I walked out of session

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: number 6
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 11:44 AM

Good post Kendall .... I agree with all ya said.

biLL

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 12:25 PM

" for people who think "Tie a yellow ribbon" is a folk song"
What an arrogant SOB....

"I think Clinton crossed the line"
Who cares what you think?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: dermod in salisbury
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 12:48 PM

Pubs started to become an overrated experience when the piano moved out, the one-armed bandit moved in, and the price of a drink moved up through the roof. I rarely go in one unless I need to get out of the rain. However, the domestic front parlour and a jovial set of bring-your-own-bottle-type friends and musicians could be due for a major comeback. According to the press, the average time people spend watching television has been in decline for some time. It's just that the brewing industry has not noticed that yet.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 12:50 PM

Kendall needs no defense. He has sung on national TV (the Today Show), and has a portfolio that most here would die for. When Kendall sings, he is never just wallpaper in a bar as the critic is. Many of the legends in our genre call him friend, and enjoy performing with him. While others were whiling away their time and talent singing in bars for drunks, he has recorded for a venerable label, been hailed as a treasure by the State he calls home, and carving a reputation as a pearl of great worth. He was honored by his home state as Folksinger of the Year three times. There are those that need to learn from his example. While he has become someone that is universally loved and admired, others (one other specifically) are squandering their talents and coming to be known as arrogant, self centered assholes that cover their insecurities, and their anger at the hole they are in, by acting like horses asses. Pete Seeger has spoken of and praised Cap'n Morse. I would say that trumps the old drunk laying in the corner of the bar gig.

Mick, disgusted and tired of this prat's attitude.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 12:58 PM

Your opinion ain't worth squat.. no more than mine, or Kendalls or anybodys....

If you think it is, you must be taking arrogance lessons from Mr National TV.... Critizising people for liking a song??? Ya... very professional....

And once again Mick.. You show how ill your perception is.... -I- have NO insecurities.... and THAT makes you so GREEN I can see it from here. So why don't you get down off that high horse and go back to kneeling under it where you at least do some good.

You're not disgusted or tired... You're afraid. It's as plain as the face on your head

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,memyself
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:08 PM

Oh, boy! They've got Clinton going! This is gonna be fun!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Big Mick
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:09 PM

Often, when I am meeting or performing with a noted performer for the first time, the conversation will turn to friends we have in common. Among others, I always mention Kendall, and often as not that is one that we have conversation about.

If I would were to list words used to describe Kendall Morse, it would look like this:

Friend
Gentleman
Humorist
Teddy Bear
Great singer
Knowledgeable
Great guitar player
Respected
Well known
Great Dad
Great repertoire
Universally loved
and on and on ......

Clinton, how would they describe you?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Greg B
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:20 PM

Quoth Clinton:
> Or do you really think the sun shines out your arse?

In fact it does. Comes in handy when reading the lead
sheets in the back rows in a darkened pub. Also handy
for reading in the loo.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:22 PM

I wouldn't CARE

I don't base my sense of self on what others think of me, or of anything

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: closet-folkie
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:43 PM

I'd just like to suggest that "Lesbian Death Thrash Poetry" might be the best potential band name I've heard in some time.
Clinton---calm down lad. Have yourself a nice Maudite; it works wonders. Cheers then, Steve R.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Midchuck
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:43 PM

Fact is, we've camped near Kendall and Jacqui, at Old Songs, several years. If we're at their campsite after dark, I always ask Kendall to drop his drawers and bend over, and we can see our way back to our own camp. Saves having to bring along a flashlight.

Peter.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Greg B
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:49 PM

Then there's the time he saved the QE2 from wrecking off the
coast of Newfoundland after the lighthouse ran out of oil.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 01:58 PM

We once used his anal illuminations to catch some rare moths.
Legend has it that an ancestor of his led the three wise men to Bethlehem.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:00 PM

Maybe now Martin Gibson is no longer among us CH feels the position is vacant.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:22 PM

There is a common term for people who never consider the opinions of others. Selfish. Very common amongst the very old and very young. Most people in between have some concept of what others think.

There are a few exceptions of course and more often than not they are the small percentage who cause the most trouble and upset. A good compromise is just to ignore them.

