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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Dave Hanson Date: 01 Apr 06 - 08:57 PM Whay aye ya bugger man, everyone round here knows it was his sister in law, the Abbess of Kirklees Priory what did for him, and actualy he is buried on the ceiling. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Rapparee Date: 01 Apr 06 - 09:54 PM Better halfway up the wardrobe than halfway down the garderobe! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 01 Apr 06 - 11:08 PM TWICE I have recorded that fine ballad called "ROBIN HOOD'S DEATH" ----- Child #120 The first time was on my second LP for Kicking Mule Records KM-148 Art Thieme---Songs Of The Heartland The other time was when I put it on my 1998 CD called "Art Thieme---THE OLDER I GET, THE BETTER I WAS!" That is on Andrew Calhoun's label--Waterbug Records --- can be found at www.waterbug.com Strangely, I found 2 verses of this Child ballad of Robin Hood right in the middle of the USA -- in the state of Wisconsin. Wes Asbury, a retired, and curmudgeonly former police chief of Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin knew TWO VERSES of it. That got me to thinking about it---and I fleshed it out from printed versions I found. The tune I used was a great and beautiful one that Mudcatter and former Weaver, Frank Hamilton, had used with his Folkways Records recording of the ballad "GEORDY"!! --- Arguably, the "DEATH OF ROBIN HOOD" is the last of all of the many ballads and songs about Robin because it was in this one that he met his final demise. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: LadyJean Date: 01 Apr 06 - 11:12 PM If you can lay hands on a copy of Rosemary Sutcliffe's "Heros and History", she has an excellent chapter on Robin Hood. She includes the suggestion that Robin Hood was a name used by a succession of outlaws. Which would explain why he is found under Richard 1, and said to have been a champion of Queen Catherine of Aragon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Geoff the Duck Date: 02 Apr 06 - 10:05 AM GUEST,Grab - Back to the Michael Praed/Jason Connery ITV version, There appear to be repeats on the Digital box - ITV3 at 6.50 Sunday 2 April. Rapaire - your comments on the dating of monks - A few postings back I put in links to site giving a muck later date to the Hood and Tuck characters. They might put your dates for likely orders of friars in a different light. Qack! GtD |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Rapparee Date: 02 Apr 06 - 02:42 PM Folk heroes don't need to conform to actual dates, or at least so I think. Robin Hood, the similar tales told about Sam Bass, Jesse James, Pretty Boy Floyd, John Dillinger and others, all reflect more upon the deprived and powerless of the society than upon any actual historical figure. It seems that in times when people feel powerless they will create a folk hero. When railroads in the US controlled -- literally -- the life or death of a town; when banks could control whether or not your ranch or farm would survive, those who "stood up" to these institutions became heroes in the eyes of their contemporaries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: open mike Date: 02 Apr 06 - 03:45 PM this movie was shot in Bidwell Park in Chico in 1938 one of the largest city parks in the U.S. here is a list of the characters, including Friar Tuck Errol Flynn .... Robin Hood Olivia de Havilland .... Maid Marian Basil Rathbone .... Sir Guy of Gisbourne Claude Rains .... Prince John Patric Knowles .... Will Scarlett Eugene Pallette .... Friar Tuck Alan Hale .... Little John Melville Cooper .... High Sheriff of Nottingham Ian Hunter .... King Richard the Lion Heart |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Purple Foxx Date: 02 Apr 06 - 05:03 PM Thanks for posting that Open Mike. I always had a soft spot for that film. Interestingly Basil Rathbone was a genuine master swordsman. If the famous "fight on the stairs" had been for real he would have made sliced Salami of Flynn |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Dave Hanson Date: 02 Apr 06 - 10:47 PM According to popular myth ther would have been lots of it too. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Teribus Date: 03 Apr 06 - 08:08 AM Doesn't anyone remember when Richard Greene was "Robin Hood"? Where the opening was done by somebody rehearsing for a Strongbow Ad, but with only one arrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 03 Apr 06 - 09:57 AM "Also Tuck sounds more like a surname (they were just beginning to gel in England then)" --- I just stepped over to my unabridged dictionary and looked up "tuck." To my surprise, the oldest meanings of it are quite negative. It comes from the Anglo-Saxon "tucian" to ill-treat. Early meanings included to punish, torment, torture, scold and upbraid. It is akin to the words "jerk" and "tug." We can safely conclude that Friar Tuck was not a saintly guy. -------- As for the BBC not wanting to deal with him (supposing this is not merely a rumor), don't you think that current pop culture is sadly lacking in humor? When did you last hear a funny song? Name a famous comedian of today. Often what passes for humor is mere meanness or vulgarity. I think that the trouble with humor is that it's hard to produce regularly and on demand, and so the networks have ditched it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Paul Burke Date: 04 Apr 06 - 03:29 AM "Name a famous comedian of today." Bill Bailey, Eddie Izzard, the Cabinet.... Back to the thread. What did Much the Miller's Son do? If the BBC are short of cash for the production, he's the one to collect his cards. Will Scarlett's not much better. I think they should spice it up a bit by replacing the bows with machine guns, and getting Tarantino in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Purple Foxx Date: 04 Apr 06 - 03:40 AM Much the Miller's son was one of only 3 accomplices of Robin mentioned in the Gest. The other 2 were Little John & Will Scarlock. The name Scarlock means Lockbreaker. Interestingly,A man of this name was expelled from St Mary's Priory in York in 1287. St Mary's Priory also figures prominently in the Gest. This raises the intriguing possibility that Will Scarlock & Friar Tuck were in fact one & the same person. If so |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Purple Foxx Date: 04 Apr 06 - 03:42 AM Whoops posted in error. Last sentence should read "If so Tuck was a Cistercian." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Dave Hanson Date: 04 Apr 06 - 04:44 AM Get it right, his name was Will SCATLOCK, only altered to Scarlet later. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Purple Foxx Date: 04 Apr 06 - 04:56 AM The Geste variously gives "Scarlok","Scathlok" & "Scarlock" St Mary's Priory's account gives "Scathlock" As with Shakespeare's will,prior to standardised spelling there was no "right" to get it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Dave Hanson Date: 04 Apr 06 - 06:28 AM I stand erected. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Purple Foxx Date: 04 Apr 06 - 06:48 AM It's not really an impotent point Eric.;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Sttaw Legend Date: 04 Apr 06 - 07:00 AM 69 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Paul Burke Date: 04 Apr 06 - 07:04 AM 1287 is a bit late (about 90 years) for the traditional dating of RHAHMM to the time of Richard I and King John. What we get down to is the merging of lots of stories with garbled snippets of actual events- hence Robin having such a wide range, from Kirklees through Loxley and Barnsdale to Sherwood and Derbyshire, and that's not counting the claims for even further afield. Is this alleged BBC fratriphobia just one more myth to add? By the way, it's Richard's 907th deathday on Thursday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Friar Tuck From: Purple Foxx Date: 04 Apr 06 - 07:20 AM My main source is the section on Robin Hood in Tony Robinson's highly readable "In search of British Heroes" You are right Paul,Robin is composite figure but he does seem to be primarily based on the Yorkshire Robin Hood. This Robin was a Subject of one of the first three King Edwards. Probably the first. Have to admit that Couer De Leon is no Hero of mine,but that's another story. |
