UK political topics 2025 1 thread only

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: Aethelric
Date: 17 May 25 - 09:14 AM

Leaders that could make a difference are simply brought down by the establishment.

For example Jeremy Corbyn with lies about anti-semitism and Alex Salmond with lies about sexual harrasment.

Both tory and labour politicians would rather see Nigel Farage in power than a socialist or left winger.

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 19 May 25 - 11:44 AM

I thought for sure this thread would be blazing away today. What do you think of this "Reset"?

I've copied the link and am making this a gift article so it should be readable from anywhere. Britain and E.U. Strike Landmark Post-Brexit ‘Reset’ Deal
The agreement includes a new defense partnership and reduced checks on food and drink, removing some trade barriers after months of negotiations.

Sounds like the fishing question has been pushed down the road?

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 May 25 - 04:02 PM

Today is an historic day.

In our election manifesto last year, we promised to deliver an improved and ambitious relationship with our European partners.

And today we have delivered on that promise.

After years of chaos and delay under the Tories, our Labour Government has negotiated and secured a new agreement with the EU that delivers on security, safety and growth.

It means:

A better deal for UK business, with less red tape and improved access for businesses exporting to the EU
Food and drink products flowing more freely between the UK and the EU, helping lower costs and boosting choice on supermarket shelves
Closer co-operation on energy security, without UK business being hit with increased taxes
Better sharing of security intelligence data, to boost our ability to catch dangerous criminals
Less time queuing at airports, with more British holidaymakers able to use more eGates in Europe
Labour has been clear all along, the deal that the Conservatives negotiated with the EU sold us short. Britain always deserved better.

This new deal shows the difference that a Labour government can make. It delivers for working people on jobs, bills and borders. It delivers for UK business on exports, trade and growth. It is our Plan for Change in action.

And it shows that Britain is back on the world stage, securing deals that will grow our economy and put money back in the pockets of British people.

In the last two weeks alone, we’ve delivered trade deals with India and the United States. And now we can add a new and improved deal with the EU. Jobs saved, more growth, wages rising.

While the Tories and Reform continue to bicker over Europe, defending a status quo that they themselves know isn’t working, our Labour Government is providing leadership in the national interest.

We know there is much more to do. But today is an important step in our mission to put more money in the pockets of working people across Britain and build our long-term stability and security.

Thank you,

Nick Thomas-Symonds MP
Minister for the Constitution and European Union Relations

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 May 25 - 05:35 PM

It would help if you would post your source for the obvious C&P, Dick.

Yes, Stilly, it is very significant. I am still trying process it but first thoughts are that the fishing rights are insignificant. We have had no fishing fleet for many years but I am no expert on how it will affect those left,

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 May 25 - 02:24 AM

the source was an e mail sent by the mp, reason because i used to be a member of the labour party before Corbyn was shasfted.
it is signed by Nick Thomas-Symonds MP
Minister for the Constitution and European Union Relations

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 May 25 - 04:22 AM

As this was a copy of an e mail sent to me by the Labour party it is biased, however imo it is better than nothing

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 May 25 - 10:15 AM

> I thought for sure this thread would be blazing
> away today.

The only ones to be blazing away are the extremists at both, erm, extremes ("Betrayal" vs "Not far enough"). Those of us in between are tentatively relieved that *something* has actually been done which on the face of it looks constructive, and are hoping it doesn't get derailed by the inevitable meeja feeding frenzy in a blizzard of dog-whistles.

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: Fred
Date: 20 May 25 - 10:44 AM

Here's what I think.

The Lib Dems are saying the "Reset" doesn't go far enough, Tories and Reform say it goes too far, so maybe Starmer has got it about right. Time will tell.

Fred

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 25 - 03:49 AM

Having considered the implications, I think I am happy with Starmer's deal. It is a step in the right direction anyway and the concessions over fishing rights will only affect an industry that has all but left these shores anyway. Trouble is, the Daily Heil will sell this to its readers as giving away our sovereignty and whip up another wave of xenophobia. I don't have much time for Starmer and his Tory lights but, in this case, he has my sympathy. Either do the right thing for the country or risk the moronic wrath of the brexiteers.

Subject: RE: UK political topics 2025 1 thread only
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 Jun 25 - 07:06 AM

Re earlier posts about coal.

BBC Radio 4Extra recently repeated the 5 part series

Worked Out

Episode 3 Kent

"Ian McMillan explores the marginal and forgotten coalfields of England.

Most British pits closed long ago and memories are fading whilst away from the major coalfields many people don't even remember that coal was recently mined in Somerset, Kent, Shropshire, Cumbria and The Forest of Dean.

Are we doomed to forget our industrial past?

How do the ex-miners in the Garden of England remember it?

Ian is in Kent to chat to Mike Sole, Fred Thompson, Bill Gilham, Sam Robinson and Jim Davies.

With music from The Betteshanger Welfare Brass Band.

Producer: Tim Dee"

It was an interesting programme which covered the history of miners coming from other parts of the country to work here and the reception they got from some of the locals.


A couple of years ago, people from The Aylesham Heritage Centre, opened a pop up shop in Dover devoted to the history of the Kent mines. A very friendly bunch they were too. Within a couple of minutes after entering, 2 of the volunteers engaged me in conversation. I am old enough and local enough to have been at school with miners children, so already knew some of the history.