BS: help - I am starting to panic

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 02:14 PM

Latest news - heard nothing now for over a month, now got another one from Oxfordshire (same address as no 3) Again wrote not at this address, never at this address, and return to sender. Also wrote on the back of the envelope a polite request to correct their database, and confirm in writing that they have done so. Will keep all posted.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 05:10 PM

Will keep all posted.

Please don't bother.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Noreen
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:22 AM

You speak for yourself, Greg F. If you have no interest in the outcome,
a)why bother reading the thread
and
b)why waste your no doubt valuable time and energy posting something nasty?
Perhaps you could find something more productive to do with your life.


SPB-C: yes please, do keep us informed.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 09:22 AM

Hi, Norreen - Why? Perhaps because this thread is a solution in search of a problem & has been since its inception. The OP has been told repeatedly how to effectively address the situation & has refused to do so - and yet the whingeing continues.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Andrez
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:57 PM

I agree, wot Noreen said!

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Apr 15 - 04:27 AM

I'd be inclined to take photocopies of each letter as it arrives, and bring the original down to the local police station. If you explain that you've got a series of letters and fear that someone's using your address to build up a false identity, they'll tell you who to contact in the police department.
It could be some sinister scammer; on the other hand, it could also be an idiot student. Friends of mine in my youth, a bunch of drunken students, got a series of letters about library fines years later addressed to a name they did not recognise - until they realised that they'd registered the household cat for a library ticket. It could be something like this - but better safe than sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,SPB - At Work
Date: 07 Apr 15 - 07:43 AM

I posted an update as I was asked on 29th Mar what the latest news was. I am not panicking any more, nothing has escalated as far as I know, so it is all to me a matter of mild irritation of having to walk down to the post box to return the letter.

I am not forcing anyone to read the thread, and it may be useful if this happens to someone else in the future, and I would kind of like to know how two different police forces got my address when the licencing authority have stated categorically that the vehicle is not registered at my address so there is an on going data protection issue which I would like to have resolved too as there is a duty of care which owners of databases should be adhering to.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 07 Apr 15 - 12:20 PM

Good for you, SPB. I'm glad you are not allowing these people to alarm you anymore.

Are you sure you have to walk to the mailbox? Where I live, I can simply let the letter stick out of the mail slot with the stamp or a message ("Return to Sender") easy to see, and the letter carrier takes it away when new mail is delivered.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Crowhugger
Date: 07 Apr 15 - 12:44 PM

One way for the address to become connected with a name is for someone to do a credit check based on a false current address. Landlords are a good source since they may not require formal ID for current addy or know how to identify fakes. From then on everyone else checking that name + DOB + SSN/SIN (dunno what they're called in UK) will see that false address listed as current address, until the same name is checked again with a new address, then the old one gets bumped to past address. Not saying that's what happened, only that it could.

Subject: It never goes away
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 08:36 AM

The outcome of the above is that it did escalate to the Magistrates Court, got passed on to bailiffs, and having said bailiffs threatening to enter my home and seize goods. I had to throw my passport at him - which I considered an invasion of my privacy. I couldn't close my door as he had his foot in it.   Anyway, that was a few years ago.

Since then, every year or so I get new Intention to Prosecute letters through my door - from PO Box 510 DA15 0BQ, and each time it gets resolved by spending half a day making phone calls (at the expense of my time) and nothing has escalated since.

Last time this happened about a year ago, when I spoke to the powers that be, they informed me that whoever lives at the registered keeper's address has been giving my address as the driver's address - and before anyone asks Martin Rysio has never lived at my address, so however is giving my address is lying to the police. The upshot was that the police assured me that they will make a note on the case and that I would not receive any further correspondence.

Well, that was the case, until this morning.....

Yep, you've guessed it, another one has landed on my doormat which I will be returned unopened to the sender marked 'not at this address'.

This time round, as this is extremely annoying as noone should be subjected to continued harassment, I am planning to staple a CEASE AND DESIST letter, and a GDPR complaint and a formal FOI request to disclose who is wrongfully, and possibly illegally, giving my address to the police. I am wondering if I should address this personally to Cressida Dick.

