BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: GUEST,999
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 07:54 PM

"Is Sarah going to do one of those circus acts where you get shot out of a giant cannon?"

If so, she could be hired and fired on the same day.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 09:39 PM

" Rightwingers will come out for the primary".   Right. However, smug confidence that the candidate they choose will be unelectable shows the ignorance of history we have come to expect from this poster.

It's interesting that he can't seem to even remember back to 1980.

Rightwinger won in the primaries. His name was Reagan.   And then what happened?


As I've said, more than once, 2012 hinges on 1) a hot war if there is one and 2) the economy--especially unemployment.   Unemployment has to drop hugely from its current 10% by 2012 or President Obama has serious problems--from anybody the Republicans pick.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 09:41 PM

And as I've also noted more than once, 2012 is so far in the future that any speculation on the outcome is wasted bandwidth.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Nov 09 - 10:32 PM

You are so right, Ron. Every US election depends on either 1. a hot war or 2. the economy to decide who wins it. It's a pity the weather isn't so predictable, isn't it? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 09:26 AM

The difference between Ron Raygun and Ms. Sarah is that Ronnie had the ability to "act" and Ms. Goodbody doesn't... So Ronnie could look all puffy and presidential and folks bought into that... Ms. S can't do that... Rather than being able to act all she knows is how to *act out*, just like the birther-girther-slirther retards who support her... This is going to present a problem fir the ol' gal in trying to win over, ahhhhhhh, intellegent people who have some basic understanding that having a president, i.e. George W, that you'd "like to have a beer with" ain't all that it's cracked up to be....

But should I be wrong and she does coral the nomination from the Rudican Party then I'd love to write some of the ads for the Dems...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 10:49 AM

As I've said, more than once, 2012 hinges on 1) a hot war if there is one and 2) the economy--especially unemployment.   Unemployment has to drop hugely from its current 10% by 2012 or President Obama has serious problems--from anybody the Republicans pick.

Oh Simple Seeker Of Truth, my lad, please put together a logical argument, with direct quotes,--as opposed to unsupported ex cathedra pronouncements.

Or is that too much of a strain for you?

Saying it more than once don't make it so.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 11:30 AM

She was doing okay in Alaska before we knew her real well. I'll never forget when she created a mini scandal out of thin air. A popular Anchorage Police Chief had been made State Public Safety Commissioner and then was abpruptly dismissed from his job by then-Governor Palin. It was like the sudden breakup of an apparently happy family.
It developed over time that the Commissioner had resisted terminating a State Trooper who had personal difficulties with the Governor's family. Allegations fly to-and-fro to this day but the one obvious fact is that the Palins play public ball over personal issues and are not adept at it.
Palin may shine forth from time to time, and she may attract attention and some support, but her biggest enemy is: Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:01 PM

"Palin may shine forth from time to time, and she may attract attention and some support, but her biggest enemy is: Palin. " robo

Remember the old joke? "Not while I'm alive." :)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:03 PM

I don't think I know that joke, Ebbie. How does it go?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Alice
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 01:55 PM

Sarah acts like the mean girl of the popular clique in high school. She holds grudges against people and seeks revenge for imaginary insults and never takes responsibility for what she does wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 02:26 PM

Anybody who doesn't think that the two determinants in any presidential election are:

1) a hot war, if there is one, and

2)   the economy

is cordially invited to provide a counter-theory, with the specific determinants he or she favors.

I wonder if it can be done without slipping back into the gutter. We'll soon see.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 02:35 PM

I repeat: unemployment must drop substantially from 10% by 2012 or President Obama has serious problems--from any Republican.

The good news is that it is likely to do so, just because of the economic cycle.

But if by some chance it does not, I'd like somebody to explain why President Obama would be re-elected.

Especially since the other factor, war, is not in his favor.   Wars these days are not ended with clear victories in many cases--and Afghanistan is a perfect illustration of one which will not have a clear end.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 03:05 PM

I predict it will have a miserable, drawn-out, and dwindling end kind of like Vietnam.

