BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 07:58 PM

"It's a sad commentary when politicans go out of their way to sound and act dumb knowing that they are playin' to an audience that collectively don't have the I.Q. of that of a box of animal crackers..."


                   Speaking of which, did everyone notice that Obama was dropping his "g's" at the end of sentences in the debate last night? I haven't notice people talking like that in Hawaii or Chicago.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:00 PM

Spend a lot of time in Hawaii and Chicago?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 09:48 PM

Some time. I remember getting stuck in O'Hare International for 3 days one time. Of course, there were a whole lot of people there who didn't speak English at all, but...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 09:35 PM

Mr Hypocrite:

You were going to explain what you meant by "...get killed because of their religious beliefs."

Still patiently waiting.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Oct 08 - 10:01 PM

"Still patiently waiting..."

Yeah, right. (rolling my eyes)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:56 AM

Larry King had a show last night with 3 Republican women. Two called for Palin to resign and one said she is still good for the base.

I too believe she is good for the baseist instincts of the most base.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 10:27 AM

I think it is too late to get her off the ticket even if McCain wants to. Too close to the election to do it gracefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:02 AM

Now that he has the religious right wing, I bet he wishes he could swap her for Romney.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:47 PM

It's rather apparent that Mr. Hypocrite will not be giving an explanation of his latest smear "... get killed because of their religious beliefs" any time soon.

It must be the hottest seller at Smears R Us".

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:52 PM

It's equally apparent that Mr Snide won't give up his puerile character attacks on another member of this forum...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Alice
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 09:55 PM

Now that she has been found guilty of an ethics law violation today, she may be booted rather than bail.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 10:12 PM

Perhaps some members are unaware why the stance of Mr. Hypocrite is in fact perfect hypocrisy.

It's very simple--to anybody who reads--rather than wallow in conspiracy theories.

There is no question that Gov. Palin is the only fundamentalist among the 4 presidential/VP candidates. That should be enough for anybody who alleges a concern with the power of organized religion in the public sphere to strongly oppose the McCain/Palin ticket.

Also, McCain himself has made it clear--in fact clear in his entire career--that he is a strict constructionist and as president would appoint judges who share this attitude. Perhaps a recent Canadian contributor to this thread is unaware that the words "separation of church and state" appear nowhere in the Constitution--only the prohibition against establishing a national church. Therefore, strict constructionists will continue to erode the artificial barrier between religion and the state.

That means anybody who is concerned about maintaining any division between the two should strongly oppose McCain as well as Palin.

And anybody who claims to be concerned about the evils religion allegedly does--especially somebody who's been whining about it for years-- should also firmly oppose that ticket.

If that person does not, that person is a proven hypocrite.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 10:32 PM

He simply prefers McCain to Obama, Ron, for a variety of reasons that apparently make sense to him, even if they don't to you or me. That is the only basis of his opinion, and that's all there is to it. He's simply for "anyone but Obama", period, and it isn't because of the religious issues and it doesn't hang on the religious issues. It's because he thinks Obama is "an empty suit" and because he thinks America won't elect a Black man to the presidency (or at least is very unlikely to).

But you don't find it convenient to look at the whole picture of what is going on with Rig, as you wish to simply focus on his hatred of religion exclusively as if that were the determinant of his entire political position. It clearly isn't. And, GOSH! Wouldn't it be strange if it was????

But you'd like it to be. ;-) It allows you to call him a nasty name, "Mr hypocrite", and that satisfies the intellectual bloodlust in your waspish temperament, doesn't it?

Therefore, you are engaging in puerile and pointless character attacks in calling him a hypocrite, but what else would I expect from you? I have therefore dubbed you with a similar name of your own. You are:

Mr Snide, the CEO of "Sneers 'R Us"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:14 PM

Actually, what the First Amendment says about religion is:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

How such a seemingly clear and simple sentence can be the source of so much controversy is, in part, bound up the the ambiguity of the words "respecting" and "establishment". "Respecting" can mean "holding in high regard" or "concerning". "Establishment" can mean the act of establishing, or it can mean a physical building (a church is an "establishment of religion"), or an organization such as a religious denomination (the Episcopal Church is an "establishment of religion").

