BS: Old Pocket Watches

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 09:20 AM

982 Q

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:09 PM

The 982, according to what I could find, was produced from 1935 to 1952 (with modifications during and following WW2.

770 from 1956 to 1969.

987 from 1924 to 1948, but with variations. The first (to 1929) had semi-friction balance jewelling. Them an improved version with improved friction jewelling for the wheel train was introduced.
Now don't ask me to explain that, but go to our old friend google to find http://vintage-hamilton-wristwatches.com/2012/10/hamilton-987-movement-variations....., by Tom Adelstein. The article gives clear pictures of the models.
Adelstein considers his 1938 Martin a bargain, compared "to $5000 + wristwatches made and sold today."

From the Price Guide-
Martin, c. 1941, gold-filled coral (rare) $125-$225. Gold filled yellow $75-$125.
This and all other models are in demand, so expect a good one to sell for at least three times these 2011 catalogue prices.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:49 PM

semi-friction balance jewelling - synthetic jewels instead of the normal ruby or diamond. Wathmakers really don't want the true ruby as much for they break much faster. Most seitz jewels you see are synthetic except for the very old ones

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 03 Jul 13 - 12:50 PM

diamond still the best but way way too expensive

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 11:13 AM

Hey Q
do you want my Hamilton Turner for 200 bucks after Mahlon services it.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 03:11 PM

Yep, I'll take it for sure.
I'll send you an email, asking best way to pay you, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 03:27 PM

I think it was Will Fly who mentioned Wittnauer watches a while back. I ran across a thread by a fellow selling a lot of watches he had reconditioned, and he had a number of Wittnauers.
Some very attractive watches!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 04:50 PM

Yes, 'twas I, Q - I have 3 Wittnauer wristwatches, all from the 1940s, and very nice they are too. Good movements and attractive faces - just like a few women I've known...

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 04 Jul 13 - 07:38 PM

Q
only after Mahlon makes it perfect, needs oiled I can see it losing time so I want it perfect for you

Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:39 PM

very scarce 1942 Original Canadian 992b in a Canadian sturdy case with original Canadian dial. They are very hard to find as all of the Hamilton watches went to the military that were grade 992b or 4992b very few for the civilian market as this is. Mahlon just did a full Coa and replaced the balance staff. Perfect time keeper. Case has had a hard life but fully functional

992b

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 12:46 PM

Pretty slick, Dan. Good on ya!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 01:28 PM

My Canadian 992B has the identical dial, but the figures 13-24 are in red. Mine is c. 1944.

Interesting note from NAWCC:
Around ser. C130,000 the design on the winding wheels changed from circular rings to swirl or smooth pattern.

The gold center wheel changed from gold to another composition around C118,000.

Dates (approx. range)
1941- C40,000
1942- C60,000
1943- C90,000
1944- C120,000
1946- C170,000

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 19 Jul 13 - 01:52 PM

Yup should have shown you the movement. Q, Mahlon also finish the COA on the Hamilton Turner. It was running just a bit fast so he is going to re-time it. Let you know. I spent the day with him yesterday. Lots of fun going around the antique shopping mall looking for watches. Found nothing but he had to go to that town anyway for some sugar for canning. I said hey I will drive you. We had a blast. The hamilton turner he said is mint and it is

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 09:39 PM

Just picked up a nice all original 1020 Omega automatic. Original with original band runs awesome

1020

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:05 PM

Very close to my 1022 in type, just cleaned by my watchmaker.
I was also lucky to get one with the original bracelet and crown, and cleaned but nor restored dial. Both are day-date. The 1022 is a little later, adding a few extra jewels.

1020- 17 jewels
1022- 23 jewels (after c. 1975)

The family (1972-1984) consists of numbers 1010-1022; plus manual wind 1030 and 1035, both 17 jewel. 1011 and 1021 were issued as chronometer (COSC testing).

I would like to find a good 1021 or 1011.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:09 PM

Somehow I have been bitten by the vintage Omega bug. It is a dangerous infection.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:16 PM

I've been bitten by the Roamer bug - much cheaper than Omega but a temptation to buy everything in sight!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:26 PM

Oh Q, I just gave my brother my 1021 Omega. Mahlon fixed it all up for me and he wanted it so I said here.

