BS: Plastic Paddy comments

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Plastic Paddy Scouser)
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 05:52 AM

Jim,

Bit harsh on snakes.

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 06:50 AM

I could give a rat's ass if you take me seriously. mg

Why get so wound up about someone calling you a plastic paddy then? Let me refer you back to your opening post... "Let people have fun and don't call them" :-)

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 07:22 AM

In some ways it is a great compliment to the Irish people. How often do you hear of "Plastic Brits" or "Plastic Americans" .

The Irish are well liked the world over, sadly the same cannot be said for Americans or British.

St, Patrick's day is enjoyed throughout the world by many nationalities, Sadly St, George's Day seems to go unnoticed in Britain let alone anywhere else !

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Mar 11 - 07:41 AM

I find it quite ironic that St Patrick was an Englishman.
Well he was a Briton anway. Whether he lived in what is now Scotland, England or Wales is debated.

About the year 388 the singular piety of St Patrick, according to tradition, became so offensive to the devil, that he incensed the whole body of witches in Scotland against him. In a band they assailed the astonished saint, who fled towards the river Clyde, near the mouth of which he found a little boat, wherein he immediately leapt, and sailed for Ireland. It is well known that witches cannot cross a running stream in search of their prey; but these tore a huge fragment of rock from a neighbouring hill and hurled it after Patrick, taking, however, so bad an aim, that the mass fell harmless to the ground, and afterwards, with some additions from art, became the fortress of Dumbarton.

- C.K. Sharpe, A Historical Account of the Belief in Witchcraft in Scotland

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:47 AM

I once helped a mate dig a hole in his pub car park.

Does that make me a plastic paddy?

People who crave to be and faun over Brits are known as Anglophiles. (Bill Bryson being an excellent example.) At least plastic paddy doesn't sound all posh and intellectual.

Anyway, to be a plastic paddy, you cannot be Irish, so I fail to see who can be outraged by the term?

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 10:34 AM

You can and generally I think are Irish-American. To me it is equivalent to people calling others Oreos, Bananas, Apples etc., except it has an extra layer of ridicule. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 02:40 PM

The true patron saint of Scotland was St. Columba, an Irishman. Forget St. Andrew because he never went there and his Gaelic sucked besides! Columba, on the other hand spoke the language of Heaven fluently and brought early Christianity to the Celtic tribes of Britain. Plastic Paddy indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: Allan Conn
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:35 PM

"Columba, on the other hand spoke the language of Heaven fluently and brought early Christianity to the Celtic tribes of Britain."

I think that is a wee bit of an exaggeration though. Christianity was present among many of the tribes of Britain long before Columba arrived. Even in Scotland itself St Ninian's mission at Whithorn predates Columba by some way - and in Strathclyde the likes of St Kentigern (who's mother was also a saint) were basically contempories of Columba.

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: Allan Conn
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:54 PM

Ninian supposedly travelled from Whithorn to preach to the southern Picts (presumably in the Fife, Perthshire region). St Patrick in a later letter actually complains about the King of Strathclyde being allied to Scots and 'apostate' Picts.

Likewise Iona missionaries are often incorrectly attributed to bringing Christianity to the Anglian Northumbrians. Again the Northumbrians may have temporarily looked to and favoured that church but the religion was already present. Oswald with others had fled to Iona to escape from their rival Edwin who became King of Northumbria. Edwin along with thousands of his subjects were supposedly baptised by St Paulinus the Bishop of York and churches etc were built. when Edwin died the exiles returned and when Oswald became king he looked to Iona who had harboured him rather than to the Roman Church to the south who had been in league with Edwin.

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:56 PM

No argument there Allan but I am one who does not comprehend the arrival of Christianity as being an improvement on the teaching of the Druids!

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:10 PM

Was Kessog mentioned yet? I didn't see his name. In the Saint Andrew's
Day thread, there is a story about how he(Andrew) became the patron saint and his cross adopted as the flag.

I don't have connections to Ireland. I like their music, though. I see
it more as a religious holiday. In the R.C. church, the feast day of
every saint it acknowledged. If you go to daily mass, the preacher will say "Today we celebrate the feast of St. John the Baptist" for example.

Saint Patrick was a very successful Christian missionary. He may be
the most famous. In my opinion, the religious Irish people, as well as the diaspora mark his feast day to say "Thanks" for bringing Christianity to them. So do religious people, who don't have any connections to Ireland. They mark the feast of one of the most prominent missionaries of Christianity.

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:17 PM

I do not think that is the case at all in America U.S. Why would there be a parade? Everyone would be in church. Why would people wear green? It is partially a thumbing your nose type of thing..part of we could not do it in Ireland (wear green) so we will do it here. Part of it is celebrating surviving the famine, although parades etc. existed before famine. It is a way to collect people who are scattered. It is way more than religious holiday in America U.S. It was not a holy day for us, although it is in Ireland and at least parts of Canada. It was not a particularly religious day..in fact, religion was toned down more than any other day of the year. Like I said, lent was cancelled for the day. Friday I think was even cancelled..you could eat meat if I recall if it fell on Friday..the only other Friday was day after Thanksgiving. There were not special masses etc. that I can remember. It was a weakening of religious fervor rather than strengthening. Again, it was U.S. America. We all know they did it differently in Ireland did not sing McNamara's Band. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:56 PM

The other thing people remember about Columba is the raincoat, and how he used always turn back and say, 'Jest one more thing....'

Anyway, I think you're right. patron saint of Scotland. Scottish kids should be made to remember everything in the entire boxed set of dvds. If we don't make a positive effort in that direction, kids will grow up thinking Scottish history and culture started with Mel Gibson, and Aly Blain playing that bloody fiddle.