it failed.

Get over it!!

He beat you, and now he's getting on with the job.

What are your kind doing?....Bricks and Bullets through windows, and futile stonewall attempts to block new legislation.

Ask not what Obama is doing wrong. Ask what the Repubs are doing right.........Answer to both questions:- Not a damn thing!!

Then you will know who cares for America, and the American people.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 07:58 AM

That's about it, Don...

itchy even went on record of calling black church he has never stepped fott in a cesspool??? I mean, seems that is not only unGodly, as if he cares, but downright pre-judical... I mean, wouldn't someone have to have spent time somewhere before making such a pronouncement??? It's kinda like a guy who reviews resturants doing a review on something that he heard from one other individual about the resturant... Throw in a complete misunderstanding of the black culture, history and mix in stuff taken completely outta context, al la FOX/FIX news and you have some serious bigotry going on here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 12:54 PM

It's a shame that Democrats are so fixated on race. But then that's to be expected. Bill Ayers said America would have to undergo a race war, and he's now advising Obama. And Obama's mesmerising with his speeches, so of course he's driving his sheep toward race war. A pity.

HERE is a black preacher who's addressing the race issue in a unique way. Not sure what to make of him, but he's no Obama supporter. The affair he's talking about can be found described HERE.

Ten minute youtube video and a link to Amazon.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 01:31 PM

GfS, you should be ashamed of yourself. Sinclair's story has long been discredited. Don't tell us you believe him- so why do you pass it on?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 01:37 PM

Ahhh now I see your problem, lack of information and context.

allow me to enlighten...

No one knows where he was born.

He was born on Oahu in Hawaii. His biography says that, His birth certificate says that. His mother said that and the Republican Governor of Hawaii and John McCain have said that.



He was sent to Muslim schools in Indonesia,

He attended a public school in Indonesia for a couple of years which was mainly attended by Muslims. He also attend public school in Hawaii and a private Prep school in Hawaii. He attended a University in California, another in New York and did a Post Graduate Degree in the same University and G.W. Bush, The same Law school as the Clintons.


etc...he's no good ol' southern preacherman.

No he is not a preacherman. He is a politician.

True, he spent some time at Jeremiah's Wright's cesspool church and absorbed a lot of that extreme black hatred of whites,

Don't be silly. His mother was white, He was raised by Whites. His dad was not even American. He no doubt learned some things from Wright, But saying that he "absorbed hatred" is just silly.


and that "g-d-am America" sermonizing, but you can't put his speech mannerisms down to any of that. The speechifying is studied.

Of course his techniques are studied. That is what smart people do.

That's why he clams up when his teleprompter goes out.

No he doesn't, I have seen him on television and in person speak without a prompter. I have seen him in press conferences and I saw him make fools of the Republican Congressmen without a prompter. Don't underestimate him. He is obviously a lot more clever than you think.

His hypnotic paces and leads are marked out in the text and he won't speak unless he can stick to the script.

You overestimate the power of hypnosis. To the extent that it does work it is limited a small minority who are vunerable and even then it can't be used to command them to go against their nature.

I think that it is fair to say that anyone, if there is anyone, who has been hypnotized by Obama (or Bush) are hypnotized because they wanted to be. The most effective way to get people to follow it to tell them what they want to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Sawzaw
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 01:37 PM

Hey Bobert:

What is the difference between black people and white people?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 01:45 PM

As a professional hypnotist for 15 years and with over 10,000 clients, I found the 'argument' to persuade the reader to believe that Obama uses hypnotic techniques was more hypnotic than any speech Barak has ever made.

Effective communication, including music, will by the nature of the human mind will be hypnotic in once sense or another.

Using visualizations in communication will enhance meaning and comprehension. To suggest that is a bad or scary thing is (to borrow a phrase from one of the best communicator's on mudcat)
"a pile of bull shit 10 feet high".