Successful "Afghanistanization" (meaning defeat) will be cynically declared at some point as if it was a victory, and the Allied coalition will crawl off miserably back where they came from, pretending that the place is better off for them having been there. Fighting will continue between rival Afghan factions for awhile after. Then somebody else will assume power in Kabul and things will sort of slowly fester back to relatively "normal". Maybe. That's the most optimistic view, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 03:06 PM

This is not the memory I have of the saying - I think it was a US comedian where I first heard it but googling brings this up:

"Broadcast on The Westminster Hour, Sunday March 31 2002

One of the first lessons a young politician learns is that while the other parties may be your opponents, you should always look among your own side to find your true enemies. And relations with hostile colleagues can often be a defining force in a political career. What's more, these political rivalries are more than personal tales - they have extensive political consequences. In this series I will be exploring some of the most intriguing political rivalries of the twentieth century. Let's start with the long-running feud between two great figures in Labour party history, Ernest Bevin and Herbert Morrison, which provides us with our title. The story goes that someone once remarked of Morrison that he was his own worst enemy, and Bevin immediately butted in to say "Not while I'm alive, he ain't". Perhaps it's too good to be true, but without doubt it accurately represents Bevin's hatred towards his Labour colleague."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/the_westminster_hour/1899102.stm

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 03:24 PM

Here's some insight into how many/most Alaskans feel about the fetchin' Sarah Palin:

From 'Going Rouge'

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 03:58 PM

Ebbie--

Do you think it's "most" Alaskans?   That would be good news indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: gnu
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 04:00 PM

Link won't work for me, Ebbie.

Fetchin.... tempting in more ways that one. >;-)

Be still, gnu.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 06:05 PM

So then, Grasshopper oh Simple Seeker of Truth, it is as I thought.

Ex cathedra pronouncements are permissible for your exalted self- but not for others.

A classic example of hubris & hypocrisy.

Coming from you! Imagine my surprise.

So piss off- I ain't playing your game.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 06:25 PM

The link works for me, gnu, but here's the URL: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuckraker/going-rouge---an-american_b_357676.html

Ron, it seems to me that it's most Alaskans; however, I live in Juneau, Alaska's hotbed of liberalism. :) I literally don't know anyone who isn't appalled by the possibility of her attaining governmental power.

At last night's music, the near-consensus - barring a couple of us - was that she is a flash in the pan, that she is exactly where she wants to be: the center of attention and with the prospect of making real money, that tying herself to a governmental position would be a step down for her. They opined that the American people, and even more precisely, the Republicans would/will have nothing of her.

I am not so sure. I reminded them that Reagan went on, the darling of the right. A couple of the faces sobered.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 08:44 PM

If Sarah has the sense to abandon the Republicans and run on the APP (American Primate Party) ticket alongside Chongo next time, she will become one of the biggest success stories in the history of the WORLD!!!!!!!

Only one little hitch in the plan. Chongo's close friend and 2008 campaign manager, the lovely Renata Carson, says she will quit the APP and never talk to Chongo again if that ever happens.

This makes it a tough decision for Chongo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Nov 09 - 10:26 PM

Chongo never struck me as the sentimental sort.

Come to think of it, he has never struck me.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 06:09 AM

You'll never convince Sarah she's a primate, LH. That would bring her too close to recognizing evolution.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 12:27 PM

Good point. Besides, she will want the top spot next time (president), and there's no way Chongo is going to give her that. I can just imagine the scene...Sarah Palin addressing a roaring crowd of chimps, gorillas, baboons, orangutans, and monkeys at the APP Convention with her snappy little one-liners, her $20,000 dress, and her sly wink. Man, it would really be something to see. It would be a whole new chapter in inter-species relations. But it ain't gonna happen.

Rumor is that Sarah Palin would rather shoot a chimp than talk to him...unless he promises to vote for her in 2012.

