The Decency of the 'Cat

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: NicoleC
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 04:25 PM

Ebbie, #3 doesn't apply in wartime. Angary is legal, however, the authors were trying to prevent the kind of military abuses they experienced under British rule, where sometimes the red coats would show up and take over a house for a few weeks of months, pretty much because they felt like it.

But I'd add:
#5 ...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Happening all the time lately. Congress legalized the seizure of property by law enforcement on almost any pretext. Recently in Georgia, over 100,000 dollars ($180,000, I think) in cash was permanently confiscated from two men in a car because they were speeding. The money was legitimately theirs, but it was legal to steal it from them because it was "suspected" of being drug money.

#10 The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. Oh my. Not even close.

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 04:36 PM

When ballots fail bullets don't. Where did I hear that? Mudcat is OK - great space for music - but I tend to agree with Amos and Spaw - flip a coin -

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 05:38 PM

Thanks, Nicole C- so when it says:" nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. ", the operative phrase is 'in a manner prescribed by law"? I do know that that there's been summary confiscation of property when needed, but I suppose that if a complaint were made against the military in a court of law, the military could make an easy case of it.

You made me look up 'angary'- I had never run across that word. Thanks!

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: NicoleC
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 06:12 PM

Yes. Siezure of property during wartime with just compensation is recognized under international law, and has been around in one form or another for all of known history, usually historically associated with sailing vessels but it doesn't have to be. If we were shy of planes to transport troops during wartime, and Lufthansa had planes at a nearby airport, it would be legal under international law to "borrow" them for our use, provided we paid Lufthansa back later.

During FDR's administration, this was extended to a concept of an emergency situation which co-opts the right of due process, which really has been horribly abused for everything from the Vietnam War to the "War on Drugs."

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 06:35 PM

Here is an interesting rundown on the Bill of Rights (pardon the pun):

http://www.bartcop.com/billofrights.htm

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 06:37 PM

Didn't you guys already hash out the Bill of Rights crap in another thread? Amos is right - it doesn't belong in this thread!

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 07:04 PM

(be still, my heart!) Thanks, Kat!


A

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: GUEST,The Hated Guest
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 07:49 PM

I was just explaining to the Brits (who MUST be 'decent' or face incarceration) that we Americans don't have to be decent in our speech. It is a human RIGHT to speak freely. Doesn't belong on this thread?...sounds like some liberals here are just a bit squeamish on the topic of their support of hate crime legislation. I mean, how can you be FOR free speech while you're DENYING it to people? Sounds like some people haven't worked out the kinks in their ideologies. Someone kick off another thread on the topic and I'll address the matter there.

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Amos
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 08:01 PM

Jesus Christ, HG -- why don't you address it in a separate forum. Freedom of speech and decency of speech are perfectly compatible, to those with a whit of language skills. You think there's some inherent benefit in spouting racist remarks ? That's not communication, it's shit. It shouldn't be suppressed legally, but it should be intolerable to anyone with half a soul left.

A

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: GUEST,The Hated Guest
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 08:05 PM

You tell me not to talk about it then you talk about it. What comes next?

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Charley Noble
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 08:36 PM

Hmmmm. Looks like the "guests" are doing their evil work of transforming another good thread.

Thanks for starting this one, Amos. Next time consider using a secret code threadname that the "guests" won't be able to figure out.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 18 Feb 03 - 08:59 PM

But, Charlie, I'm not part of the inner circle(or whatever it's called) and I would miss out on a great post by Amos. You have a beautiful soul,Amos. I thoroughly enjoy your posts,common sense point of view and humor. Keep it coming. James

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: GUEST,The Hated Guest
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 02:34 AM

God you people are weak on the Bill of Rights.

They are 'God given'. The framers of the Constitution intended it that way so no human could deny them. No human and no government can over-rule the Bill of Rights. Period. Ten simple rules that never change. You're supposed to be teaching your kids this stuff.

No rights have been 'taken away' by anyone. The gibberish may be there on paper, but all laws which contradict the Bill of Rights are Null and Void upon their passage. You don't have to follow those laws. And you DEAL with people who try to deny you your rights. Where the hell did your spines go? Just because domestic terrorists are trying to scare you pissless, you don't give in. Ever. Protect the Bill of Rights at the cost of your life, or your life as an American will cease to have meaning. Buy guns and use your 'God-given' right to excercise your freedoms. Bunch of whiners.

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 03:01 AM

Good thought HG!!!!!...........Somebody gimmee a gun huh?................HG, could you just stand over there against that wall for a minute?.........uh, yeah, right there............Couple of rounds here please.................HG, ya' wanna' cigarette?.........................

Spaw

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: My guru always said
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 04:30 AM

So... is Spaw decent? Probably *g*

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Amos
Date: 19 Feb 03 - 11:18 AM

Thank you, jaze. Appreciate the lift. :>)

A

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Genie
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 12:56 AM

You done said it, Brother Amos!

Genie

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Blackcatter
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 01:25 AM

Thanks Amos,

Speaking as a black cat (one of many cats here who were cats long before running into the mudcat), I happen to like just about everything around here.

I like the annoying guests (they're like hunting mice - easy to trip up, mess around with, not worth killing and easy to let go, once I become bored).

I like Spaw (I agree with Spaw more often than not - maybe not with the opinion, but definately with the attitude).

I like the commaradarie (friends helping friends).

I like the goofiness and the seriousness.

I like the fact that people are free to pat themselves on their collective backs (a complain when someone says something negative in such a back-patting thread).

I like the fact that people say that threads should stay on-topic and then complain that there are too many BS threads.

Good night John Boy, Mary Ellen and Grampa. Turn out the light and head towards a Ex-lax commercial . . . .

pax yall

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Schantieman
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 10:27 AM

I like this too.   That's why I keep coming back.

It allows me to discuss things - usually, but not always, lightheartedly - with others with whom I share at least one interest.

It provides a welcome diversion to the daily grind - and a way to let off steam about aspects thereof!

It provides information about festivals, sessions & clubs I might attend.

It's a method of keeping in touch with friends.

It's helped me make some new friends, an achievement which I've previously found very difficult. One special one in particular!

Thanks, fellow Mudcatters everywhere!

...oh, and by the way, the Royal Navy commandeers ships from time to time (I think the Falklands in 1982 was the last time). The offcial description is 'Ships Taken Up From Trade' or STUFT.   Nuff said!


Steve

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 03:57 PM

I see this thread ran into, not thread drift, but thread creep. What a creep...

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 03 - 04:02 PM

Yeah but it uncrept, which is one of the things I like about the 'Cat! :>)

A

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: pict
Date: 22 Feb 03 - 02:01 PM

All these people baring their souls I suppose you could call it decent exposure.

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: *daylia*
Date: 18 Feb 06 - 07:36 PM

Amen, amen -- again and again!

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Feb 06 - 07:41 PM

Hey look... another Mudcat Daisy-chain thread....

This needed to be dredged up after 3 years why?

Subject: RE: The Decency of the 'Cat
From: kendall
Date: 18 Feb 06 - 07:57 PM

Hated Guest, no one is depriving you of your right to free speech. The problem is, you don't seem to know the difference between liberty and license.