As well as being extremely annoying, there is another concern, that Martin Ryzio is being allowed to drive dangerously without impunity - as this is the fourth or fifth time this is happened, surely by now he should be disqualified from driving.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 09:34 AM

I had something similar happen to me. Parking offence, car registered to my address etc. I called and wrote to the council who wanted me to prove the car owner didn't live here, I replied the burden of proof was on them. I kept copies of all correspondence. The debt collection agency appointed by the council contacted me, I sent them copies of the correspondence. A bailiff finally turned up on my doorstep. I repeated the story and showed him my letters and he was happy to take my word that the driver didn't live here. I haven't had any more problems since.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 09:48 AM

Someone uses my phone number, a cell phone I've had since the mid-1990s, on at least one of their accounts. Mostly I get collection calls and most recently this guy apparently owns a house that the gaggle of "I Buy Ugly Houses" folks want to buy. There isn't a remedy that I can find to get them to quit calling. It's when mail arrives that the Interwebs show how disturbing they can be, even though someone who manages to connect the phone number with a street address has to see that that other name isn't on the address.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:03 AM

The one who turned up on my doorstep was aggressive, stroppy and accused me of lying.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:35 AM

Yup. Doing their job. What a total PAIN for you, though.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:51 AM

Not really, as their job is to take enforcement action against the plaintiff, not to turn up my doorstep even though I have informed them that the plaintiff has no connection whatsoever to my address.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 11:20 AM

There is a problem for the bailiff, who may not have done the due diligence himself. He doesn't know the person, or what he looks like. AND when he does go to a correct address, imagine what the person is going to say? When their chosen (or even stolen) possessions are about to be all taken and sold for whatever price the bailiff thinks they are worth. Imagine sitting on the bare floor, and how you would connive.

Bailiffs meet a lot of con men, desperate people, and out and out crooks. Maybe they have learned to come on strong immediately. They are ahead of you.

It is not easy to respond other than be frightened. But if you had the ability to laugh at them, you would be ahead of them. Something that is possible if you don't have to spend thinking time making up stuff.

I only had to deal with telephone calls within the 18 months after moving in to my house, the previous incumbent had left debts, probably incurred by his ex-wife - subsequent events rather pointed that way.

Subject: it never goes away, but not panicking.
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 01:11 PM

The fact that the Bailiff hasn't done his/her research is his or her problem. When it happened 5 years ago, I just shouted very loudly that
the was incompetent and asked very loudly what part of the sentence "HE has never lived here and I have no idea who the person is" that he was TOO STUPID to understand. So in the end passport at him that I didn't ACCIDENTLY take his eye out. Unfortunately I do not have the physical build to use reasonable violent force, so he got off lightly.

And to this point I have never received a written apology from his company for their criminal incompetence.

Fortunately, further incidences have not escalated to that level, but if it does in the future, I think I will just ring emergency services and ask to the police as I am being threatened on my doorstep. But I have no intention, apart from writing a "Cease and Desist" notice to the police service of wasting any more of my time following up correspondence apart from return to sender - not at this address on the letters, and if that result in escalation and harassment by bailiffs, I will be mentally prepared.

Anyway I'm getting very self-rightious here.....

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: leeneia
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 02:09 PM

No, you are not being self-righteous. In America, we call this getting up on our hind legs. Before you were frightened, now you are indignant. I think that's a good thing, but I hope if you actually have another bailiff on your doorstep, that you will remain polite but firm.

I used to work retail, and the company educated us that an angry customer is likely trying to put something over. (A customer who has made an honest mistake is apt to be flustered and apologetic, not angry.) The bailiffs may also believe that an angry person is likely a dishonest person.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 05:48 PM

SPB said: "I would kind of like to know how two different police forces got my address when the licencing authority have stated categorically that the vehicle is not registered at my address so there is an on going data protection issue which I would like to have resolved too as there is a duty of care which owners of databases should be adhering to."

This may not be relevant in the UK but for a time it was possible in our state for unethical self serving low-lifes to submit a statutory declaration advising that another person at a different address was responsible for speed camera and parking offenses etc. (This only worked on camera and parking offenses etc because otherwise the police officer dealt with the offender in person.) They got away with this trick for a while until the powers-that-be decided to change the rules. Another trick was to go to the motor registry and submit a change of address on the vehicle registration or driver's licence account. That is what I suspect has happened to you.

Usually the state government department would deal properly with the issue when the targeted victim notified them.

When all else fails it's a good strategy to contact your MP and provide the details of what has happened, what actions you have taken, copies of relevant documents, and a request for action to be taken on your behalf. The MP can diplomatically lean on the relevant department/s. The only advice I would give on that strategy is not to go to the MP until you have tried other avenues and had no success. You appear to be at that stage now because this has continued to occur for over six years and, as you suggest, this person is repeatedly getting away with unlawful behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 06:06 PM

My MP is a good friend, and I have worked extensively on her election campaigns. If things escalate again, I might call in a favour, especially as I mentioned in my Cease and Desist letter that for now on I will be keeping photographic copies of all the envelopes that arrive before I send them back. It is easy to find out who they are from by googling the postcode.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 10:05 AM

Mr Red, even they encounter people who are lying, this does not allow them to harass people who are not, and that is what getting people out of bed at 7am in the morning is.

