BS: Original intent of healing circle

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Dave Swan
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 08:57 PM

We have never rung in on one of these discussions....until now. Peter, you have said it ALL.

Thank you.

Dave & Pam

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Bert
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 09:01 PM

That Peter T sure does have a way with words. And good thoughts to go with 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 09:23 PM

Aw to hell with you Peter!!! Yeah, sure, you turn a nice phrase, but what of the fockin' HERON!!! I ask you, how do you sleep at night knowing he's out there and travelling the lonesome road of life in a Waylon outfit....Scorned by his own kind....Rusty strings on his little Telecaster!!! Off with you man...and may your soul be ever burdened by the injustices you have wrought.

(well stroked Peter)

Spaw - One of the ones not mentioned to the neighbors

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 09:30 PM

Spaw what does 'well stroked' mean. Seriously, I don't understand the saying? Is it the stroke of a pen?

Peter, your posting is so wise.
Maybe I should become Banjo Buddha Bonnie. I'll change my tuning and come up with a few monk chants.
I think I would look good in orange.

BB

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 09:50 PM

OH GAWD NO BONNIE....NOT THE ORANGE ROBES....YOU'LL BURST INTO FLAME!!!!! (yeah, I know, I'm goin' straight to all the hells)

"Well Stroked" is a kind of double meaning compliment as in the stroke of a pen AND the "stroke" of the .....uh,..."male member." And BTW....the 3-D reference in the tuning threads refers to all the tunings which have three "D's" in them and the glasses as in the movies....you know, the little paper jobbies with one red and one green lens so the movie looks 3 dimensional??? So when someone starts up about a tuning with three "D's" in it, I always make a dumbass wisecrack about "Its Ok, but I can't stand the glasses."

Sorry.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 10:02 PM

Yes, Peter, what you've said is very true about this place--generally--but in this particular thread and the one it was intended to explain, that tolerance was sorely lacking in many of the posts...

And thanks, Spaw, for lightening things up a bit. And Embo, everyone is a member of the gang of 12--except it's been disbanded, which was hard to do since it never really existed. And if you can understand that--he said, pulling the cigar out from under the painted-on moustache--you're a better man than I.

--seed (the gang of one, now accepting membership applications)

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 10:07 PM

Charles can I join your gang?

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 10:10 PM

TWO

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Micca
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 11:05 PM

Spaw, apart from the synonym for a crafty sherman, or dating Mrs Palm and her 5 daughters, I think "well stroked" is from rowing where the stroke oar gives the timing to the others in the boat. Can't you just see Bonnie, in orange, chanting and playing a Zen banjo(No strings?) or is it a Shamisen?

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 11:14 PM

Also true cousin.....And don't you just love listening to the calls of the coxswain???

And no......We'll have to go through another name change with her----Buddha Bonnie Zen Banjo or something.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Micca
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 11:31 PM

Hey 'Spaw I suppose we must be sorta couzins, sheeeeeit,( bugger its starting to work)That name, Buddha Bonnie Zen Banjo Little Neo III of Toronto is beginning to sound like the names they give pedigree animals at Crufts etc. and I think she's much too nice for that( in my best Uriah Heep style) mind you what an acronym, it probably means something in Polish or Welsh NOI( the only two languages I know that dispense with vowels)**BG**

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 05 Jan 00 - 11:53 PM

Fooled me,Spawser. I thought it was a term used by Crosby after Hope(or was it Stills?) popped the pill out of a sunken bunker on the 12th at Augusta, during the filming of The Road to South Philly. "Well stroked, Junior. Now, Doctor, if you'll kindly allow me to trade this single malt for a pitching wedge, I'll be on my merry way."

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 12:03 AM

And again true....and now it also strikes me (with a stroke of genius) that it also works for the computer terminal, as in keystroke. Becoming one HELL of a compliment isn't it?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: lloyd61
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 12:38 AM

Kat, thanks for this interesting thread.

I have a few questions?

1. Kat what is the source of your faith? What do you consider as the final authority of your faith?

2. Seed you said, "It seems to me as a Christian/Hindu/Buddhist/Shinto/Baha'i/etc.", what is the source of this faith? What do you consider the final authority of your faith?

It order for me to believe in something I need a source and an authority. Whitout this I would drift around living by feelings only.

As a teenager, 45 years ago, I found the source of my faith. With that source came a book that has become the final authority of that faith.