I got the Hamilton Turner back the 1935 one. It is mint if you still want it just let me know,

Will
I went to a flea market, got a 17 Jeweled Waltham, 21 Jeweled Bulova, 17 Jewel Baron, and an 17 Jeweled Elgin. All automatic wrist watches, from 60's all near mint. the lady said they were her dad's and he worked on watches. No kidding everyone is right on time and not a scratch on the dials or crystals. What a find. Have to give you guys a pic

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:29 PM

Looking forward to it Dan! I picked up a neat Elgin wristwatch from 1953 recently. Was convinced it would be a Swiss movement - but no - Elgin USA 1953!

Elgin Grade 683 from 1953

Elgin Grade 683 from 1953 - movement

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 01:31 PM

Damn! wrong movement URL. Here we go...

Elgin Grade 683 from 1953 - movement

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:47 PM

Olddude, I will paypal the 200 to you in the next couple of days. I will look forward to receiving it.

I have sent an Omega seamaster automatic to my watchmaker. Had it for years, and never opened it. I think I have mentioned it before. I am looking forward to finding out its caliber.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 02:56 PM

Money sent.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jul 13 - 12:43 PM

Between 1972-1980. Omega movements were also sold under the Tissot name.
These are Tissot 2451-2481.
Tissot 2481 is equivalent to Omega 1481 (automatic. 21-24j, date quickset).

I couldn't find Omega movements sold under other brand names.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 04:35 AM

Still checkin in from time to time. Love the pics, especially when movements are included.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 10:41 AM

Q
your watch will go out monday sorry for the delay I will mail when I get back home my brother

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 13 - 07:21 PM

I found an Omega 661 on ebay, This is the smallest ever industrial manufactured automatic movement. Dia. 15.0mm
Manufactured 1961-1973.
661 is 24j, 660 is 17j.
The watch is a rather slim rectangle, 21x40mm. Supposedly in good running condition, 1963, "Hesalite" crystal.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 19 Aug 13 - 11:30 AM

Dan - I found a nice face for the 925 you gave me some time ago. Had it fitted this morning. Here's what it looks like:

Hamilton 925 face

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 09:50 AM

awesome Will

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: gnu
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 03:37 PM

I tried to look at that, Will, and was told I would be advised by email if I was granted access to look at it.

Dan... as you know, I showed of the watch you sent me to Amos and his cousin. They liked it.

BTW... I DTILL haven't wound it. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 07:36 PM

Didn't see, I had to register or some such.

A few months back, I mentioned a South Bend pocket watch, size 12. I had bought it at a watch club, small, thin, light and a good runner.
I couldn't get the back off, but last week my daughter looked at it and with some patented gloves she had, was able to get the back off.
I had been afraid that my efforts would break the crystal.

It is the Studebaker model, 21j, adj. to 8 positions, "extra thin." In excellent condition with a clean GF case, "25 year."

Not RR acceptable, but a nice little watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 08:12 PM

Studebaker model, 21j fine watch for sure. Made by Illinois I believe. They did make some RR models also .. they are very sought after watches.

Mahlon repaired my Hamilton 934 and my Hamilton 996 .. Now I have to get him to restore my Hamilton 990

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 20 Aug 13 - 08:13 PM

wind er up GNU there is nothing you can hurt on it that I can't have fixed

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Aug 13 - 01:22 PM

I just got back from the watchmaker an Omega Seamaster that I picked up at a local auction years ago, but never had serviced.
It is the caliber 503, 19-20 jewel, with a serial number that puts it at 1958-1959. Stainless steel with date, replacement band.
Wearing it and it is running well.
I now have six Seamasters, one needs service.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Aug 13 - 04:32 PM

The Studebaker and 411, 429 were made in the South Bend Watch Company plant in South Bend, Indiana.

Watch cases were made for this model by several companies, including the Illinois Watch Case Company of Elgin, Illinois. Confusion arises because of the name of this company

The watch was never produced in the Illinois Watch Company plant in Springfield, Illinois.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 06:59 AM

I've put my watch pics on Photobucket - so let's see if that 925 with the new face displays properly...

Hamilton 925 face

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 01 Sep 13 - 08:05 PM

Your right Q ... South Bend .. I always get that one confused

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: gnu
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 05:20 PM

Thanks, Dan. Will... the pic is no go for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 03:26 AM

Ah, here we go again...

