BS: Bush approval ratings keep sinking lower

Subject: RE: BS: Bush approval ratings keep sinking lower
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 11:12 AM

Whew, Bush may have stopped the bleeding with his speech last night against the backdrop of the only undamaged area of New Orleans but he is still bruised.

The effort to lay the blame on local doorsteps continues and seems to be working.
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Fox viewers will only remember the 2,000 idle bus story for years to come. A formal retraction for the ficticious bus story will never appear since it was repeated by hundreds of commentators before the source of the rumor was uncovered. Too bad Dan Rather didn't repeat it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush approval ratings keep sinking lower
From: GUEST,Takamine Yamaha
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 12:26 PM

The human tragedy as a result of federal beauracy and bumbling, and now the monetary expense which will be added onotan ever exceeding debt that the nation will have to endure because of it. President Bush has taken on all reponsibility the mistakes. Then shouldn't he surely be fired?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush approval ratings keep sinking lower
From: TIA
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 01:57 PM

When the monthly bills are due, how many parents would (in order to have more spending money) send their children out to a loan shark (note - not even go themselves) for money, take the money, and use that to pay the bills. Show of hands please.


Well, that's what Big Daddy Bush is doing to my kids, and it's only a matter of time until the Chinese knee-breakers knock on their door.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush approval ratings keep sinking lower
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 02:05 PM

As Donuel says, "Fox viewers will only remember the 2,000 idle bus story for years to come. A formal retraction for the fictitious bus story will never appear since it was repeated by hundreds of commentators before the source of the rumor was uncovered."

You're sure as hell not going to hear a retraction from Bill O'Reilly.

I'm a bit appalled at how often this old quote seems to apply these days:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
                                                                                                                                                       —Joseph Goebbels

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Bush approval ratings keep sinking lower
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 02:40 PM

This bus thing has gone on far too long. Did you not hear the LA Governors reason for not using the buses?

"He has a tough enough time to get them to drive during the week, let alone the weekend".

This was the 3rd or 4th day after Katrina hit land.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush approval ratings keep sinking lower
From: GUEST,Takamine Yamaha
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 02:54 PM

Yes TIA, we've borrowed beyond our limit from our loan shark China and now we got to go to them for some more.

I hope all those people down there on the Gulf wrote down that 1-800 numer Bush announced in the speech. Now, if they only had access to a phone that worked!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush approval ratings keep sinking lower
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 03:51 PM

Here's more on the subject of the busses (or lack of them, as the case may be)...


ABC's Stephanopoulos repeated school bus falsehood spread by Pruden, Hannity, and Gingrich


On September 11, ABC host George Stephanopoulos repeated a falsehood that had reverberated through the right-wing media the preceding week -- that "there were 2,000 buses under water" that New Orleans Mayor C. Ray Nagin could have used to evacuate his city before Hurricane Katrina's arrival. The claim appears to have originated in a September 6 column by Washington Times editor-in-chief Wesley Pruden, who inaccurately charged that, although Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation before the hurricane's arrival, he "kept the city's 2,000 school buses parked and locked in neat rows when there was still time to take the refugees to higher ground." Conservative websites, including the Power Line and Little Green Footballs weblogs, quickly linked to Pruden's column.

But Pruden dramatically overstated the number of New Orleans school buses. As of 2003, the most recent year for which data appears to be available, the Orleans Parish school district, which operates New Orleans' public schools, owned only 324 school buses. In addition, a Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development profile of the New Orleans Regional Transit Authority (RTA), last updated May 5, notes that RTA owned 364 public buses, bringing the total of the city's public transit and school buses to fewer than 700 (assuming the fleet of school buses has not been dramatically increased since 2003), far fewer than the 2,000 Pruden claimed. Even so, Pruden's claim was repeated that evening on Fox News' Hannity & Colmes by co-host Sean Hannity, who insisted, "Two thousand buses sat; 2,000 school buses." The falsehood was echoed the next day by Fox news political analyst and former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (R-GA), who baselessly suggested that the city owned more than enough buses to help every poor person leave the city. And In a September 11 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette column, national security writer Jack Kelly asked, "[W]hy weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?"

During a roundtable discussion on the September 11 broadcast of ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos, which included Gingrich, Stephanopoulos repeated Pruden's faulty figure. After Gingrich asserted that "it's the mayor who fails to use the city buses to move the poor out of New Orleans," Stephanopoulos responded, "He says that was never part of the plan, but you're right, there were 2,000 buses under water." Gingrich replied, "That's right."

In fact, The New York Times reported on September 4 that Louisiana emergency planners believed it would take as many as 2,000 buses "to evacuate an estimated 100,000 elderly and disabled people" in the event of a catastrophic hurricane like Katrina. But, The New York Times wrote, this was "far more than New Orleans possessed."

Pruden's claim that the city possessed 2,000 school buses that could have been used for a pre-storm evacuation appears to be an exaggeration of a September 1 Associated Press photograph of school buses parked in a flooded lot in New Orleans. The photograph was widely reported on conservative websites, including the Media Research Center's NewsBusters weblog, the Instapundit weblog, and Michelle Malkin's weblog. A September 6 MSNBC.com article that described the scene in the AP photograph noted, "Some 200 New Orleans school buses sit underwater in a parking lot, unused. That's enough to have evacuated at least 13,000 people."

Apparently, those school buses constituted the majority of New Orleans' school bus fleet. According to a September 5, 2003, article in the New Orleans Times-Picayune, "The [Orleans Parish school] district owns 324 buses but 70 are broken down." A 2003 document posted on the Louisiana Department of Education's website confirms that Orleans Parish used 324 "board owned" school buses and no "contractor owned" school buses.

On the September 7 edition of Hannity & Colmes, Gingrich echoed Pruden's inaccurate claim, falsely asserting that the city possessed "more than enough buses to, in a methodical, orderly way, help every poor person leave the city."

But Gingrich's claim has no basis in fact. While estimates of the number of residents stranded in New Orleans following the storm vary, New Orleans officials have suggested that 80 percent of the city's residents evacuated before the hurricane hit. That leaves roughly 97,000 residents who remained in New Orleans.

New Orleans' combined fleet of public transit and school buses would not have had nearly enough capacity to evacuate all of those who remained in the city. A July 8 Times-Picayune article, titled "RTA buses would be used for evacuation; But plan still falls far short of needs," pointed out that the RTA owned 364 public buses. "Even if the entire fleet was used," the Times-Picayune noted, "the buses would carry only about 22,000 people out of the city -- far short of the 134,000 people estimated to be without cars in a recent University of New Orleans study." Even the addition of the full school bus fleet would have been far from sufficient to transport the remaining residents.

Moreover, The New York Times noted that a number of New Orleans buses were in use as the hurricane approached: "But Chester Wilmot, an L.S.U. [Louisiana State University] civil engineering professor who studies evacuation plans, said the city successfully improvised. He said witnesses described seeing city buses shuttle residents to the Superdome before Hurricane Katrina struck."

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509120005

Subject: RE: BS: Bush approval ratings keep sinking lower
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 10:02 AM

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