About healing, "Lift the spirt of a person and healing will follow". The person body may not be healed but their spirit may be healed. My brother died of Cancer, His body lost the battel but his spirit "sored" until the end. Don't tell me everyones prayers, love or good will did not heal his spirit, I saw it happen.

When I sing "the Rose", I sing it as a memory of my brother. The last first could have been written with Ron in mind. That song is Healing for me.

Kat, stay the course.

Lloyd

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Escamillo
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 01:25 AM

Regarding religion, I'm only one of the most unsignificant and respectful followers of Jesus from Nazareth as a MAN, not as any divine entity, and don't beleive in energies or forces or astrology or alternative medicine. Then I absolutely adhere to Peter T's opinion. I've recently posted for help and a prayer for Venezuelan people, and I will fervorously accept a prayer or healing for myself or my beloved ones, the day I need them. Just because they come from PEOPLE like you and me. And if you see the list of threads, you'll find 95% music or more. Thanks to all for sending greetings to my son Mariano who was alone in Caracas in Christmas an NYE.
Best wishes to all EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WORK - Andrés :)

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 03:37 AM

Lloyd, I look for truth everywhere--your book, other books, the wisdom of my friends, my experience, science--wherever I find reason and comfort. I know you are a good person--I appreciate your prayers for my friend--and I am sure you feel your goodness is a result of your faith. I don't question that.

--seed

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Jake Lindstrom
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 04:45 AM

I think the original intent of the thread was to respect someone's choice for privacy - to not be on display in a specifically named thread exposing details of an illness or other crisis for just anyone to read - but who still would welcome the encouragement and support privately through e-mails or personal messages. Kat is a very caring, compassionate individual and is to be praised for her ability to recognize and provide for the needs of others. I don't think this is about religion at all. It is about people caring about people. If it were me, I would not want my situation, well meaning as it may be, in a thread available to the comments of just anyone. Rather I would not mind at all hearing privately from those who might want to wish me well or offer support, encouragement or hope. It would be perfectly appropriate for Kat and/or one or two others to serve as conduits and receive private requests for support and to pass those requests on privately to those willing to respond to someone in need privately. There is no need for anything to be public if the recipient wishes to remain private. But the good that can come from knowing that others genuinely care, one person to another, is priceless. Keep this simple and to the purpose for which it was intended - helping someone through a difficult time.

Jake

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 07:23 AM

Jake, you have made a very good point.
Kat, if I can be of any help through personal messages or email please feel free to contact me.

Lloyd, I feel much the same way as what Charles has posted. My source of faith comes from many things. The final authority comes from my heart.

I have receive bundles of loving kindness from Katlaughing and I am very greatful to have such a caring friend as Kat in my life.

Bonnie

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 08:57 AM

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 09:31 AM

No amount of belief can create a fact. However,if it makes you feel better, isn't that enough?

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 10:44 AM

No amount of facts can create a belief.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Paul G.
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 01:50 PM

To Clare S....Any physician worth his/her salt will tell you that healing in an art, not a science. Science is the physciologic basis, the palate, from which the artist works. I work with medical doctors every day. My clinic cares for kids with cancer, juvenile diabetes, cystic fibrosis, AIDS, cerebral palsey, and every other debilitating, nasty illness of childhood. I observe on a daily basis the miracles of medicine and the men and women who direct them. I also observe on a daily basis the power of prayer, a good thought, a kind word, or just a caring glance in the lives of these children and their families. Without the strength of spirit to which this community regularly contributes, the artist has no canvas upon which to paint his/her miracles. I am not a person of great religious faith -- probably a product of my mixed Lutheran/Jewish heritage. I believe in what I can hear, see and touch. I have seen many times over the healing of a childs, or families spirit by the grace of of a community. For me, that is real.

pg

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: clare s
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 03:08 PM

Paul G, (and others)

Looking back at my previous posts, I obviously didn't express myself as clearly as I might have, or probably should have.

To point out that 'physciologic' is not actually a word, is perhaps immaterial. To point out the true medical nature of some of the conditions which you consider as being 'illness' would perhaps be churlish.

I would however like to make a few points:

So far as we can know, throughout history, there have been 'healers,' people have prayed to whatever god(s) they have chosen to place faith in, have consulted the 'wise' and have wished that those close to them would not suffer. Of course there is (at face value)nothing wrong with this, and it is perhaps a fundamental part of human nature.