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: DougR
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 02:25 PM

Bill D's contribution: "There are none so deaf as those who will not hear." I suppose that's the reason you will not tune in to Fox News Network, right?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 02:54 PM

Fox "News" Network is for those who do not want to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Lox
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 06:35 PM

And as if hypnosis wasn't enough ...

   ... Lip Syncing? ...



God Bless the Onion News Network!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 07:00 PM

First Ashlee Simpson.....

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 07:04 PM

Comes from preaching, an art practiced in the Black culture. It's a known style of communicating.


On thing, the GOP operates in fear and hate. "The party of hell no!"
Obama is the embodiment of optimism. "Yes we can".

I don't agree with everything Obama does but his tone is more refreshing than the
Cheney/Bush fear-mongering and disregard for the English language.

Obama can at least put a sentence together unlike Palin who sounds like
a Valley Girl (gag me with a spoon).

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 08:03 PM

So, itchy... Answer me this... How many times have you been in Reverand Wright's church??? I mean, I recall back in the 60's having my families church split down the middle over Vietnam and the minister fired for saying things that were purdy couaheous for those times... Had those been played on the air then alot of folks would have lined up to lynch the man... But many of us had known him for years and knew what kind of man he was and what was in his heart... That is what matters... Not a sound clip from one sermon outta hundreds, perhaps thousands, that he had given in that church... There is a lot more to minstry than sermons and Sunday... Those are part of the church community... There are the Wednesday night pot-luck suppers, the summer picnics, the fund raisers for communities in Thrd World countries, the prayer groups, Bible study, visitations of the infirmed, funerals, weddings, etc., etc... The church is a communtiy that cannot be judged by someone who has never stepped foot in that church...

You should be ashamed, itchy...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 27 Mar 10 - 11:40 PM

Darren Brown NLP video

Interesting video about the BMX bike. Brown convinces a man he wants a bike as a gift, when the man actually wanted something else.

Larry Sinclair on Obama

Forgot this Sinclair thing was on the internet.

I don't know what to make of Manning. Powerful clip. White people gonna riot. Long-legged Mack Daddy. Manning is either a govt shill trying to divide and instill fear, or he's sincere. He's addressing a black audience with that clip, and he's trying to warn blacks that Obama needs to be dealt with. Seems he's genuinely distraught about what's going on. Sinclair seems sincere too. He HAD to go public. If he'd kept quiet, he would have been killed. Now there's no need to kill him--his story is out in the open.

And meanwhile, Obama is currently destroying the Congressional Black Caucus. Liberal blacks are a threat to his fascism, so they have to go. Do an internet search for the Rense.com article. It gives precise details about what's going on. Obama and Emanuel are stripping the most influential blacks in congress of their powers.

But there is hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:06 AM

As a former #1 Sales Rep and mgr. for a Fortune 500 and also a sales trainer for that company, the Derron Brown thing is laughable. It uses elements of sales techniques but does a very poor job overall, Its a very bad variant on the "Magic Card" technique of controlling through questioning (which Brown does very poorly).

Now HERE'S something that needs no selling at all. Most folks around here can readily see that old icky is an ignofuckinramus!


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:22 AM

It is quite true that most people are not all that susceptible to hypnotism in a controlling sense, specially in the sense that they can't be hypnotized into doing something they don't want to. I have sat in audiences and seen professional hypnotism acts, and I've seen how repetitive phrases, music, and a certain form of speaking are used to induce a hypnotic trance in members of the public. I was among about 100 people out of an audience of thousands who volunteered and went up on stage as subjects for a very well known hypnotist...Reveen.

Well, it was fun. We all got up on the stage and he proceeded to suggest that we do various stuff...all applaud...all jog in position...and turn around...all laugh...and so on. And we did.