So, does "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" mean that there will be no establishment of an official national religion? Or does it mean that no particular religion will be held in higher regard than any other? Or does it mean that Congress shall keep its hands off of religion entirely? Either of those interpretations is valid, depending upon what exact meanings of "respecting" and "establishment" one adopts.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Oct 08 - 11:45 PM

Those poor Founding Fathers! They must have thought they'd be dealing with reasonable human beings in the future, not a bunch of damn political lawyers with axes to grind.

What they clearly meant was that the state was not to pass any laws which interfered with people's religious lives and choices, which would be the private business of the people themselves to work out FOR themselves. Congress was not to legislate the conditions of people's religious life and practice.

Sounds like a good idea to me. It guarantees freedom of thought and freedom of religion and freedom of philosophical expression.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 12:33 AM

Okay, it's small. I wanted to make it more or less "one screen" to fit the Mudcat suggestions of propper cut and paste, but it was difficult to find a place to snip this article. So it's tiny instead. Copy it and paste it into a word processor or follow the link. (You should see the size of my monitor--I could fit two such stories on it, so this is a guess at what is "typical").

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/11/us/politics/11trooper.html?ref=us

Gov. Sarah Palin abused the powers of her office by pressuring subordinates to try to get her former brother-in-law, a state trooper, fired, an investigation by the Alaska Legislature has concluded. The inquiry found, however, that she was within her right to dismiss her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, who was the trooper's boss.

A 263-page report released by lawmakers in Alaska on Friday, found that Ms. Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, had herself exerted pressure to get Trooper Michael Wooten dismissed, as well as allowed her husband and subordinates to press for his firing, as a result of a divorce proceeding between him and Ms. Palin's sister in 2005.

"Such impermissible and repeated contacts," the report states, "create conflicts of interests for subordinate employees who must choose to either please a superior or run the risk of facing that superior's displeasure and the possible consequences of that displeasure." The report concludes that the action was a violation of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

What now lies ahead is not fully known at this point. Ms. Palin could be censured by the Legislature, but that is unlikely. Ms. Palin, who was elected governor in 2006, was tapped as Senator John McCain's running mate in late August, about a month after an inquiry was opened into her firing of Mr. Monegan. Her political ascendancy took what was essentially a state personnel matter and elevated it into a national issue, one that has been simmering in the background of an increasingly heated presidential race.

In the report, the independent investigator, Stephen E. Branchflower, a former prosecutor in Anchorage, said that Ms. Palin wrongfully allowed her husband, Todd, to use state resources as part of the effort to have Trooper Wooten dismissed. The report says she knowingly "permitted Todd Palin to use the governor's office and the resources of the governor's office, including access to state employees, to continue to contact subordinate state employees in an effort to find some way to get Trooper Wooten fired." Further, it says, she "knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda."

In his inquiry, which began on Aug. 11, Mr. Branchflower interviewed 19 people and received written responses from 10 others. Three years ago, Mr. Wooten and the governor's sister, Molly McCann, were locked in a harsh divorce and child-custody battle that further turned the Palin family against him. The couple divorced in January 2006. As a result of several complaints against Trooper Wooten, he was suspended from the state police force for five days. However, Mr. Branchflower's report found numerous instances in which Ms. Palin, her husband and her subordinates tried to press for harsher punishment, even though Mr. Monegan and others told them they had gone as far as the law and civil service rules would allow.

Ms. Palin has denied that anyone told Mr. Monegan to dismiss Trooper Wooten, or that the commissioner's ouster had anything to do with the trooper, who remains on the force. But Mr. Monegan has said that he believes he lost his job because he would not bend to pressure to dismiss Trooper Wooten. On July 28, the Legislative Council, a bipartisan body of House and Senate members who can convene to make decisions when the Legislature is not in session, approved an independent investigation into whether the governor abused the powers of her office to pursue a personal vendetta.