Anyway, Renata has laid down the law. Sarah Palin will NOT campaign alongside Chongo. No siree. The show is over, folks. Nothing to see here. Just move on, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 01:15 PM

Jumping in kind of late, to lob an opinion into the thread: I've heard her discussed over the weekend on various NPR programs. I am happy to say that many of them seem to share my view, that most people of average intelligence are still bright enough to recognize that there are some jobs they shouldn't take on because they don't have the skills to learn how to do it at the level it needs to be performed. Palin is probably of average intelligence, but she is clearly lacking the personal evaluational skills to realize that she's in way over her head and will never have the critical thinking skills to succeed in high office. Let's hope she learns how to save money, so when her looks go she has enough money to live on in her old age.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 01:49 PM

Ebbie:

I've heard of the rejoinder: "Not while I'm alive" but my phrasing of "Pailin's worst enemy is: Pailin" was to say in a nice way what I've felt for some time: She's got some nice points (and legs, according to the Newsweek cover), but from a political point of view, she's a screwup. She's a media dream all the way, but she will raise a lot of blood pressures and disappoint a lot of fans before it's over.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 02:11 PM

"I am happy to say that many of them seem to share my view, that most people of average intelligence are still bright enough to recognize that there are some jobs they shouldn't take on because they don't have the skills to learn how to do it at the level it needs to be performed."

Ha! what a fuckin' joke,How much intelligence does it take to wreck your financial system, saddle the children of you populace with gigantic national debt, or make unwinnable war on small defenceless nations?

Mrs Palin or somebody very like her could start a motivation process in an electorate long thought dead!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 02:12 PM

I knew, robo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 02:37 PM

Do you not think we have heard enough from "intelligent weasel worded politicians"

We in the UK and in the US need a motivator, forget left, right, Dem Pub.....we need to save the species and that means doing it ourselves, stopping consumerism and waste, doing real jobs, getting our hands dirty!
Maybe even believing in the principles espoused by Jesus the philosopher.........Isnt that what Mrs Palin really stands for? Or is it so important to go to the correct schools and colleges, to have all the degrees, to know the black art of political manipulation?(better cross that one out before our resident witch finder sees it, eh?).............Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 04:54 PM

"Do you not think we have heard enough from "intelligent weasel worded politicians" ake

I don't think that "weasel-worded" is part of the job requirement, ake, but "intelligent politicians" would be nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 05:00 PM

I think some of them are quite intelligent. That does not mean, however, that they will act in the interests of the electorate once elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 06:39 PM

What we need at this moment is not some nanny state, police state, or similar organisation by those who would rule us, but the simple realisation that we as individuals are on our own in the survival stakes.

We dont need to be super intelligent to know that this system and the services it supports is in meltdown and has been so for twenty years, propped up by credit and newly printed money.
Western society no longer supports itself by what it produces, or even what it can steal from others. The centre of gravity has shifted, Capitalism is blindly searching for new victims to leech from....a race to oblivion.

We are all coming to see that politians cannot help us when we have nothing to give in return, we must rely on our own strength and our goodwill to neighbours.

Within a couple of decades I see a subsistance economy, much like the years following WW2 for many of the people in Western Europe and America.....the Third World will rise and fall just as we have done, perhaps we will see a revolution against Technology, destruction of the wheel and all it produces...who knows...or shall we continue to destroy one another and our environment in a mad search for a "better easier" life.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 07:53 PM

Ake, whatever we need, it isn't a simple-minded bimbo. And that's Palin to a T.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Nov 09 - 08:16 PM

Ake, it isn't that new money has been "printed" exactly...it's been merely created on balance sheets and ledgers and digital records in the form of debt...but it hasn't been printed. The printed cash and coin in circulation is probably less than 1 per cent of all the money that is supposedly in play in the system right now, most of it sitting supposedly in the banks (but it's not really there because it's not real).

For a really interesting read on how banks have done this by creating debts (through lending money) and drawing interest on those debts, thereby creating vast amounts of fictional money and steady inflation...read "The Creature from Jeckyl Island", among various other books on the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:27 AM

"coming from you".

Kaum zu glauben.