It was quite interesting how he went about doing it, but I never lost awareness that he was making the suggestions, and I was choosing to follow them, because:

1. it was fun to do it
2. I saw no reason to object to doing it

Eventually, however, he asked us to do something that I didn't particularly want to do, so I just stood there. Within moments I found an assistant tugging on my arm and I was directed back to my seat in the audience. And the same thing happened with most of the other 100 people in the next few minutes...they eventually decided they didn't want to follow some command, and were directed back to their seats.

Finally Reveen had narrowed it down to just 3 people, and it was quite evident that those 3 people had gone completely into a deep trance and had no idea any longer that they were standing on a stage being directed by a hypnotist. Reveen was then able to command those three people to do all kinds of weird and funny stuff...and to experience all kinds of imaginary realities which only they were aware of...and they clearly thought those realities were totally real. They had forgotten entirely that they were in an arena and they were unconscious of anything except what he told them to think about.

He did not ask them to do anything harmful or particularly embarrassing...as he could certainly be open to legal repercussions if he were to do that.

It was quite amazing how disconnected those people were until he ended their trances at prearranged signals which he had instructed them to respond to to end the trance. It was also quite clear afterward that they didn't remember any of it.

I spoke to one of those people, a young woman, after the show as she was leaving with her family. She clearly had not the slightest idea what I was talking about, and did not remember being hypnotized.

Now....this whole episode demonstrated something quite interesting. Only 3 out of about 100 people were so susceptible to hypnosis that they went into a deep trance and forgot about normal reality and became very malleable to the will of the hypnotist. That's significant. I do not think most people can easily be hypnotized.

What is easy to do, though, is to influence most people...to persuade them....providing they like you in the first place, providing you are a really good speaker, providing they like the way you look, providing you have charisma, providing you are famous, etc...

And all politicians do their utmost to influence and persuade people. That's their job. I don't call it hypnosis, but in some cases it can approach hypnosis. What a politician who is really good at it does is this: he taps into people's basic motivations. He either taps into negative stuff like fear, anger, resentment, hatred, "getting even", etc...

Or...he taps into positive stuff like pride, patriotic fervor, hope, faith in someone or something, treasured dreams, etc...

Again, I don't call that hypnosis, I call it influencing and persuading people. I'd much rather see people persuaded through positive motivations than through negative ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 12:34 AM

"Now....this whole episode demonstrated something quite interesting. Only 3 out of about 100 people were so susceptible to hypnosis that they went into a deep trance and forgot about normal reality and became very malleable to the will of the hypnotist. That's significant. I do not think most people can easily be hypnotized."

Keep in mind those people were self selected from a group of people who self selected by choosing to go to the show.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:14 AM

Maybe my next focus should be on self-hypnosis, or more properly, self delusion. Now if I could only find an example who claims to be a number # 1 salesperson, and a former world-class teacher, space cadet and so on.

Actually I think next I'll work up a piece on the role of television on hypnotism. I mean, PBS has you people convinced it's not government funded. That's some powerful juju.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: ichMael
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 01:22 AM

The Black Caucus thing is interesting. If I wanted to press on that nerve here, the Obamanoids would go into hysterical denial, as they did at the beginning of this thread when a crack began to develop in their programming. They could SEE, perhaps for the first time, exactly HOW they've been lied to, and the reaction was to revert to infantile thumbsucking and name-calling.

The Black Caucus thing would elicit the same response, if I hammered on it. Obama's brutalizing black men. The men who are most responsible for getting him where he is. And he's killing their careers. Why? I could do a beautiful hatchet job on him for that, and keep you folks posted as I did, and you would whimper and wet yourselves through the whole process. Say it ain't so, say it ain't so. You'd become feral in your name-calling and... You know the drill. Really not worth it. Just go to Rense.com and read all about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 02:32 AM

Good lord, man. Whatever has given you the idea that you- of all people and with your history - are smarter than the people here? It is laughable. And sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques
From: Acorn4
Date: 28 Mar 10 - 07:46 AM

I thought Obama's speeches were written by Bob the Builder!

"Can we fix it? Yes, we can!"