Mr. Monegan said in an interview Friday night that he felt relieved. "I feel that my beliefs and opinions that Wooten was a significant factor, if not the factor, in my termination have been validated," Mr. Monegan said. He added, "I was resisting the governor from the very beginning on the Wooten matter to protect her from exactly what just happened to her here, being found to have acted inappropriately."

The report was released after Alaska lawmakers emerged from a private session in Anchorage where they spent more than of six hours discussing the ethics report and what portions should be made public. The legislative council ended up voting unanimously to make part of the overall report public.

At a news conference Friday evening, a local McCain-Palin campaign spokeswoman, Meghan Stapleton, said that Mr. Branchflower's abuse of power finding was the result of an "overreach" by the investigator who went beyond "the intent of the original" inquiry. Ms. Stapleton added that the governor "feels absolutely vindicated" because the report concluded that Ms. Palin was acting within her legal authority when she "reassigned" Mr. Monegan. On July 28, he was told by the governor's acting chief of staff that Ms. Palin wanted him to head the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, and that she wanted to take the public safety agency in a new direction.

In an e-mail statement, Ms. Stapleton said the report shows that the investigation was a "partisan led inquiry run by Obama supporters and the Palins were completely justified in their concern regarding Trooper Wooten given his violent and rogue behavior." A pre-emptive report on the investigation by the McCain-Palin campaign, released late on Thursday, said that beginning in October 2007, the governor and members of her administration repeatedly clashed with Mr. Monegan over budgetary issues and the direction of his agency.

After months of "repeatedly ignoring the governor's budget priorities, making public statements that directly challenged the governor's policy agenda and taking numerous unilateral actions in conflict with the governor in support of his own policy agenda, his replacement in July 2008 should have come as no surprise," that report said.

Mr. Branchflower based his finding of abuse of power on Alaska's Executive Branch Ethics Act, which was established to "discourage executive branch employees from acting upon personal interest in the performance of their public responsibilities and to avoid conflicts of interest in the performance of duty," the report says. It says, however, that "Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Walt Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads." It cites the Alaska Constitution, which says "the governor may discharge department heads without cause."

"In light of this constitutional and statutory authority," the report continues, "it is clear that Governor Palin could fire Commissioner Walt Monegan at will, for almost any reason, or no reason at all." The report states that, while there is no doubt that Mr. Monegan's "failure to fire Trooper Wooten was a substantial factor in his own firing, the evidence suggest it was not the sole reason."

Legislative leaders said that in cases like this, a violation of the ethics law would typically be resolved by the state Personnel Board. However, that scenario is complicated by the fact that the panel is already conducting an inquiry of its own. Ms. Palin has pledged to cooperate with that investigation. Even as Ms. Palin drew large crowds and media attention as she campaigned across the United States, the issue was brewing in Alaska, as the inquiry moved forward. But the campaign repeatedly shrugged off the allegations, stating that they were not serious and that she was not guilty of any wrongdoing.

Still, the allegations undermined the campaign's portrayal of Ms. Palin as a "maverick" who has taken on special interests and fought for average residents. Six Republican lawmakers in Alaska had sued to block the investigation, saying it was unfair and partisan. A lower court rejected the suit, and on Thursday, the Alaska Supreme Court batted down an emergency appeal, paving the way for the publication of the report.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 03:55 AM

Surely she must now go?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:02 AM

This whole Palin/troopergate is another stupid, small distraction from the bigger issues...matter of fact, its really a non issue...and at least considerably smaller than the Acorn stuff!...and even larger, in the small minded world, than any of these. The fact, and most dodged subjects, is the borders, dissolving American sovereignty, nationalizing the banks, and the powers Mr.Bush heaped on the presidency, and the next president inheriting of that very unconstitutional power, given to the executive branch,...not to mention the 'Amero', and the FACT, that the United States has been attacking the middle east, Iraq, and now wanting to do Iran, ..for switching from the dollar, to the Euro, for its trade in oil!...Troopergate???...small things amuse small minds!!!.....or.....Obsession food for morons!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:20 AM

The whole thing is being ignored by the press, because Tony Rezko is singing like a bird to federal investigators.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:25 AM

Hey, Rig....can you be a little more clearer?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:38 AM

sorry for the typo....