So the poster who doesn't think 10% unemployment for 4 years would be a serious re-election problem for President Obama has declined to provide his own criteria on which the 2012 election will be based, though he was cordially invited to do so. He does not believe the main factors will be 1) war and 2) the economy.    I'm sure his omission to list his own determinants is just an oversight.   Soon he will give us his theory.   Since I'm sure he wouldn't want to be mistaken for a vulgar clueless ideologue who can criticize, is indeed given to apoplectic spluttering, but has no ideas of his own.

I'm quite certain he is not such a person.

Though admittedly it does seem to be true that he is far more comfortable in the gutter. There seemed to be a palpable sigh of relief in his last posting, since he could relax and be himself. I'm sure nobody would want him to be uncomfortable. I certainly want him to be totally happy.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 08:47 AM

Rant On, oh Simple Seeker, Rant On. I'm sure you're impressing yourself mightily.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 12:06 PM

There's an almost fatal level of sarcasm hovering in the air around here... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 11:42 PM

Gee, Greg, I assure you that whenever anybody describes you as a clueless vulgar ideologue with no idea of his own--or even as a vulgar clueless ideologue--I object strenuously.   Just as when they allege that your claim to be a professor who has taught 19th century history for several decades is a total fabrication. Since anybody with a smattering of knowledge of history or politics would be able to grasp the concept of political capital, which seems to elude you. And would certainly realize that the #1 and #2 determinants of virtually any US presidential election--definitely the one in 2012-- are 1)   war and 2) the economy. When they bring these accusations against you up, I always defend you, and say there must be an explanation.

Though I do have a problem trying to rebut those who say that not only is it obvious that war and the economy are virtually always the top two determinants in any US presidential election, but that this is so painfully obvious that objecting to it is tantamount to objecting to Darwinism--another "theory".    It is blazingly obvious to any sentient being that both are true.   So it follows that if you don't believe both of these you are not a sentient being. You're being pictured as so bound by ego that you refuse to admit the obvious if you yourself did not say it---that you pick out the least seaworthy vessel and lash yourself to the mast. I'm sure of course that this is rank slander, and that you are unquestionably a sentient being. So I do my best to defend you.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Nov 09 - 11:46 PM

I gotta song fer that country western Taylor gal, sorta goes sumpin like this.





When I was just a little girl
I asked my mother, what will I be
Will I be pretty, will I be rich
Here's what she said to me.

Hey Sarah, Palin,
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours, to see
Hey Sarah, Palin
What will be, will be.

When I was young, I fell in love
I asked my sweetheart what lies ahead
Will we shoot raindeer, from an airplane
Here's what my sweetheart said.

Hey Sarah, Palin
Whatever we see, we see
The future's just hours, for me
Hey Sarah, Palin
What we see, we see.

Now I have children of my own
They ask their mother, what will I be
Will I be handsome, will I be rich
I tell them tenderly.

You betcha, ya know
It took that ol man Mc Cain
ta give me some TV fame
now book tours are just a game
so Hoo Raw Hoo Raw

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 04:21 AM

Nice sense of humour Don.....You ole cynic you!! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 09:20 AM

Rave On, there, Simple- told you I wasn't going to play "Simple Seeker Says" any longer. Do have fun playing with yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 10:55 AM

my other Palin song was set to the Gambler. "know when to walk away, know when to run."


You know what a cynic would not do? A cynic would NOT compare and contrast Sarah Palin with another lady and mother who went on to become president.

The similarities are shocking!

Going Raw
An American Opportunist

A ghost written autobiography of a selfless dedicated mother who honed her political skills to eventually become president of her country.

She attended grade school through Teachers' Training College in the cold winds of icy Milwaukee. More on this remarkable young woman

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 12:34 PM

Palin is in her 40s. She still has the time - if not the interest or the ability - to earn respect

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Amos
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 12:41 PM

Sarah Palin is not simple-minded in any clinical sense, but she is simplistic in her thinking. In positions of power this is almost always a liability--witness "black or white" W--because it reduces complex situational flows to static binary judgements, greatly increasing the probability of error, ja?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Smedley
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 12:47 PM

Agreed, Amos, but the problem is that large parts of the public crave the simplicty of such stances, as the real complexity of issues is difficult to acknowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 01:10 PM

Indeed, Smedley. The public generally is quite impressed by politicians who boldly state things from a simple and dramatic stance, backed up by an attitude of impassioned moral certainty. Consider Ronald Reagan's popularity in that regard.