Hamilton 925 face

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 05 Sep 13 - 01:21 PM

Dan - can you give me Mahlon's address in a PM? (My laptop hard drive crashed a few weeks ago and I lost my contact list).

My Hamilton 23 needs a good service, and I only trust Mahlon to do it for me.

Thanks. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: olddude
Date: 06 Sep 13 - 05:04 PM

Eight Months ago I gave Mahlon a Hamilton 996 for parts only. The plates were corroded, the wheels, the screws. strickly a parts watch. Today he gave me this for my birtday. He removed all corrosion which takes off all the beautiful damaskeen work, so he by hand, reapplied all the intrigate damaskeen on the movement, COA's it .. have a look at a one of a kind Hamilton 996.   He also blued the screws to make the damaskeen work pop.   I put it in a glass back bar over crown case until I can find a Hamilton display case

front

damaskeen inside

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 07 Sep 13 - 04:14 AM

Great stuff, Dan - what lovely workmanship.

I'm very tempted to ask Mahlon to turn my Hamilton 23 case rear into a display cover - the chronograph movement is wonderful to look at.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: maeve
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 11:38 AM

You might all enjoy this:
The man who makes £100,000 watches

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 02:13 PM

Roger Smith is fantastic - I watched a YT video of his where he just made a pair of watch hands - absolutely incredible workmanship!

One day, when I've sold all my possessions, I'll buy George Daniels's book...

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: maeve
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 02:26 PM

There seem to be some good values on eBay for three(?) different George Daniels books...far less than most good pocket watches. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Nov 13 - 04:03 AM

Over the years, a number of people - knowing my interest in things horological - have asked me questions about their own watches, and even given me their throw-outs to wreck (as only I can!). These discussions usually take place in my local pub, in the "old gits' corner", between the witching hours of 5.00pm and 6.30pm.

It was at that time yesterday that an acquaintance of mine handed me a hunter, saying, "This is for you - if you can make anything of it, repay me with a large scotch." The watch was a dark, shiny copper - almost mahogany in colour, through which the machine turning could be clearly seen. The winding stem mechanism was obviously faulty - sometimes winding, sometimes turning the hands and sometimes just turning loosely. The face was signed "Renown".

I got it home, opened up the case covers and spotted hallmarking - Birmingham, 1924, and "A.L.D." for the Dennison case company. I got out my silver cleaning cloth and started an exploratory polish - to reveal an immaculate machine turned hunter case. The face is also mint, with nice blued "moon' hands. The 7-jewel movement, though with the aforementioned stem problems, is as clean as a whistle and, when actually wound, is keeping good time. So - I'm very lucky, and my friend's large scotch will probably metamorphose into at least a half bottle. I'm off to my watchmaker friend Derek next week to get it (hopefully) fettled.

Case front

Case back

Face

The movement's a standard Swiss 7-jewel - nothing to write home about but nice and clean.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 04 Nov 13 - 07:00 AM

My Hamilton 992b is still running as close to perfect as anyone can expect. It has failed, however, to set itself for EST. That's the only advantage my cell phone has for keeping time. Thanks again, Dan!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Will Fly
Date: 04 Nov 13 - 07:37 AM

Same with me Kendall. I have two 992Bs from Dan - both keeping fantastic time. Not quite as accurate as my Seiko Solar V158 wristwatch - but much prettier!

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Nov 13 - 02:16 PM

I just came back Mahlon. He has two new highly trained Amish watchmakers. He said he has a small lull in action so now is a great time if anyone needs service.

I just picked up two mint perfect Hamilton wrist watches. A 1937 Dodson and a 1937 dixon.

Absolutely beautiful .. however I still carry a 992b daily

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 13 - 02:59 PM

Hi, Dan- possibly a silly question, but just womdering how Mahlon pronounces his name. MAH-lon or MAY-lon; have heard it both ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Old Pocket Watches
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 04 Nov 13 - 03:09 PM

May Lon

you gotta see what he is doing ... he made me a pen ... installed a 19J Hamilton ladies watch in it .. so now I have a pen watch .. made the pen barrel made the case .. he just showed it to me ... he has to finish one small thing but said it was for me ... Holy cow was that cool