DtG

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:22 PM

There's only one position CH needs to find vacant (and maybe well illuminated.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:25 PM

If you don't care about what people think of you, you arrogant asshole, why did you start your own thread last year boasting about how you'd managed to get a part in a play? Then you continued to regale the Mudcat about your prowess, and your progress.
All I can say is, they must have been pretty hard up if they cast you Clint, cos the only part you can play is the clown.
Kendall has visited with me, and he is welcome anytime, you could knock on my door till the end of time, you still wouldn't be welcome. I prefer visitors with good manners!
Giok

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: SharonA
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:30 PM

...as yet another thread drifts out to sea...

*sigh* I think a parallel can be drawn between trying to play a session in a pub with a TV blaring and creating a disturbance, and trying to read a Mudcat thread on a particular subject with Mudcatters trading insults and disturbing the discussion.

Not that my temper hasn't flared once in a while, but I've learned from Mudcat-thread experience that putting down the mouse and stepping away from the keyboard keeps me on a more even keel. I don't visit and converse here at Mudcat as much as I used to, or as much as I'd like to; but just as Shaneo demonstrated in the first post of this thread, when the spirit of cooperation and respect is lacking (in pub or thread), it's time to leave (the pub or thread).

So maybe I'll see y'all in another thread...

Sharon

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Wesley S
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:35 PM

First someone claims that they don't care about anyone's opinion. But you know for a fact that they use their spare time getting on stage to sing or act for an audience. With the hopes of getting applause. That doesn't add up.

I suspect what this person really enjoys is being able to turn the topic of any thread into "it's all about me". And we buy into it when we respond. He's a troll pure and simple – and should be treated like one. Ignore him – and feel sorry for his wife.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: bfdk
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:39 PM

Please add me to the list of Capt'n Kendall Morse fans. I've always liked blokes with a rowdy sense of humour and sufficient self-confidence not to take themselves too seriously :-) As for the Capt'n's other achievements, well, they speak for themselves, don't they?

Best wishes,

Bente

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:45 PM

"..as yet another thread drifts out to sea..."
Because people gotta whine and suck, when they got nothing else...

"trying to play a session in a pub with a TV blaring"
It's a question of what brings in more $ for the pub, unfortunately.... If the music don't sell it, then the music won't last long, and that's a plain and simple fact, unless you have a bar owner who so loves the music that he's willing to run his place at a debt.... Those places tend not to last long.

To people who 'look down' at bar/pub gigs like their skite don't stink, I flip a great big Johnny Cash style bird! Your arrogance is exactly what I'd expect from people so full of themselves (which is to say, 'bullshit')

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,memyself
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 02:59 PM

"I wouldn't CARE

I don't base my sense of self on what others think of me, or of anything"

Doesn't this belong in the "Jimmy Crack Corn" thread?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Songster Bob
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 03:10 PM

I remember an incident in the Washington, DC area from some number of years ago. A local bar had a bluegrass band, one just starting out (but with well-known members from earlier bands). Paid 'em to be there and everything.

The barman turns the TV on, loud, during their set, and won't turn it down (there may have been a football game on, I don't recall). So the band goes looking for another place to play, and starts playing at another bar, one not known for anything special, musically, and ends up "making" the reputation of that bar.

The places in question were the Rabbit's Foot (losers) and the Red Fox Inn (winners, and bluegrass / old-time music mecca for years afterwards). The band called themselves the "Seldom Scene."

So sometimes there is justice in the world, you know?

And now you know ... the rest of the story.

Songbob

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: jeffp
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 03:18 PM

I loved the old Red Fox Inn, and the Seldom Scene as well. I was very sorry when the Red Fox closed down.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 03:19 PM

Of course there is another expression to describe people who only wish to please themselves but it escapes me at the moment...

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 03:19 PM

"So sometimes there is justice in the world, you know?"

Great story, that!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,dwditty
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 03:27 PM

hmmmm, I always figured the paying customers get to decide. If I am there to perform, it is most likely I am considered to be an employee as opposed to a pedestal sitter - making judegements about people based on their reaction to me. If they want to watch tv, it is their choice. I may be disappointed. I may leave. But I certainly would not feel disrespected because they did not want to list to my particular way of moving air molecules.

