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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 11 Dec 06 - 12:42 PM Do You understand proxy? Does that mean that when the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team calls another named poster a name like idiot, or buffoon - that they are speaking for Max? And when he posts that our forum is no longer a place to goof off or have a discussion and calls for memebers only posting - that he is speaking for Max? That when an anonymous 'moderator' deletes an entire thread - they are speaking for Max? Or when the current chief of the Mudcat Editing Team restores the same thread as he judges this did not meet the criteria - that he is speaking for Max? --------------------------------------------------------------------- MMario you know the issue is NOT the right of this site's owner to 'moderate' our forum or to decide what remains on it but the values behind this and manner in which it is seen to be decided. I do not know Max personally but from his public statements over many years I have not formed the impression that he is a bully or would condone any bullying and unfair treatment - even when this is claimed to be undertaken in his name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Dec 06 - 12:46 PM Shambles says:MMario - you may not like what the truth is - but it is as well to accept it as being the truth - rather than to try and keep up the pretence that it is something else. Well Shammy HERE IS THE TRUTH
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 11 Dec 06 - 02:40 PM Are a few favoured posters now openly encouraged by our 'moderators' to feel they have some right to try and prevent, certain discussions from being freely conducted? Perhaps that is what Max was referring to in the following? I've got to tell you, I'm sick and tired of some of the crap that I've seen lately. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 11 Dec 06 - 02:50 PM You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 11 Dec 06 - 02:51 PM Perhaps everyone can start ignoring this thread since everything that has to be said was already said in the closed one. Just let Shambles have a good time raving on and on and on. He doesn't really care what anyone else thinks anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Dec 06 - 02:51 PM No Shamby, he was mainly referring to Martin Gibson and YOURSELF! Read the post above yours and explain, if you can, your inability to perceivr THE TRUTH. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 11 Dec 06 - 03:33 PM Ah the truth. It is intesting what my detractors decide to leave out when they quote Max's public statement - for it was not only me who was addressed by name in this - was it? I've got to tell you, I'm sick and tired of some of the crap that I've seen lately. Martin Gibson: you have to pack up and go. Your knowledge and contributions are valuable, and it's a shame that your sociopathy prevents us from hosting you or taking you seriously anymore. Shambles: I just don't care anymore. You press your point, time after time, until you press too far and then complain about the check. You do this purposefully to prove a point, but in the end, you are a distraction from the real point of this site. You too, should bid farewell. Joe: Do I need to separate you two? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 11 Dec 06 - 04:23 PM As to Frasetti's visualization of DeJah Thoris, I think you'd have to say that he absorbs. His two main fixations are abs and orbs. And how can you mention Edgar Rice Crispies without mentioning the Pellucidar books? Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 11 Dec 06 - 04:25 PM It is open to interpretation but I read "Joe: Do I need to separate you two?" as "Joe: Would you like me to remove The Shambles?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: John MacKenzie Date: 11 Dec 06 - 04:26 PM You forgot Hairy Arse Truman as well. G |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Dec 06 - 04:31 PM Pellucidar indeed, Jerry! Neat stuff. I really, really don't like Frazetta's "art". I think it's ugly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 11 Dec 06 - 04:36 PM Please feel free to contribute to an entire thread devoted to Dejah Thoris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: MMario Date: 11 Dec 06 - 04:39 PM if the question is not about whether or not the moderators have the right to edit and delete posts - which right they do have, and the issue is your perceived treatment by them: then **TAKE IT UP WITH MAX PRIVATELY** as has been requested by him, by people acting for him, and by numbers of other posters. And if you can't remember him asking - it's probably becuase you were too busy crying wolf about other things. As I have said - you've quoted his request about this type of issue yourself - so you MUST be aware of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Wesley S Date: 11 Dec 06 - 04:50 PM Hmmm - Little Hawk. You DON'T like Frazetta's art but you DO the the "acting" of William Shatner? Both of them are overblown and exagerated. You don't see the connection? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Cluin Date: 11 Dec 06 - 04:52 PM I like Frazetta's art. But then I like big bums. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 11 Dec 06 - 05:31 PM then **TAKE IT UP WITH MAX PRIVATELY** as has been requested by him, by people acting for him, and by numbers of other posters. I have asked you to provide where Max has requested this - but you have still to provide this information. Nor have you shown where Max has given his permission for our 'moderators' to publicly insult named posters, call other posters names and encourage other favoured posters to follow this example. Other posters have requested that 'those acting for him' do not continue to conduct their private disputes against named individual posters in public - but little notice is taken of this by our 'moderators'. And as I have said earlier - but you do not seem to have read....... Perhaps if our 'moderators' did not feel they had some right to make public any criticism, and speculation about the possible motives individual named posters and reveal to our forum assumptions and details about them which perhaps they should not reveal in public - calls for what are described by our 'moderators' as 'complaints' to be taken up privately would have more credibilty? MMario - under the circumstances - do you not think your request is a double standard? When all complaints about what posters choose to post are limited to personal messages and comments and explanations amongst themselves about why our 'moderators' have imposed the judgements they have - are not routinely made in public - there may be some credibilty in them asking for any adverse comments concerning their conduct to made privately also. When public witch-hunts are seen to be mounted and other poster encouraged by our 'moderators' to post only abusive insults, foul language and childish name-calling - what you request is unreasonable. Especially when my concern is ensuing that all posters on our forum are made aware of the true nature and current level of all types of imposed actions and are able to freely discuss this with informed opinions. As been pointed out - there is no expectation that any compliments about our 'moderators' should be made privately - is there? When the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing team sets the example of thinking that anything goes in abusing his privileged position, when making public his personal disputes with individual posters, and asking and expecting support for this - do you not think it a double standard that you honestly expect other posters not to follow this example? Perhaps you should be thankful that I and others do not follow the example set by our 'moderators' - to the extent of making abusive personal insults and calling childish names - those we may not agree with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 11 Dec 06 - 05:35 PM There is a thread devoted to Frazetta's art |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Cluin Date: 11 Dec 06 - 05:40 PM He's kickin' ass and takin' names now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: catspaw49 Date: 11 Dec 06 - 06:28 PM Shamby-Pamby.....You can add the other stuff or not but YOU HAVE YET TO ANSWER ME. Below is THE TRUTH which you say you value. Max asked you to leave. You didn't. Why not? I mean, go back and read the whole thing and it still makes no difference. Max said go...you say no. You are not interested in doing anything here but carrying out your vendetta against Joe and moreover, against Max. You are a liar of the first order. You say you value the truth yet you don't. Once again, here is the truth: Shambles says:MMario - you may not like what the truth is - but it is as well to accept it as being the truth - rather than to try and keep up the pretence that it is something else. Well Shammy HERE IS THE TRUTH
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 11 Dec 06 - 06:31 PM Shambles, What difference does it make if Max asked for comments to be sent directly to him or not? Isn't it obvious that no one else here supports your position? Why not act like a grown up and just PM Max? That way you can finally know for certain that he received your message and that he will provide you with a comment. It's better then just pissing in the wind. Spare us all and send the boss a PM today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 12 Dec 06 - 04:56 AM After the following posts that you are now seen to be encouraged by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team to post to our forum - the sort of posting for which other posters would and have been seen to be banned for posting - any answer I may give to you - would not be one I would care to inflict on our forum. In the same way that spam posts are not seen to be deleted by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team but used to further his personally motivated disputes against individual posters and actually posted on threads by the Current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. Such conduct only perfectly demonstrates the unfair treatment, double standards and hypocrisy on the part of some of our 'moderators', that our forum is expected to support and which I wish our forum to be able to be seen to be free to discuss. The truth is that unlike a few other posters who are seen to be favoured by the current chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - my posting is placed under special restrictions. Only because I wish our forum to be informed of the true nature and current level of 'silent deletion' and all other form of imposed censorship and be able to discuss what is undertaken in their name is proportionate - from an informed postion. Not the pretence that so-called 'moderation' our forum is something other than what it plainly is. By all means support this unfairness, bullying and the public witch-hunts - if you feel you must be seen to - but please not keep up the pretence that this is in any way open, or fair or anything other than counter-productive in the long run. Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. From: catspaw49 - PM Date: 25 Aug 06 - 12:53 PM Sorry Giok, you can't do that. It is quite simply too much. What I mean is that with his head so far up his ass he has to take his hat off to shit, there is no room for anything else! Spaw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. From: catspaw49 - PM Date: 26 Aug 06 - 05:33 AM Dig it Shambolina....We all know that YOU can prolong the life of a thread all by yourself.......and you do. Several times this thread has gone dormant for almost 24 hours, especially lately, and you refresh it with bullshit. Max asked you to leave. Get the fuck out. Spaw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. From: catspaw49 - PM Date: 25 Sep 06 - 11:20 PM Aw Mick, that ain't right. Lemmee help you out here. Shambolina you say that you need an explanation "provided to indicate where, why and when such action has been judged necessary?" Okay Rog.....Here's one you can always refer to should someone zap a post. One of your flakey posts on some thread or another was zapped the other day because it was another of your sillyass and repetitious rants built around misquotes and out of context, copy and paste, bullshit. If it had any redeeming value it was moved to this thread, otherwise it is gone into the ether and only it's smell remains. That ought to cover all of your problems......except for the fact that you haven't left after Max asked you to go. Have a nice day Twiddles. Spaw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. From: catspaw49 - PM Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:28 AM LMAO.......Well there ya' go! You really are a mental case Shambolina! Here's one guy who really tries to work it through and see your points and stand up for you with some solid reasoning............So you aggressively go out of your way to piss HIM off?!?!?!?! I have a bad case of the giggles and it's hard to type..........The irony and your inability to perceive anything.............geeziz LOLOL ................you're really mental........LOLOL Spaw ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. From: catspaw49 - PM Date: 29 Oct 06 - 07:45 AM There ya' go Ebbie. You have received right from the horse's ass a Shambolina Classic. Syntax and logic both are garbled and beyond recognition. The last "policy" Max had towards postings by the Piss&MoanMeister was a request he leave. Got a mirror Roger? I mean do you have one your wife will allow you to use without fear of breakage? If so, please look into it and say, "Geeziz, I am really an asshole." Repeat this one hundred times and then perhaps you will be able to read what Max has actually said and see that you are not his defender but his antagonist and your ass is about to get the boot as outlined for you previously. Do yourself a huge favor Roger and go back to your poems and songs and drop the vendetta. Just a suggestion mind you, but it's a good one. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Dec 06 - 06:15 AM Sounds real serious to me Shamby!!! You better complain directly to Max! Tell him all about it and your persecution. Remember that first you will have to explain why you have been on this vendetta against him and his site. You might also want to note why you have done nothing he asked of you. But go for it soon......Our poor widdle persecuted Shamby-Pamby.(:<)) Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:17 AM Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts. From: The Shambles - PM Date: 08 Dec 06 - 02:04 PM Well, I used to give you equal treatment, Shambles - but you kept badgering me about that being repressive censorship. So, you got what you asked for. Catspaw can say what he likes about you, until such time as you stop your incessant campaign against the way we do things here. You are not a nice person, Shambles. Do not expect to be treated nicely. -Joe- Most posters are sensible enough to recognise just where any 'vendetta' is being waged and where it is not - I am sure that Max is perfectly aware also. But posters who should know better and certain 'moderators' seem intent on testing and pushing their personal realtionships with Max to the the very limit in public and in the process compromising our forum and Max into being seen to support these public witch-hunts and others. As this long-running witch-hunt has not the desired effect and is only succeeding making the particpants, our forum and its owner look silly - perhaps it is really time for it to be seen to stop? If as much energy were devoted to addressing the problems being highlighted as is seen to be given in placing restrictions on and insulting those who simply try to raise and discuss them - I am sure our forum would be a better place and be enternally grateful. Then perhaps this needless division can end and the word 'we' when used by the current Chief of the Mudact Editing Team will once again apply to all of our forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Wolfgang Date: 12 Dec 06 - 11:53 AM there is little persoanal emnity towards any 'moderator' on my part (Shambles) Typo or creative neologism? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Dec 06 - 01:05 PM Poor Shamby......You realize that you are persecuting yourself don't you Shamby? If you had done as you were asked and left, or at least ceased and desisted, none of this would be happening. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Bill D Date: 12 Dec 06 - 02:01 PM since copy & paste is the order of the day: my pride & joy.... "But Shambles...don't you realize that posting reasoned responses to your recapitulative exhortations requires us not only to consider the contextual parameters of the indicated isssue, but also to analyze the temporal framework of the argument so as not to introduce irrelevant personal judgements which have already been judged by the majority of the respondents to not focus on the current situational aspects of all the NON-judgemental impositions which may have been earlier, or at least in different threads, already rendered valueless in the minds of those whose concerns regress to the former devalued impositions of judgement by not only anonymous volunteers, but also, rightfully, by other members (who, posting under their own names, might also BE one of the judgemental volunteers) who decide not to enter the debate without knowing whether the subject at hand has, in fact, been imposed, whether in the thread title or merely during non-judgemental editing which I am led to understand that you also disapprove of in most cases where previous permission has not been sought(from the original poster (or originator of the thread) prior to the perviously mentioned discussion, which, by virtue of its temporal priority, ought to supercede ANY subsequent discussion of judgements, whether anonymously imposed or merely parenthetically referred to , either by you, as 'chief inquisitor' of the investigation, or by newer members of the forum, many of whom have not had the experience of BEING improperly edited or their words censored, and thus who might, perhaps, be reluctant to join the majority whose previous experience has been inevitably affected by repetitious reduncancy relating to the incessant verbosity inundating the very foundations of the entire issues of whether, in consideration of the best interests of our forum, the anonymity of the volunteers (most of whom did not actually volunteer, but were, I am given to understand, recruited,)should be compromised due to the unmitigated Gall of one dissatisfied member who evidently has little other hobbies than to compose interminable and self-referential posts which intrinsically relate to one individual concept of discussion and the overriding value system thought to be, by our moderators, not essential to the more central core of the entire point of having an open forum where dissimilar viewpoints could BE discussed without being left vulnerable to extraneous digressions about imposition of personal taste by those who have no interest in the inveterate balderdash which usually accompanies such digressions and causes many entirely incomprehensible paragraphs to be perpetrated on an umwilling readership anyway? Wouldn't you agree?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: MMario Date: 12 Dec 06 - 02:06 PM Shambles - you ask if I don't feel there is a double standard. Show me even one other poster who has copnsistantly, for over six years, criticized the administration of this site. If you can find one - that would be your peer to whom we would have to compare treatment. but there is no other like you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 12 Dec 06 - 03:05 PM On any other site someone who has criticized the administration even 3 or 4 times would be banned from posting. The fact that Shambles has been allowed to stay here for such a long time and is even give a special thread to make any negative criticisms that he wants says something about the leniency of the owner and the moderators. If he is so ungrateful, then perhaps he souldn't be given even this one thread to bitch in. Just delete any neative thread that he posts and keep ones that fit in with the general tendencies of Mudcat...or kick his butt out of here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 12 Dec 06 - 03:49 PM If you can find one - that would be your peer to whom we would have to compare treatment. but there is no other like you. Yes MMario - That is really the point. There is no one who has recieved the kind of treatment from our 'moderators' that can compare with the special treatment that our forum has had to watch being imposed and attempted to be justified on my postings. Certainly no one who has supported our forum for so long. And why is this? Have I posted abusively and called my fellow posters childish names or been seen to respond in kind to the many I am subjected to and not protected from? All posters will probaly know I have been publicly judged not to be a nice person - by the current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team. Some poster may wonder exactly what terrible things I have done to deserve this. And why no evidence of these terrible things are provided? My 'crime' is to try and demonstrate the reality of what 'moderation' on our forum has come to be. To enable our forum to discuss if all this is proportionate - and from an informed position - when certain others seem to think that they have some right to prevent this. They also seriously seem to think there will not be a reaction to this. That is not to say that others posters have not suffered from this unfair treatment (and certain favoured posters benefitted from it) - but my intention is to try and ensure that all posters should have the right to see their words remain as posted (except in the most extreme cases). You may not agree with my views - but perhaps it can finally be accepted that all posters (even me) have the right to express their views - without their worth being seen to judged, without being called names , without being seen to be generally abused and without 'moderators' abusing their privileged positions and their powers in personally motivated witch-hunts? What is the point of our 'moderators' making assurances if they are seen not to be honoured? Why pretend that 'moderation' on our forum is something all posters can clearly see that it is not? Is it really too much