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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:57 PM The odd thing is, apparently he goes off on a tirade about Jews, and only after that does he ask the officer "Are you a Jew?" Sounds as if he might be living backwards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:18 PM Alcoholism is certainly a convenient excuse for behaving badly, isn't it? Cleanses one of all their sins. And if you are a powerful Hollywood celebrity, you just ring up your lawyer and publicist, and get them to fix it all up for you. Poor, poor Millionaire Mel of Malibu. Boo hoo, I feel so bad for him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:14 PM The Passion of the Christ made Mel Gibson a darling of the fundamentalist Catholics. Trouble is, the film was quite popular among more mainstream Catholics and other Christians, and this gave the fundamentalists more strength and credibility. This movie was a big deal in the Catholic Church in the US, and it made us left-of-center Catholics very uneasy. I'm hoping Mel Gibson's current "fall from grace" will destroy his credibility among Catholics, and take the fundamentalists down a rung or two. They've become frighteningly powerful. I wouldn't be too quick to charge the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department* with favoritism in editing the report. I've read the law enforcement copies hundreds of California DUI (driving under the influence) reports, which are longer than the one-page cover sheet that's released to the press. The reports are usually devoid of juicy details - the main things established are the blood-alcohol content and any physically violent conduct. The substance of what Gibson said while drunk is pertinent to us who wonder whether he's an anti-Semite, but it has little to do with the information needed to determine whether he is guilty of drunk driving and resisting arrest. I was investigating people for law enforcement jobs and other sensitive government positions. If the person had made racist remarks when arrested for drunk driving, it certainly would have been pertinent to my investigation - but not to the police investigation. It's also very unlikely that Mel Gibson will be able to "get a slick lawyer to get him off." Law enforcment authorities in Los Angeles aren't particularly impressed by celebrities - but then again, they also aren't particularly impressed by tabloid reporters competing to get information to smear celebrities. -Joe Offer- *I believe the Los Angeles County sheriff still provides law enforcement services to Malibu. Last time I worked there was 1999, and Malibu did not have its own police department at that time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:35 PM It just keeps getting deeper and deeper. It seems Officer Mee, the arresting officer, is actually Jewish. And ABC has, according to the Wall Street Journal, pulled the plug on Mel's production company's Holocaust project for ABC-TV. Entertainment Tonight aired video of the public service announcement Mad Mel did for the sheriff's cause. On The View today, Barbara Walters said she won't be seeing any more Mel Gibson movies. And Malibu Mel's publicist announced Mad Mel has entered an undisclosed rehab program. Joe, the truth from the autopsy report about Terri Schiavo's brain didn't change the minds of many Catholics about that whole debacle, so I think you are rather naive thinking their hero's fall from grace will shake their faith to the core. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jul 06 - 11:45 PM Well, the Terri Sciavo situation was different. Those who believed that she should be kept alive under any circumstances, have a point of view that would not be affected by the condition of her brain. Anti-semitism is not at all prevalent among American Catholics, even among the Catholic fundamentalists. Gibson's anti-Semitic remarks are going to make a lot of Catholics think again. -Joe- (I revised my previous message and added information about the arresting agency. You may want to take a look.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:11 AM Joe, Marcia Clark (yes, that Marcia Clark) was on TV tonight saying the arrest reports for DUIs nearly always include the level of details seen in the Gibson report, because that is evidence that corroborates the arresting officers assumption the suspect was under the influence at the time of the stop/arrest. The behavior of the suspect at the time of the stop & arrest is not only admissable evidence in the prosecution of the case, according to Clark, but also often helps to convict. Don't take this personally, but she has prosecuted thousands of DUI cases in California, so I think I'll take her word for it. She also said that celebrities routinely get special treatment from law enforcement, including being allowed to continue driving even when they suspect them of DUI. It was also announced today that Gibson was given such special treatment twice in the last few years by the very same dept in Malibu. Both involved speeding, with Gibson let off with a warning both