It's much more important in modern marketing to look right and to sound right than to BE right. Politicians know this, and that is why most of them engage in a great deal of posturing. Their handlers know it even better, and that is why they are given disingenuous and misleading speeches to read. It's almost all PR rather than real content. It's a sales job.

The question is whether Sarah can sell herself effectively to enough people in order to succeed. That's always the question.

Obama, for example, sold himself very effectively to the people in 2008. His was the most brilliant campaign in that sense. McCain's performance was quite poor in that sense. Hillary's performance was rather good, but she couldn't touch the sales job that Obama had going for him....and he did get far more funding, and funding is crucial to a sales campaign.

Now what is the reality? I very much doubt that the USA is going to pull out of Iraq. It looks to me like the Afghan war is going to be continued indefinitely, probably intensified. There may yet be a war with Iran. Guantanamo has not been closed, and I doubt that it will be. The Palestinians have not been offered anything useful to resolve their conflict with Israel or to improve their wretched situation. The so-called Health Care bill looks to me like a big gift to the private health insurance companies which will provide them with a lot more customers.

So did people get what they voted for? No. What they got (from the Duopoly) was a cyclical and cynical change of party (Big F-in deal!), an intelligent black couple in the White House (Well, that's kind of refreshing to see...who'd-a thunk it?), basically the curtains have been changed and the furniture's been dusted and moved around, but Americans are still living in the same house they were living in back in 2008, and it's running by the same rules. And the wars go on. And the banks rule the roost.

Will Sarah Palin ever become president? Well...who can say...but she will if the powers that be in Amerika decide that that can best serve their ultimate purposes at some point, and if she doesn't torpedo herself so badly as to make the necessary PR job to put her there completely impossible. If that should happen, well, then they'll just find another "face" to sell. There's always another face to sell. Politicians are temporary and expendable, but the great money-driven $ySStem that places them before you intends to be around forever.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Amos
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 02:10 PM

You are jaded, cynical, myopic and bitter in these matters, Monsieur le Hack. Also dismissive, condescending, somewhat smug and (in my humble small opinion) not quite in touch with reality.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 02:51 PM

You need not define realite' pour me mon ami, eet defines itself in every changeable moment. In zee future zee Palin wars will be heralded as the pinnicle of the Boosh doctrine. Zee songs of these wars will be few but will be sung by rapturous fervent patriotic souls, such az

Thank goodness for little guerres
for little guerres grow bigger every day...
without them what would leetle boys do.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 03:18 PM

Zee petite hawk , how you say, heet zee nail on zee head.

Zee right wing tout la Monde all speak of zair issues in highly emotional words dezined to evoke zee most feeiings of fear, dread, malady and woe. Zee progressive defers to zee even toned factual well reasoned response. Ecoute' Hitler, now listen to Chamberlin or even le Churchill. Liszen to zee rants et tears of Beck ou Limbaugh
et contrast theze to Thomas Friedman.

What do zee people remember? Zey remember zair feelingz of outrage and zee fear. Zey recall feelingz of pride for be called zee greatest patroits on zee planet.

Of what do zey remember of the liberal speech? Pour chance zey recall a few facts that fade like shells in ze sands at tide.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 03:48 PM

Donuel, your dissertation reminds me of some years ago when I asked an operative of a private employment agency why the agency was called 'Verk'.

He said it's kind of a play on 'work' as a German would say it, he said.

I reminded him that a German would not pronounce Verk like 'work' at all, that in German a V is an F. He had no idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin on Oprah TV show 16 Nov
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 03:55 PM

Madam Ebbiette, ziss alter ego ez zupposed to be French, not Allamande. IF eet is verte' annoying, blame Amos