Over the last 200+ years, average life expectancy has increased dramatically. I do not believe that there has been any great increase in the number of 'healers' or any advance in the number of people thinking 'healing thoughts.' (apart from the overall increase in global population)

There have however been huge medical / scientific advances. These advances are the reason behind increased life expectancy, not positive vibes.

I do not in anyway disagree that love and knowing that people care for a patient, and believe that the patient will get well, may have a positive effect on recovery. Indeed, various studies suggest that 'belief' can play an important part in the likelyhood of conquering various cancers etc. This is not to say that these vibes have had some 'magical' effect, the medical treatment did that bit...

As an analogy: Two guys who are equally qualified and well suited, go for interviews for the same job. The 1st guy's current boss tells him how wonderful he is, how well suited he is for promotion etc. The 2nd guys boss tells him how terrible he is, how he'd be lucky to keep his current position....

Guess who gets the job?

So, what's my problem with 'healing circles?'

On face value, nothing. And they may superficially do some good. However, I believe that they can be very dangerous. Beyond the possibe benefits that I've outlined above, such beliefs are only likely to increase heartache and pain through believing in god or human inspired 'miracles' which never materialise.

Take care, and thanks for listening.

Clare

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From:
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 04:27 PM

Clare,

you say ...I believe that they can be very dangerous... yes, but so can the medical treatment!

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: clare s
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 04:34 PM

Anon,

I cut my last paragraph short as I thought that I'd written enough. On retrospect, perhaps I should have explained further.

In response to your message, I'd simply say that if I was suffering from some serious ailment, I'd prefer a scientifically trained doctor than any amount of hope and good wishes.

Clare

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Bert
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 04:47 PM

Sorry for the anonymous posting, I was using a different browser. I'm Bert.

Yes we go to the doctors but they are not always that good. When my second wife was dying from Lymphoma, she had one doctor treating the growth as obesity and putting her on a diet and another giving her poison ivy ointment for the skin lesions.

I just wish we'd had Kat and her healing circle behind us back then. At least we wouldn't have felt so alone and helpless.

So, I'm going to send my best wishes to everyone who needs them, they can't do any WORSE than those two quacks. And at least it'll make ME feel better than leaving my friends to suffer alone.

Bert.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 04:49 PM

None of us were advocating NOT seeking out whatever medical help one might need; so far as I know, none on here subscribe to the Christian Scientist beliefs which shun such.

I don't believe that it is ever that black and white. Wyo Woman's newspaper just carried a story about a baby in our town. This baby was born last summer with a serious heart defect. There were no good options; surgery might not work, it could even kill her; meds would work for a short time and then they would have to seriously look at surgery or death.

There's much more to it than that, BUT what the article focussed on was that despite nothing medically being done to reverse or repair this very real, physical, life-threatening defect, the heart began to mend itself. She is now home for the first time since birth and doctors say she will be able to participate in a normal life. Even the DOCTORS are calling THAT a miracle. They have no explanation.

Our minds are quite powerful. Didn't Jesus say something to the effect of "As you believe, so shall it be?"

Respectfully,

katlaughing

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: lamarca
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 04:58 PM

This has been a very interesting discussion, with many excellent points made. I find myself most in agreement with Jake Lindstrom; the issue that bothers me most about "Healing Circle" threads is not religious, but privacy related.

Folks, everything we post here is visible to anyone in the whole world with access to the Internet. I think that the well-wishers of the Healing Circle need to remember that discussion of a third party's medical or emotional condition WITHOUT their express consent on the World Wide Web is a grievous breach of privacy.

I think Kat's idea of establishing a Private e-mail circle of multi-faith individuals who would like to dedicate their thoughts, prayers and good wishes for those in need is a good one. People who want to contact the Healing Circle could just post a thread saying "Healing Circle help wanted", giving their E-mail or personal Mudcat addresses in the thread body to contact for details. That way, Kat and other folks who want to help will still get the request, but we won't have public discussions of other peoples' private traumas.

I'm a molecular biologist in the medical field. I don't know whether prayer and healing energy are effective, but I don't think anyone in this group is advocating that any of the people they wish well can get better or solve their crises solely by relying on the Healing Circle. As the old joke about chicken soup goes "It couldn't hurt!" Giving someone a stack of warm messages of support and love to help them through a hard time is a compassionate and charitable thing to do - exposing their hard time to the whole world, however, is not. Let's try to move the Healing Circle communications to the private world of E-mail and personal messages.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 05:14 PM

For the record, phoaks: I do NOT want to be the one responsible for faciitating the Healing Circle. It was an idea and/or suggestion. If someone contacts me, as lamarca suggests, I will be happy to help, but I do not want to carry the ball.