Is Rezko blowing the whistle on Oblabbo?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 02:19 PM

Spot on, GfS. Partisan minds are fixating gleefully on utterly petty minutiae such as TrooperGate, etc....which is kind of incredible in the light of the much larger and more significant national issues which are out there to be concerned about.

But never underestimate the pettiness of partisan minds, always searching for another molehill to rave on about while toiling in the shadows of the mountain of national iniquity that towers above them daily.

It's exactly the same predatory mindset, in my opinion, that fuels local gossip in a small town.

So....we have a country that has illegally invaded and occupied another country (Iraq) which never attacked it...and never even had the means to...a country which is planning to do similarly to yet another country (Iran)...and its citizens are meanwhile obsessing about BS like Troopergate and what Reverend Wright said in some sermon years ago.

In-fucking-credible.

The partisan mind will fixate on ANYTHING which it thinks can do damage to the other party. That's all it cares about...doing damage.

But neither one of those damned parties will address the real issues or even speak them out loud. Goodness no! It's like the 3 monkeys. They remain silent, blind, and mute in the face of the obvious criminality of their shared national policy.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 03:37 PM

Well, I'll admit that Obama seems to be blind, but he doesn't seem to be silent or mute--deaf maybe, but not mute.

                      As far as the unauthorized invasion, it was Mexico that invaded the US, and that's the invasion that the political parties won't talk about.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 03:46 PM

Perhaps, Rig, they are getting their karmic return for America's violent theft of Calfornia and the Southwest from Mexico, as well as other attacks launched on that nation on a number of occasions by the USA. ;-)

In any case, the Mexican government has not attacked the USA. You cannot call Latin American emmigration an action by the Mexican government against the USA...it's an action on the part of millions of poverty-stricken individuals to find a better life, that's all.

Obama and McCain are both deaf, blind, and mute regarding the real and most vital issues that should be discussed seriously in this election. That's because they are both being good little party candidates and only saying what they are allowed to by the $ySStem that dangles them on strings before a mesmerized public.

Did Hitler ever admit to being a lawless international aggressor? Goodness no! He was merely "defending" the Reich, so he said. I see a similar level of absolute denial of reality and responsibility in the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Amos
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 03:53 PM

LH:

Obama, I assure you, is neither blind, deaf, nor mute about key issues. I am not persuaded immigration is one of them though.

If our economy were anywhere near its optimum balance, it would be much less of an issue.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 03:53 PM

"...it's an action on the part of millions of poverty-stricken individuals to find a better life, that's all..."


                Actually, it's the action of La Raza, The Nation of Aztlan and others to ethnically cleanse the Southwest United States.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 03:59 PM

You think so?

Well, if so, then it's the karmic bounce back on how White Americans ethnically cleansed those same areas back in the 1800's, seems to me.

They took that land by force from Indians and Mexicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 04:01 PM

Actually, they took it by small pox and diptheria!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Little Hawk
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 04:08 PM

They took California by military action.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Amos
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 04:16 PM

I suspect your posts are the ravings of a paranoid nutball, there, Rig. Dunno how that happened. Mebbe one of them karmic walk-in things.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Alice
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 05:07 PM

A very good in-depth article on Palin

The Village Voice

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 07:37 PM

Well, sniff...