Imagine someone is executed in America because they are accused of being someone else - would you think that being murdered by a hangman would be acceptable? OK I am grossly exaggerating, but the principle is the same. Read julius Ceasar : http://shakespeare.mit.edu/julius_caesar/julius_caesar.3.3.html

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 May 21 - 11:45 AM

Another police letter (fourth in this cycle) has been sent to Martin Ryzio, c/o my address. Duly photographed, returned to sender this time with a reminder that they are in breach of the PROTECTION FROM HARASSMENT ACT 1997 written on the envelope.

Let's see how long it will be before the courts and bailiffs waste my time. AGAIN   Who knows, maybe the message will get through to them this time. I am definitely not going to waste any more time on the phone repeatedly sorting it out when every time Ryzio is caught speeding the whole cycle starts again.

(1)A person must not pursue a course of conduct—
(a)which amounts to harassment of another, and
(b)which he knows or ought to know amounts to harassment of the other.

2Offence of harassment.
(1)A person who pursues a course of conduct in breach of [F1section 1(1) or (1A)] is guilty of an offence.
(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or both.

Subject: Not Panicking, just p****d off.
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 May 21 - 11:46 AM

Forgot to change the subject header.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: meself
Date: 20 May 21 - 12:17 PM

Just read this whole thread - I can skip my daily dose of Kafka ... !

Subject: RE: BS: hell- I am starting to PICNIC
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 21 - 12:43 PM

YOU LUCKY BASTARD. Some people serve a life sentence over mistaken identity. ;*/



















































































































































































































































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Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 20 May 21 - 04:27 PM

Well, I will just remind you of what I said on 28 Nov 20 - 05:48 PM.

If it worked the first time for your nemesis Martin Ryzio or the person nominating a fictional "Martin Ryzio" for offences, then he will just keep using your address. In his case, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Your address may not be the only one being used.

If the actual perpetrator of the camera offences is sending in statutory declarations nominating a fictional person named "Martin Ryzio" who supposedly lives at your address then that person is breaking the law, a repeat offender. There are official and legal processes which can be undertaken to investigate those offences of submitting false stat decs.

If sending the letters back RTS hasn't worked, send another letter to the Police, or talk to a solicitor, or talk to your MP, or send the whole saga to the media. Whatever it takes. This has been an ongoing saga since November 2014. The only way it will cease to be an issue for you is a) you move to a new address and the problem passes to the next resident at your current address, or b) the issue is dealt with through official and/or legal processes.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 21 - 07:12 PM

What Helen said. Have your lawyer sue for pain and suffering and all moving costs.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 May 21 - 08:15 PM

On the previous cycle, after long phone calls I got the police to take my address of their records for the case, and was left alone for a year or so.

The fact that they gave not checked their records for the previous offence before sending out the correspondence is just sheer incompetence. All they have to do is carry out a manual review of every offense carried out by Ryzio.

Also, all the police (and courts and bailiffs) need to check all names and addresses on statutory declarations back with electoral registers, land registries, and tenancy agreements before sending out ANY correspondence. if they can't be bothered to spend a couple of hours on basic checks then they are incapable of doing their job properly.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 20 May 21 - 08:56 PM

If you want to keep getting these letters year after year, I guess it's your call.

But if it was me, knowing enough about how these things work here in Oz, I'd be taking it further. There are strict legal processes and procedures. The actual issuing of a camera related penalty is a fairly mundane process. It probably doesn't require checks on the address of the owner of the registered vehicle. If a statutory declaration has been submitted nominating a supposed driver who lives at a supposed address, it probably only becomes an issue when someone like you notifies the relevant department that there is a problem and supplies as much supporting information and hopefully documentation as possible to aid their effective investigation. If the problem shows repeated behaviour by a possibly dodgy person over a number of years, believe me they will want to know about it. There could be legal action taken if it is shown that this is deliberately dodgy behaviour in an attempt to evade the law of the land.

It's your call, but if you choose not to take a proactive stance then I see very little reason to continue to tell us about the repeated events in this thread, which is nearly 7 years old. It will keep on happening.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 20 May 21 - 09:45 PM

Example of an Australian conviction:

"Marcus Richard Einfeld (born 22 September 1938) is a former Australian judge who served on the Federal Court of Australia and was the inaugural president of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission. In retirement, he served two years in prison after being convicted of perjury and perverting the course of justice.[1]

.........

"In 2006, Einfeld was issued a A$77 speeding ticket for travelling 10 km/h (6.2 mph) over the limit. He appealed the ticket, claiming that he had not been driving. Journalists subsequently discovered that he had made a number of false statements under oath; the woman he had said was driving had in fact died several years earlier. Einfeld was arrested in 2007, and the following year pleaded guilty to perjury and perverting the course of justice. He was sentenced to three years' imprisonment. As a result of his actions, Einfeld was expelled from the legal profession and stripped of many of the honours he had previously accumulated, including his status as a Queen's Counsel, appointment of the Order of Australia, and his status as a National Living Treasure.