Thank you for your understanding.

katlaughing, who uses that because there IS another Kat who posts ocassionally.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: clare s
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 05:53 PM

lamarca,

whoever you are, I think you display a good deal of intelligence

i'm fairly new here and having watched for a while, this is the first lengthy thread that I've followed and contributed to

the only conclusion that I can arrive at, is that, even though our reasons are as diverse as we are individual, no one thinks that 'healing circle' threads are appropriate here

Clare

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Paul G.
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 06:43 PM

Thanks you, Clare , for pointing out my erroneous vocabulary, immaterial though it was. As was subsequently pointed out, no one here, that I am aware of, has flatly rejected the value of traditional medicine, simply the utilization of complimentary/alternative intervention on a different level.

Lamarca's comments are on the money as well. My only point is...that if someone asks, I'm there...if only, as Bert notes, to let them know they are not alone.

Welcome to the 'cat Clare...I look forward to your contributions to some of our less controversial threads.

Paul

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: clare s
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 07:17 PM

Hope we can all remain friends.

Maybe I'm a bit slow, but have just realised that my last message said pretty much what Katlaughing said in his/her message that started this whole thing off!

funny how the circle turns around...

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 07:26 PM

I'd point out that the posting of a request still constitutes a thread. I know I'm just a buffoon, but I think a thread with a request for e-mail is still a thread is it not? Therefore I must also assume that the phrase regarding the INappropriateness of healing circle threads must be meant with the best intentions to say that discussions of the "situation" are somehow found not wanted, but its OK to ask for e-mail info???? Do I have it now? Is that it? In other words, A needs help. B posts a thread saying to send to some e-mail for details. C thru O can then write and get the info and send back their whatever. Do I have it?

Just curious.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Little Neophyte
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 07:29 PM

Oy, Catspaw you lost me. But what you typed seemed so important.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 07:33 PM

Clare S (and anybody else), re remaining friends, as far as I am concerned, although I might have dissagreed with a few people in this debate, the idea of not being friends had not even occured to be. I think that you will find the same with just about everybody here.

Jon

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Banjer
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 07:34 PM

I still don't take kindly to being told that my beliefs, which obviously don't match anothers', are ABSURD....To me that is a sign of intolerance. I may disagree with someone's position on any given issue, but I won't be obnoxious or rude enough to tell them they are absurd. I happen to have more respect for the opinions of others. I'm sorry, but I cannot accept that. Especially from someone that hasn't been around that much yet. She wasn't around in May when we were all sweating bullets on a daily basis while Catspaw was hanging by a thread. But if you ask him he will tell you that knowing we were all concerned about him made him feel better. It may not have helped him to heal physically, but just our contact with him made his ordeal much more bearable. He knew je wasn't alone....And NO, I won't go away....

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: kat/katlaughing
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 07:34 PM

LOL, Spaw!

Actually Clare, it isn't that I don't think they are appropriate; it's that others don't. This thread will hopefully lead to some sort of compromise.

Have to say I agree with Spaw, though. Seems it would get a little confusing, plus once a thread is started, there is no holding the Mudders back; they will post even if you ask them not to.

Welcome, Clare, thanks for jumping in.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: _gargoyle
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 08:53 PM

Kity Meowing - I do NOT want to be the one responsible for faciitating the Healing Circle.

My maternal grandmother used to say:

If not you? Who?

If not now? When?

This is pathetic!!!

Exactly, WHAT HAVE BEEN YOUR MOTIVES?

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: lloyd61
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 09:17 PM

While I believe in prayer for the healing of the mind, body and spirit, I also find lighting a candle helps me focus on a need.

There is a very old Gospel song, " When you pray, will you pray for me, will you mention my name in your prayers." I haven't thought of that song in over 50 years. Thanks for prodding my memory.