No matter where this train wreck of an election ends uop, I am heartbroken that mah Ms. Sarah just ain't looking too good or soundin' too good these days... This is takin' a toll on her and I fear that if McCain were to drop that the pressures would take her to that big pork barrel in the shy and then Nancy Pelosi would be president... Okay, Nancy is kinda cute a distance but. geeze, I don't think I want her as president!!!

I was kinda likin' the idea of Ms. Sarah 'cause of the entertainment value... I mean, how long do you think that "First Hubby" would last in D.C. before shooting up some folks who made jokes about Ms. Sarah??? I'd give that like 2 days... Now you have the PTA, moose killer in the Oval Office and her hubby in D.C. lockup... And you have "I'm a fun*king redneck" soon-to-be-son-in-law living in the White House with Metallica CD's blastin' out the windows onto Penn. Ave...

I mean, folks, if it gets better than this, I don't know how!!!

So I say tonight, my friends, vote fir McCain and inspite of the messed up things he'll do before he dies in 2 years it will all be worth it... I mean, fu*k it... If we're goin' down then let's go down laughin'... Right???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:19 PM

"They took California by military action."


                      Actually, they really took California by gold rush.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Oct 08 - 09:20 PM

"I suspect your posts are the ravings of a paranoid nutball, there, Rig."


                      I don't think you're looking far enough into them.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:41 AM

From: CarolC
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:31 PM

Canada doesn't seem to have too many people like that, but here in the US they're not at all uncommon. Some of them are serving in the Bush administration, and others are supporting the candidacy of John McCain. Sarah Palin (and her pastors)....

...Or even Obama's pastors...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:43 AM

sorry, forgot to post name...again..

From: CarolC
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 07:31 PM

Canada doesn't seem to have too many people like that, but here in the US they're not at all uncommon. Some of them are serving in the Bush administration, and others are supporting the candidacy of John McCain. Sarah Palin (and her pastors)....

...Or even Obama's pastors... maybe even his criminal supporters, too....ya' just never know, do you????

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:51 AM

No, Obama's former pastor is not an "end times" Christian. And if by "criminal supporters" is meant Tony Rezko, I also tend to doubt that he is an "end times" Christian as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 02:57 AM

Carol,..you just don't get it...its ok...never mind...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 06:59 PM

No, I get it. I know my positions, unlike the person who is saying I don't get it (and who is making a lot of very large assumptions - and who quite clearly is unfamiliar with my posting history). This person thinks he or she has all of the answers and thinks no-one else does, so I guess they don't think it's worth bothering to actually find out what the positions are of the people who they are accusing of "not getting it". But I think that comes with the territory for people with delusions of grandeur.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Oct 08 - 09:15 PM

"This person thinks he or she has all of the answers and thinks no-one else does,"


                     I think that describes everyone on the face of the planet with a political ax to grind.

                     People who have been damaged by affirmative action are probably not going to support Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 12:11 AM

Not all of us think we know what everyone else is thinking. It takes a special kind of person for that.

Women are also recipients of affirmative action. And for this reason, it's no more possible to know if Palin got where she is because of affirmative action than it is to know if Obama got where he is because of affirmative action.

McCain, of course, is the ultimate beneficiary of affirmative action, but it's the highly connected kind of affirmative action. He would never have gotten where he is today had it not been for his daddy and grand daddy being admirals.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 07:52 AM

Yo, Rigs,

Please explain how folks are "damaged" by affirmative action...

(You know, Boberdz... Billy Bob says that he could have been a doctor rather than workin' at Jerry's Tire Center but that they accepted the Black kid from the other end of town because he was Black...)

No, it wasn't because he was Black but because he, ahhhh, didn't drop outta high school in the 10t5h grade, worked his butt off and did well in college...)

(Well, Boberdz, there were plenty of white kids who did well in college, too...)

And yer point??? Show me one who was qualified who didn't get into a medical school...

(It ain't that... It's that they didn't get into "the" medical school that they wanted to attend, Bobz...)