I also wouldn't get beligerent if someone left in a huff when faced with such a situation.

I think it is discussions such as this that gives us folk musicians our reputation.

dw

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 03:39 PM

You may very well be right on at least a few levels DW

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Folkiedave
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 03:40 PM

The fact is that there are some pub landlords that cannot see the wood for the trees.

I was at the start of a festival last weekend. The pub was asked to get some decent beer in, in quantity and some extra staff. No matter how much you ask and warn people........

We were taking bets at what time they would run out of decent beer. 8.20 pm won. So they had the best part of three hours without any decent beer. Like many others I spent 50 per cent of what I would have done had there been any decent beer.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Declan
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 03:51 PM

This thread started about a musician playing in an (unpaid) session on a voluntary basis. There were no paying punters involved.

By refusing to turn down the volume on the TV set the publican (bar owner/ Manager) made a choice that he did not care whether the mucsicians could be heard or not. Many publicans will make that choice, and there may be sound (no pun intended) commercial reasons for them to do so. But having mader that choice he/she should not expect musicians to come and entertain the customers for free in that particular pub.

Although a lot of pubs are closing down in Dublin, there are still thankfully some places where they are delighted to have musicians come and play. It makes sense for musicians to go and play in these places and not put up with disrespect from people who don't appreciate them.

Someone mentioned smoky pubs earlier. At least that's one problem we did away with in Ireland a couple of years back.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 04:34 PM

"When we sked the bar manager to turn them down he refused, saying that the more volume they pumped out, the harder it was for the customers to have any conversation without shouting. The more they shouted, the hoarser they got. The hoarser they got the more they had to drink. He wanted to sell beer so he wanted the music loud!"

Well, you have to admit that makes commercial sense. But turning up the volume of the band isn't quite the same thing as turning up the volume of the telly to drown out the band.

The answer is, I suppose, people who love folk music just have to bite the bullet and drink more at sessions. And buy the musicians more drinks. (And pay for their taxis home.) It's a hard life folk music...
.............................

I wasn't clear if that bad-tempered lad was just suggesting that people shouldn't complain if a pub thinks it can make more money without folk music, which is sensible advice, or suggesting that it's a good idea to keep on playing to drown out the TV, which seems to me pretty very silly advice.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 04:39 PM

"the more they had to drink"

The same reason for the free popcorn, or peanuts....

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 07:09 PM

closet-folkie

The sad thing is that they were poets, not musos... well, at least they thought they were, I mean...

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Midchuck
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 08:07 PM

I also wouldn't get beligerent if someone left in a huff when faced with such a situation.

I knew Britain had a lot of obscure brands of cars, but that's a new one on me!

Peter.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Cluin
Date: 06 Dec 06 - 10:26 PM

Hell, sometimes I'm watching the TV while I'm playing and singing. Especially if it's a song I've some a hundred times before.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 02:44 AM

Hear FN hear, Bro!!!

been there... done that... got the t-shirt... wore it till it went thread-bare... washed my car with it, till a bird stole it to make her nest....

The arrogant FKS who think that bar/pub gigs are something to look down on won't get it, because they don't have the stones to do the job.

*middle finger to them*

Power to them, playing their little sissy gigs to other tired old hippes who can't fill a room or are so old they've forgot what a good time is..... You enjoy that gig... playing in your sandals and tie-dye.... no... really....

We'll be over here having FUN....

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 04:50 AM

Totally agree with you Clinton. Give me a gig with real people everytime. If you can get through to your type of audience you're having more success than those other closeted, must only share it with the nice people, never seen the real world fools.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,memyself
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 08:48 AM

Oh, goody - Clinton's back in form! I was getting concerned; he almost sounded contrite for a few posts there. Okay, he almost sounded civil.

Believe me, people, he wouldn't last five minutes running off his mouth like that in any of the tougher bars in Windsor.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Skipper Jack
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 09:08 AM

In the late 70's
Due to having to move from previous premises I moved my folk club to a hotel where we were given the use of the lounge bar. We were given the privilege of being allowed to charge at the door on guest nights. This was despite the pub's regulars who used the lounge frequently. The landlord even paid for them to come in when we had guests.