Lloyd61

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: sophocleese
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 10:22 PM

Given some thought to this one. Is it ritual or not? I'd say its the beginning of ritual. You are creating a structure to contain, encourage and control an emotional and spiritual event. In doing this the language used to convey feelings and thoughts is shifted somewhat. Sorry Micca I did not post to the thread about your illness, glad to hear you're better. I find it easier to respond to Seed saying he has friend who is very sick and he's worried than I do to an invitation to join a healing circle to send thoughts towards a sick person. The healing circle is one level of abstraction away from the personal and the immediate. Asking for help because of desperate and life threatening illness is one thing, to set up and discuss a contingency group to do what is already done by members of this group anyway seems superfluous.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: clare s
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 11:08 PM

Banjer seems a bit of a miserable git. Is he always like that?

Lighten up Banj!

Clare

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Lenny
Date: 06 Jan 00 - 11:22 PM

The last few days have been informative and entertaining on Mudcat. I don't think theres a need to eliminate any people's threads or ideas, just maybe try to keep a balance. Perhaps if a thread is started, the original poster could wait for a few replies rather than commenting on each on individually. There is a lot of emotional caring around here, and it's very attractive to new people, but it won't thrive without music and laughter. There is lots of that right now. Thanx.

Len Evans

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 12:26 AM

Clare, Banjer was right. You came in on a discussion between friends and announced your presence by telling everyone that they were stupid...you seem to have changed your tone as the thread went on, and even, to an extent, your earlier stance that psychology had nothing to do with healing (there have been studies on the psychological differences between those who survive and those who succumb to cancer: optimism and a fighting spirit were stronger in the survivors than in the dearly departed.

We do have a sense of humor around here (I'm amazed you haven't been humorously trashed by Catspaw yet).

--seed

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Jiminy Crickett & Miss Manners
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 12:41 AM

Clare S and Gargoyle

You were supposed to check your flamethrowers at the door, not your conscience and manners!

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Mary G
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 02:25 AM

well if we are voting I think it is a great idea and it is certainly no problem to skip over posts you are not interested in...and there is a great connection between music and healing...and there has been some research (I can't say offhand how scientifically sound it is..) about how prayers for people, even people who didn't know they were being prayed for, hence no placebo effect, had some benefit...I say go for it..

mg

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Banjer
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 05:22 AM

"Lighten up Banj!"???? Clare comes into what many of us consider our cyber-community, tells us what we believe in is ABSURD and when I take a stand has the unmitigated gall to compare me to a 'miserable git.' Not in my house, my dear!! If anyone cares to take time to trace back my postings one would see I am usually on the side of merriment and fun. I love a good joke, don't mind some of the bad ones, and will use puns wherever they present themselves...BUT, coming into MY house and telling ME how stupid my beliefs are will raise my hackles.
In spite of her obvious lack of consideration for the thoughts of others I still welcome Clare to this little community, but rest assured I WILL NOT change my thoughts based on her attacks and will certainly not "go somewhere else and leave us folkies to discuss music," as suggested in her opening salvo.

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: llama
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 08:40 AM

The power of healing is mystical and real. I find it when I play my fiddle...that's not a hard stretch is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Wolfgang
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 08:43 AM

'I still don't take kindly to being told that my beliefs, which obviously don't match anothers', are ABSURD'. Banjer, when Clare was writing this you hadn't posted yet in this thread.
'Telling everyone that they were stupid'. BSeed, reread, Clare hasn't.
Thank you, Clare, for your thoughts.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: jeffp
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 10:03 AM

It's taken me a while to get involved in this thread, but I want to say that I have benefited from the Healing Circle as both a participant and a recipient. I have no scientific basis for belief in any healing power to be gained from groups like this, but faith does not depend on scientific proof. If something is proven, it is no longer a matter of faith, but fact. And just because something is not proven, that does not necessarily mean that it does not exist.

That being said, I do appreciate the privacy concerns that have been expressed here and I am interested in working with whatever sort of solution the people here can come up with. I am confident that some sort of structure will evolve that will be workable and will not be "in the face" of those who prefer not to be confronted with it.

And please, let's all remember that our goal is to help each other.

jeffp

Subject: RE: BS: Original intent of healing circle
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 07 Jan 00 - 12:38 PM

Actually Claire, Banjar's a pretty darn good natured Mudcatter, and I think it takes a lot to get him riled up. In future you might preface things with "in my humble opinion", or "no offence intended", or as my daddy used to say "don't talk politics or religion". 'Course here on the Cat, we talk about both..but perhaps a lighter approach might get a more sympathetic response. Welcome anyway. We forgive quickly.

Rick