Hey, it's a tough world out there... JMU gets 25,000 apoplicationms every year from qualified high schoolers and only accepts 25% of them because that ios all they have room for...)

(Well, Boberdz, then they should take the top 25% and turn down the others...)

Oh??? Well, first of all that would wreck havock on their basketbakll team...lol... But really, if you talk with people how have the job og making those selections there are other factors, such as the narrative that accompanies the application and diversity...

(There you go again, Bobz, with that "diversity" argument... Why is that all that important???)

Well, I'll tell ya' why... Colleges are training people to work in the real world and the real world is diverse... So if you are being trained in a diverse setting to work in a diverse world than you are a few steps ahead by the time you graduate and ready to go out into that diverse world...

(I don't believe that, Boberdz...)

Nor do any affirmative action haters... They do not recognize that the world is diverse and therefore see no reason to educate people in a diverse setting...

(Yup, that's us...)

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 08:23 AM

If the government is going to step in give something to one person, the chances are pretty good that they'll have to take it away from somebody else. That has created a backlash.
               I shouldn't have mentioned it on this thread, though, I can see that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 10:19 AM

If the government is going to step in give something to one person, the chances are pretty good that they'll have to take it away from somebody else.

Ya mean kinda like the government- Federal as well as that of the Southern States - stepping in and for 200 years giving a person the right to own another person and treat & sell him/her like livestock? You're right - they sure took something away from Black folks.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 10:40 AM

Pointless!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:12 AM

Where is the "give" inaffirmative action, Rigs??? The governemnt isn't giving anyone anything but collectively giving us all an opportunity to learn in a diverse setting...

The alternative is what we had prior to Brown v. Board of Education, Topeka, Kansas...

If that is what you are for then I'd sure nuff respect you more for saying it rather than use codified arguments against affirmanative action...

I mean, I stop at this general store in the morning to get my Washington Post and there is a guy in there who, knowing I am working for Obama, makes it a point to say that America ian't ready for no Black president... I respect that alot more than the crap (rationalizations) that others say who feel the same way as this guy for bnot voting for Obama...

I mean, lets be honest here...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:15 AM

The only point I was trying to make is this: people who have been victims of affirmative action are not likely to vote for Obama. That's all!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Amos
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:23 AM

I think the whole concept of affirmative action was to redress a wide-spread victimization of bigotry in the culture, no? I Suspect that condition had a much larger collection of victims than and who could claim to be "victimized" by affirmative action itself.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:49 AM

She's in it to win it.





"Just who is this BHO guy? Barack...Obama?
Does anyone really know?

We know he set his sights on our White House in the living room of a domestic terrist. With the the help of that domestic terrist who blew up the Pentagon, Barack then took aim at a true hero, John McCain. Are we gonna jus let Barack Hussein Obama shoot off his mouth about change when no one knows what changes to God's plan for America he wants to destroy?
What are we gonna do about it?
Obama is gonna get what he deserves, he's gopnna be stopped on November 4th by your vote for President John McCain.

Barack Obama won't know what hit him! Real American heros like soccer moms and sportsmen who won't surrender their guns will be the ones who will save America from "that one". (lick finger and paint imaginary mark in the air)

Were not gonna let him stop the surge, were not gonna let em give your money away in a free for all bail out to wall street fat cats, were not gonna let em, raise your taxes. Were gonna stop Barack Obama dead in his tracks and get America back on the right track. I know real Americans like you will do the right thing when the time comes.

Ya know weve been as polite as we can... but come November, its up to you to get rid of Obama once and for all and elect a real American Hero John McCain.

Lock and load America, were gonna do right by America once and for all and blast Obama outta this race and elect John McCain to protect and serve the traditional America that you love and worship. (shoot imaginary pistol in the air and blow smoke from the barrel)"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin Bailout Date Contest???
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Oct 08 - 11:54 AM

Yeah, that's the difference we have, Rigs... I don't see "victims" in affirmative action... All I see are winners... No losers... No victims... Just winners...

B~