times. However, in one of those instances, the officer who did the stop said he suspected Gibson might have been under the influence. Also, from USA Today: "LOS ANGELES — Getting drunk and mouthing off is nothing new in Hollywood, but Mel Gibson's weekend arrest has plunged him into a crisis that few could have imagined two years ago. Back then he described himself as a filmmaker guided by the Holy Spirit on his surprise blockbuster The Passion of the Christ, saying he hoped the film had "the power to evangelize." But that image has been shattered by news of his drunken-driving arrest Friday and the anti-Semitic and sexually insulting remarks attributed to him. The Associated Press reports that an official police report substantiates claims that Gibson made the remarks and threatened a deputy. Many say Gibson will have to explain his comments beyond his publicist-released statement, which implied that his rant was just the booze talking. And some in the entertainment industry are calling for a boycott. One of the nation's most ardent and active promoters of church outreach for The Passion was First Family Baptist Church in Overland Park, Kan., where the Rev. Jerry Johnston brought 5,000 people to see it. "Only the savior is perfect, and every messenger of the gospel is flawed, and Gibson certainly illustrated that to the worst degree," Johnston says now. "It was unwarranted, and a great shame has been attached to the maker of the movie." But the message of the movie remains untainted even if the "messenger obstructs the Messiah in the delivery system." Johnston says Gibson owes an apology not only to Jewish people but to all pro-Israel evangelicals. "He could take some of the proceeds of that movie and donate them to a worthy Jewish cause in Israel," he suggests." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:37 AM George Bush said he saw the first WTC tower hit by a plane before he went in to read his goat story to the Florida school kids. Why don't you folks talk about that? How can you talk about anything else but that? Bush saw a live feed of the impact. No one else in America did. But this latest distraction has you creaming your jeans. Turn off your TVs. Quit thinking other peoples' thoughts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:22 AM Well, I suppose Marcia Clark has a different perspective from mine. She'd be likely to have read only reports of drunk driving arrests that were likely to go to trial, as Gibson's might be. So, perhaps there would have been a higher level of detail in the Mel Gibson arrest report. I read ALL the reports, and the vast majority of drunk driving arrests end in a guilty plea without going to trial. And the vast majority of the reports are almost exactly the same, word-for-word:
When he was stopped, he said he had X beers at (time) He/she had dilated eyes and slurred speech and the odor of alcohol on his/her breath, so a field sobriety test was administered. He/she was asked to recite the alphabet forward and backward, without singing, had he/she attempted x times and got as far as the letter___. He/she was then asked to walk in a straight line, putting one foot in front of the other. He/She could walk ___ feet before stumbling. Having failed the Field Sobriety Test, he/she was given a Breathalizer test, which showed a blood-alcohol content of 0.xx percent by weight. Since the blood-alcohol content was over 0.08 percent, he/she was booked in the county jail, and his/her vehicle was impounded (or given to a sober friend or relative or passenger to drive home) If Marcia Clark was as hot-shot a lawyer as she's reputed to be, I do wonder how she got stuck on DUI duty long enough to prosecute thousands of cases. -Joe-
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:32 AM Allow me to correct myself: Marcia Clark's office prosecuted thousands of DUI cases, is what I believe she said. As the boss, of course she wouldn't have seen each and every DUI report. But I believe she would be knowledgeable about the general content of them. Hence, my giving her the benefit of the doubt. She seemed very knowledgeable about the California DUI process from a prosecutors point of view. Of course, there are a bazillion lawyer websites out there with the defendant's point of view that would tell a very different story. We'll see what charges, if any, the LA prosecutor's brings, and whether they release the audio and videotape of the stop & arrest, like they did with Diana Ross. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,Tunesmith Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:08 AM Why did Mel Gibson start his anti-semitic tirade? Did something trigger it? It seems a strange thing to do. Now, I know he was drunk , but his anger, you would have thought, would have been directed only at the police. Also, is Mel's anti-semitic feelings drawn only from his religious beliefs, or from other sources i.e. Hollywood, I assume, is run by Jews. Is that something to do with it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:13 AM He/she was asked to recite the alphabet forward and backward, without singing I suppose it's thread drift, but, heavens above, I couldn't do that sober, not backwards. It's a bit like that old way of getting to sleep (or driving yourself crazy), spelling Czechoslovakia backwards. ("Daddy, what's Czechoslovakia?") And what have they got against singing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:47 AM Well, the entertainment news folk have already dug up the people he was with at the bar in Malibu on the night in question. They said, without exception, that he was jovial, friendly, accessible, not at all like the aggressive behavior described when he was arrested. They did all say however, that he was obviously too drunk to drive. The arresting officer is Jewish, so I'm guessing his being upset about getting the DUI from a Jewish cop triggered the anti-Semitic rage. The arresting officer also made an audio tape of the stop, and when they arrived at the station, video tape was made. |
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Subject: Gibson irrelevant...Republican reaction not From: GUEST,Ordinarily Republican voter Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:08 AM If out front Republican reps and media flacks try to excuse, defend or downplay Mel's views, for me it'll be like the elder Bush giving Pat Buchanan all that play in their first election -- it just forced me back over to Clinton side. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:09 AM Geeziz McGrath.....I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't do the ABC's backwards! I sat here after reading Joe's post and tried it! I got it done okay but it took a lot a bit and if I had been on the side of the road I'd probably have come off as a drunk. That's a dumbass test. I mean who the hell ever learns to do the ABC's backwards? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: C. Ham Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:20 AM Why did Mel Gibson start his anti-semitic tirade? Did something trigger it? It seems a strange thing to do. One of the effects that being drunk has on some people is that they lose their inhibitions. In other words, they don't self-censor the expression of thoughts that, when sober, they know would get them into trouble. Mel Gibson's father, is a religious zealot and Holocaust denier. I don't think it's unusual for the son a of a Holocaust denier to turn out to be an anti-Semite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Rapparee Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:27 AM If he was driving drunk he should pay the price. And the arresting officer has said that he discounts anything drunks say. I don't care if it was George Bush or Bill Clinton driving drunk -- if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Yank his license, fine him, and send him off to rehab. I don't see what antisemitic remarks has to do with a drunk driving charge anymore than another driver calling the arresting officer an SOB or worse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:28 AM And the 'trigger' seems to have been the fact the arresting officer is Jewish. He was drunk, in a boat load of trouble, and being an anti-Semite, he just let his invective fly when discovering the arresting officer was Jewish. In his anti-Semitic world view, the idea that a Jew could bring him down a couple of notches must have been rather infuriating. Especially since other officers had given him a free pass and get out of jail free card for speeding in the same area. And then, there is that fact he 'owned' Malibu. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 09:41 AM I agree Rapaire, that the charges here have to do with driving under the influence. But just like the tequila bottle found in the car, his anti-Semitic abuse of the arresting Jewish officer, along with his sexist abuse of the female officer at the station, indicates he could be in line for additional charges from the prosecuter's office, from disturbing the peace to attempting to assault a police officer. Sounds like he could also be charged with resisting arrest. However, since the only charge the police made was the suspicion of DUI, I'm guessing they are considering the stop fairly routine, and considered the "without incident" to mean he didn't attempt to do physical harm to the officers. I'm guessing DUI suspects Spew foul language and insult arresting officers all the time. So the charges would have to depend upon the cop's mood about your attitude at the time of the stop, and what they can actually document as evidence. His publicist says he has already entered a treatment facility for rehab. The court date isn't until Sept 28th. So we likely won't be seeing Mad Mel for awhile. The only other news that we are likely to hear about are the results of the investigation regarding Gibson receiving special treatment (I'm guessing no special treatment will be found), and if the DA's office decides to add charges to the suspicion of DUI charge or (even worse for Mel) release the audio and videotape. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Greg F. Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:16 AM I'm hoping Mel Gibson's current "fall from grace" will destroy his credibility among Catholics, and take the fundamentalists down a rung or two. You're expecting a rational, reasoned response from fundamentally irrational people. Not going to happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:33 AM I agree 1000% with that, GregF. Speaking of irrationality, no one seems the least bit bothered with the sexist taunting of the female officer in the case. It's all about anti-Semitism. What does that say about society's beliefs, hmmmm? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,NYC Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:20 AM Did Gibson really say that he owns Malibu? Funny, I thought the Jews owned Malibu. Also, he seems to have his ethnicities confused. Cops are Irish, not Jewish. Everyone knows that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:33 AM Well, except in Nothern Ireland, then theyre not...*G* |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Ebbie Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:36 AM I too tried the ABCs backward. Decided that I would probably go "xyz: zyx; uvw: wvu; rst:tsr" and so on. My guess is that a drunken person goes about it differently, and that the difference is added to the other 'markers'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Rapparee Date: 01 Aug 06 - 11:38 AM I was baptized Catholic and raised such, from kindergarten through college. And I don't give a flying...trapeze...what Mel Gibson thinks, nor do any of the Catholics I know. Please don't tar everyone with a stereotype! Having made DUI stops and arrests in the Army, in the Military Police, I can assure you that drunks can spew the foulest language you can imagine. I've been called an MF and worse, assaulted, and deliberately puked on. Every MP I knew treated it as part of the job -- and put the offender in the drunk tank. After one such arrest I and others were charged with police brutality -- by the offender's friend, the offender saw a videotape of himself and said that he was amazed we didn't beat him silly instead of handcuffing him. I don't suggest you call a cop names or try to fight, though -- you could get someone who WILL want to get in "a little stick time." |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Amos Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:18 PM NEW YORK (Reuters) - The ABC television network has pulled a miniseries about the Holocaust it was developing with Mel Gibson's production company, the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday, quoting an unidentified representative for the network. Gibson was arrested on suspicion of drunk driving early on Friday and was reported to have launched into a tirade against Jews, asking the arresting officer if he was a Jew and blaming the Jews for starting all wars. The actor, who holds strong conservative Catholic religious and political views and whose father is a Holocaust denier, apologized on Saturday. The incident has raised questions about the future of projects Gibson and his Icon Productions company are working on, like the ABC television miniseries based on a memoir about a Dutch Jew during World War II, the newspaper said. An ABC representative told the paper, without elaborating, it has been two years and the network still has not seen a script, so the project is being pulled. A spokesperson for ABC, which is owned by Walt Disney Co., could not be reached for comment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Big Mick Date: 01 Aug 06 - 12:33 PM What you are speaks much louder than what you say you are. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: C. Ham Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:44 PM Why, oh why, would ABC/Disney give money to the son of a Holocaust denier to develop a miniseries about the Holocaust? As Christine Lavin would say, "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 01:55 PM I don't think that most fundamentalist Catholics will be swayed by proof of Gibson's anti-Semitism, but the "Passion" film was popular with many good people who were much closer to the mainstream, and I do believe this incident may destroy the credibility Gibson had achieved with right-of-center moderate Catholics. I think a lot of moderate Catholics did not realize what an extremist this guy is, and they didn't believe us who warned them about him. Maybe now they'll realize that this isn't just the "liberal agenda" that's pointing this guy out to be dangerous. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:22 PM I heard on the radio, tonight, that Californian laws on drink-driving are very strict and you need much less alcohol in your blood, than you do in the UK, in order to get prosecuted for drink-driving. Apparently Mr Gibson was only a teensy bit over the Californian limit ... so perhaps it wasn't 'the drink talking' ...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Donuel Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:59 PM ABC Disney is linked to more CIA programs/agendas than you can shake a stick at. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:27 PM By admitting he saw the plane hit the WTC and then acting to delay an investigation, GWBush became prosecutable for the crime of murder. Why do you tube-heads discuss Michael Jackson and Mel Gibson when a judicially-installed president confessed to killing 3000 people in New York? I think one of them was a Jew. Yeah, maybe that'll generate some concern. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:30 PM The blood alcohol content limit in California used to be 0.10%, but it was reduced to 0.08% many years ago. Gibson's was 0.12%, which I believe is generally only moderately tipsy. I've seen reports with blood-alcohol content of 0.20% - those people were almost "dead drunk," and it's amazing that they were driving. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:34 PM So, Guest, I have to ask why YOU, instead of just chipping in where the opportunity to have a dig at others presents iself, arent creating an enormous nuisance of yourself starting BS threads about it, here & everywhere else you can log onto? I think its a bit bloody shameful that you should 'use' so many deaths as a means to try & needle people here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Donuel Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:37 PM I find it impossible to discuss anything with an annonymous GUEST for many good reasons. If you reveal yourself in a manner that is discreet I may allow you to have the DVD of the American Scholars Symposium that reveals many new scientific discoveries regarding 9-11 as well as the details for the $1 Million challenge and $25,000 reward regarding the 9-11 cover up. END OF THREAD DRIFT> |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Slag Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:40 PM Yeah, re Greg F's comments: Let's take them damn Catholics and stupid fun-duh-meantal-ists down a notch or two. Yeah Yeah. No bias here. It must be wonderful to have such moral highground. I have theological and philosophical differences with Roman Catholicism and also some "fundamental" difference with some Fundamentalists. Rather than taking issue with the "ideals", you catagorize a vast number of folks who hold many differing beliefs and then you attack the label. That sounds kinda like, stereotyping and anti-religious bigotry to me. I could be wrong (but I don't think so). |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Charley Noble Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:59 PM With the exception of the 911 troll, most of the annonymous guests actually are making thoughtful posts. I've learned much more than I would from the regular media coverage. Thanks for your contributions and consider signing up as a regular Mudcat Annonymous Member! Cheerily, Charley Noble (not my real name) |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:09 PM Thanks Charlie, but no chance of membership in my future. Well, the Mad Mel of Malibu has now issued a second apology. He says he is really, really, really sorry and really, really, really not a bigoted anti-Semite. So, that is good enough for the ADL dude who was calling for his head on a platter. But I think those who are familiar with the AA 12-steps, think it might have been a better idea for Mel to admit he was helpless in the face of his anti-Semitic bigotry. Especially since he waited to say he was really, really, REALLY sorry until AFTER his Holocaust project w/ABC was cancelled, to issue another apology. You know, I often feel uncomfortable watching anyone dangling from the meat hook like this. But every once in awhile, seeing arrogant bastards getting knocked down a few pegs really restores faith in humanity. Briefly. Very briefly. After all, it's still all about box office for these folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:11 PM
Posted By: GUEST 01-Aug-06 - 10:33 AM Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... I agree 1000% with that, GregF. As for Gibson's connection with the Catholic Church, please note that he has been allied with fundamentalist groups that are considered to be the "lunatic fringe" of the Catholic church, not representative of the mainstream. However, the appeal of The Passion of the Christ was broader, and was enthusiastically received by many right-of-center moderates within the Catholic Church. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Slag Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:20 PM You forget Mel's "What Women Want". Obviously he knew what that deputy was wanting... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: robomatic Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:36 PM The wonderful thing about the United States from a Jewish point of view is simply this: If a person is anti-semitic, it's his problem. I can't see into whatever Mel Gibson uses for his mind. I think he clearly has a Jewish 'thing' going, a phenomenon I've witnessed in many people. I think I'd say it's akin to being HIV positive but not developing the disease 'yet'. In the presence of a lot of Catholics in this forum and on this thread I'd mention that I know a lot of Catholics, and the older ones were exposed to anti-Semitic teachings officially sanctioned by the Catholic Church until Vatican II (Second Vatican Council), as I like to put it, got us (Jews) 'off the hook'. One of my friends remembers a priest saying "Never trust a JOO!" (My reaction to that is why should someone like that trust anybody?) Anyhow, who's to say what Mel Gibson was exposed to while growing up in an atmosphere that denies the validity of that very Vatican II? This is worth going into because it brings up some interesting points about Catholics, Catholics & Jews, anti-Semitism, and celebrity: 1) There has been a sea-change in Catholic - Jewish relations both in the US and the wider world over the last 50 years very much to the good. 2) It's not illegal to be anti-Semitic but, as I mentioned above, in the U.S. of today, if YOU are anti-Semitic, it isn't MY problem. 3) Mel Gibson is a talented actor/ director who very definitely has his own problems. I think they include but are not limited to, Semites. He is primarilly a danger to himself. 4) I have long been thankful that in the US of the present I have been able to make friends with, trust, and judge people based on their behavior way ahead of needing to concern myself with their color or creed, and maybe to be judged that way in return. 5) I think it is a weakness in our society that we are so concerned with the actions of the notorious class. As I mention to any young person who starts looking at the covers of those useless magazines full of factoids about the rich and lovely "It's a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter about people who don't know me!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:45 PM Down, Joe, down. I never said "you" I said "society". So how on earth do you twist "society" around to mean you personally? "I think Gibson's "sugar tits" taunt at a female deputy speaks for itself, and there's nothing much more for us to say about it." Now that I really can't get on board with. Going into a tirade about "fucking Jews" speaks for itself too, so why are we all finding so much to say about that, but not the sexist remark? I have my ideas on that: main one, that sexism is still very acceptable in this society, even to the point of challenging the authority of a police officer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Ebbie Date: 01 Aug 06 - 05:02 PM pah That remark Gibson made to the female deputy doesn't disturb me on any kind of symbolic basis. If he had instead gibed at her femaleness as being somehow evil or unpleasant or inferior to men I would feel differently. This way it is only a testament to his crassness, not to a putdown. Like our lovely president; if the German Chancellor had been male, the bush wouldn't have touched him. The fact that he gave her an unsolicited, unwanted shoulder rub speaks to his sexism, not to his being anti-female. My sentiments. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:28 PM OK Ebbie. You wanna call a female police officer "sugar tits" because it doesn't bother you as a woman, you go right ahead. Good luck with that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Ebbie Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:38 PM And spppppttttt to you too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:41 PM He couldn't have been that drunk if he could actually get his tongue round saying "sugar tits". ............... Would I be wrong to suspect that, if circumstances had been different an pissed and pissed off movie star had been going on about how Catholics started all the wars, and demanding of, say, Officer Kowalski or O'Meara "Are you a Catholic?", that would,have been OK with friend Greg F? |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Greg F. Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:49 PM Slag's his name & slagging's his game. { talk about irrational... } |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: michaelr Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:55 PM ABC has now nixed the deal with Gibson's company to produce a holocaust documentary. About blood alcohol limits: Whether 0.12% means a person is "moderately tipsy" or completely sloshed depends on a. the person's body weight b. how much drink he's used to. Gibson is known as a hard-drinking bachelor, so I doubt he was seriously out of the box at 0.12. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: Bobert Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:59 PM Booze 'ill get you drunk but it can't make you a bigot... |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: robomatic Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:02 PM ABC has now nixed the deal with Gibson's company to produce a holocaust documentary. Gibson is known as a hard-drinking bachelor, so I doubt he was seriously out of the box at 0.12. oh, so maybe it's 'mission accomplished?' |
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Subject: RE: BS: The Passion of Mel Gibson... From: michaelr Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:07 PM ?? |