.......

"He contested the ticket in Downing Centre Local Court by claiming he had on that day lent his car to an old friend, Professor Teresa Brennan, who was visiting from the United States.[12][36][34] By making his claim Einfeld was avoiding a A$75 fine, and avoiding losing three of his four remaining demerit points.[36][34] [20][28] He gave evidence under oath in the Local Court, and signed a statutory declaration to that effect, and the magistrate dismissed the charge as "not proved."[12] However, a junior reporter for the Sydney daily tabloid The Daily Telegraph filed a brief story which caught the attention of assistant editor Michael Beach, who discovered that Brennan had died in the United States three years before Einfeld claimed she had been driving his car, and on Beach's instruction the reporter called Einfeld to obtain his reaction.[34] This was the basis for Einfeld's later conviction for knowingly making a false statement under oath.[30][37]"

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 20 May 21 - 09:52 PM

and:

"On 23 July 2009, the New South Wales Court of Appeal ordered that Einfeld's name be struck out from the roll of lawyers.[56] On 28 August 2009, the Court of Appeal delivered its reasons for making those declarations and orders,[56] finding proven allegations that, in addition to the 2006 statutory declaration in respect of which he had been convicted, Einfeld had ***also sworn a series of statutory declarations in 1999, 2003, and 2004 falsely nominating other persons as the drivers of his car who he knew had not been driving the car so as to avoid traffic infringements***.[57] Einfeld agreed not to apply for re-admission.[58]"

(Note: My asterixes added)

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 21 May 21 - 01:15 PM

Sorry to go on about this, but one question: in the UK are speed camera penalty notices issued by and administered by the Police or by a government department or an organisation which the government has contracted to administer the fines? A quick Google seems to show a government department.

If it isn't the Police who issue and/or administer the fines, you would need to write your letter to the government department or other organisation and ask them to investigate the issue. If that's the case, the Police would have filed it under "F" for "future reference" (maybe) or more likely "forget about it". :-D

The approximate dates of receiving the letters and also the visit from the bailiff are all in this thread. Also it would help to mention how long you have lived at your current address before stating that the person named on the notices has not lived there in that time. If I am writing an official letter, after stating my issues, I always write a short paragraph at the end with a request for the action I would like them to take, e.g. cease and desist sending the notices to your address, and also you could suggest that they investigate the circumstances surrounding the use of this person's name at your address to see if anyone has used your address for dishonest or illegal reasons.

You probably won't ever find out the complete true story but you should be able to get them to cease and desist sending the notices to your address.

They may ask you to send a certified copy of your identification documents. It might be helpful to phone their contact centre to find out if there is anything they require to speed up the processing of your letter.

Good luck!

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 May 21 - 09:51 AM

Hi Helen

It is part of the metropolitan police, but probably staffed by civilian workers.

As sending back letters marked not/never have been known at this address/cease and desist, and long phone calls only seeming to temporarily resolve issues until the next time Ryzio gets caught on a speed camera, I am now drafting a strongly worded letter spelling out (1) the nature and extent of my grievance, and (2) a request for a full explanation why a simple, and extensive list of verification checks were not carried out before writing to my address. (eg checking the name against the electoral role, passport records, driving licence records, utility contracts etc.) and a curtesy copy of everyone I can think to email or cut and paste to (eg my MP, my ward Councillors, this thread, facebook neighbourhood forums, local press, national press, local/regional radio. I also intend to request a full investigation as to how my address has found its way onto their records (and reappeared after verbal assurance that I would not hear anything in the future), and details of what disciplinary actions will be taken regarding this gross dereliction in duty of care, and against whom), reminder to self = curtesy copy to Unison which is likely to be the employee's trade union. Possibly also a written cc to the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police so although it is unlikely it will reach Cressida Dick's in tray, the escalation would still be put on record. Maybe also to the London Mayor who the Commissioner is accountable.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 22 May 21 - 10:16 AM

well done!

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 22 May 21 - 02:11 PM

Yay! I'm impressed!

I was expecting you to tell me to go jump in the lake for harassing you, but seriously, putting it in writing and sending it to the appropriate authority should mean that the issue cannot be ignored or shoved under the rug especially if you add your **CC list** at the bottom of the letter.

I worked in a few government departments over the years. I have seen the power of a well written letter sent to the right place(s). I have also seen how easily verbal complaints can be ignored.

One suggestion, though, would be to say that you are prepared to take it to the media if you are not satisfied with their response. That will give them some time to investigate and take appropriate action. Taking it to the media is a last resort, in my opinion.

Good luck.