Such consideration is lost these days. When the new licensees took over, the pub was transformed into open plan. The T.V and jukebox took over.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Scrump
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 10:16 AM

"And they all stare up at a TV screen
Overpaid soccer stars, prancing teens"

I arrived at one pub where we had regular sessions to find the TV on - but it was during the World Cup, so we didn't mind. As soon as the match was over, the TV was switched off and we carried on as normal.

But if I found the TV (or other extraneous noise) was regularly interfering with the session, I'd probably agree that it's time to move on and find another venue.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: GUEST,dwditty
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 10:40 AM

Well said Scrump. In other words, you would take the hint, as would I.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: melodeonboy
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 03:51 PM

"Hell, sometimes I'm watching the TV while I'm playing and singing. Especially if it's a song I've some a hundred times before."

Well, Cluin, what sort of prats come to your gigs to watch you doing that? I certainly wouldn't, and I suspect that most folk enthusiasts in the U.K. wouldn't either (I suspect that you're from the other side of the pond). Or are you just wasting people's time by taking the piss?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 04:10 PM

Yeah CH - but you won't be making music (but how did I know that)?

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 04:22 PM

*Here's another bird, flipped for Richard*

I can make music and have fun at the same time.

Can you say the same?

Seems to me that there are an awful lot of rectal-cranial inversions who seem to think the two are mutually exclusive and that their way is the only way to do things....

Fortunately they are wrong... It is a big wide world full of all kinds of different ways to do all kinds of different things.

"most folk enthusiasts in the U.K."
Speaking of... umm... how was it put above? Oh ya... "closeted, never seen the real world fools."

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Gizmo
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 05:01 PM

I'm fairly new to mudcat, and am saddened by CH comments.

Is Ch always like this or is it a form of keyboard tourettes?

Or is this person a joke?

IMO I think given the circumstances, Shaneo did the right thing.
It seems to be a common thing around here, (speaking mainly as a new folkie and morris dancer), that whenever we dance out on a tour, we tend to do the pubs a big favour, it getting more custom. For those publicans who don't want to know, have less custom on the day than if they accepted our little crowd.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: melodeonboy
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 05:06 PM

"I can make music and have fun at the same time."

What's that supposed to mean, CH? Making music IS having fun, ain't it? If it ain't, why do it? Or don't you do it?

By the way, in case nobody's ever told you, arrogance is not generally considered to be a virtue.

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 05:07 PM

"am saddened by CH comments"

Awwww.... that's really sad.... Here... wanna use my hankee??? Maybe while you're holidng back the tears someone will call whine-one-one and have them send you a whaaaaaambulance....

"Is Ch always like this"
Yes... I always stand up against blinkered idiots...

" I think given the circumstances, Shaneo did the right thing"
I agree... But I doubt it accomplished anything....

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 05:22 PM

Well spotted, Gizmo. I think it is actualy In-tour(n)ette syndrome. I've just remembered what that term I was looking for. Doesn't having fun while not caring what anyone else thinks make a mess on your guitar Clinton?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 05:22 PM

100!

Subject: RE: I walked out of session
From: Gizmo
Date: 07 Dec 06 - 05:36 PM

Using your own qoute CH - she stood up to those blinkered idiots.

BTW CH I meant saddened as in disappointed, not reduced to tears. It takes a hell of alot more than a petty minded individual like you to bring tears down my cheeks.

Nice offer of hankies, pity they weren't used as a surrender for futile attempts at standing up for yourself, which have backfired making you sound more like a twerp than you possibly have intended.

I think interlaced with your venom, there are the odd fragments of wisdom, but your presentation of words defies your ability to pronounce yourself as an intelligent counter point for discussion.
Unfortunately on many occasions in this post you have eaten the very proclamations you have spewed, furthermore, you claim you don't care what people think, then you write that you want to stand up against people who to me have very genuine things to say.

Perhaps you have misunderstood mudcat, to say mudthrowing cat? A debate is one thing, but an endless stream of insults is just immature.