for posters to expect that any assurances given to our form by our 'moderators' to always be seen to be honoured and to expect that all posters are seen to receive fair and equal treatment? For if it really is too much - the result is that no 'moderator' will ever have any credibility when dealing with anyone who demonstrates this reality - rather than the pretence. This pretence compromises us all. With the encouragement seen in this thread to be given by the current Chief of the Mudact Editing Team for certain favoured posters to contribute only name-calling, offensive language and abusive posts - how can any other offender be censured for the same offence? And what of those posters who are currently banned for exactly this? If you do not find this subject or this thread interesting - then please leave it to those who are prepared to tip-toe through the posted spam, assorted recipes and the childish insults that are encouraged to be posted here - to try and sensibly discuss it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Dec 06 - 04:34 PM Hey Shamby-Pamby.....Go twiddle yourself for awhile (much as you always do).....This post isn't about your dumb ass. HEY THERE BILL D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 12 Dec 06 - 04:48 PM Shambles, You really don't get it. No one is arguing with your right to post your views. The problem is that you post the same thing again and again and again. Say it once and then stop. You are not accomplishing anything by being repititious for 6 year. You keep going on and on even when you have been told that this is the way it is. You wil never ever get what you are asking for. It is just too idealistic to consider. Post what you believe in but listen to what the majority wants. No one, even Max, will make changes to suit one person when everyone else is happy with the way things are here. Of cours, if you don't like it you can always leave. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Lox Date: 12 Dec 06 - 05:32 PM Shambles, I've written 2 posts that were specifically directed at you which comment on the potential emotional and psychological ramifications of carrying on with this madness. The first time you disappeared from my screen for a while, this time you appear to have ignored me. This suggests to me that you are dissociating from the possiblity that you are posting compulsively. I won't bother you again, I hope you see sense and start looking after yourself a bit better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Lox Date: 12 Dec 06 - 05:43 PM I didn't realize it was 6 years ... Come on mate ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 12 Dec 06 - 05:44 PM For six years certain people have be trying to prevent me from posting my views - and as long as this attempt continues and and all the various methods encouraged by our 'moderators' are judged acceptable - I will carry on trying to discuss what others obviously think they have some right to prevent. No one is being forced to read anything I post - are they? For this is part of the pretence - if it were just that my posts were repetitous, boring or any of the pointless other judgements posted about what other posters choose to post - the best way to deal with this - would be for posters to simply ignore my posts - wouldn't it. So why cannot this be the case? Why is every other method but this being atempted? For this is the distraction and the pretence. For it must be obvious that despite all the indignant squawking when guest posters indulge in such things - posting abuse and indulging in online group bullying is exactly what the few noisy posters who are seen and encouraged to do this and would consider themselves to be nice - actually enjoy indulging in. That is the reality of what our forum is being asked to support. It is not what I would judge to be nice nor have much to do with Max's expressed hopes for our forum. If I am judged to be too idealistic - it should be recognised that these ideals and hopes for our forum - are Max's........ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Cluin Date: 12 Dec 06 - 05:47 PM They've been trying to prevent you? Jeezus, what would it be like if they gave you free rein? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: John MacKenzie Date: 12 Dec 06 - 05:47 PM You really fancy yourself as the guiding spirit of Mudcat don't you Roger? You're more like Dobby to Max's Harry Potter, and you're patiently waiting for your sock. Well you may get one yet! Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Lox Date: 12 Dec 06 - 05:49 PM If you live till you're 60 (and you might be lucky judging by the stress this is clearly causing) that constitutes one tenth of your life. Forget "the point" - do you see the point? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: catspaw49 Date: 12 Dec 06 - 05:59 PM Kinda' brings masochism to a new level huh? No one has stopped this fool from posting. As a matter of fact, check out all the PEL threads that Max allowed. Way too many and far too confusing because Roger had to post everything and every passing thought at least 3 times. BUT....With only a little combining by Joe (which Roger bitched at and raised holy hell about) Roger got in everything and if he ever said "Thanks" to Max, I missed it. Roger thinks every utterance of his is precious. If he acts this way in the 3D world, can you imagine what his family and friends go through? Yeah.....Do y'all get it now? He's a mental case. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Bill D Date: 12 Dec 06 - 06:04 PM I hope I don't hafta attend no 'rubber chicken' dinner to get that award, 'spaw. I don't need no award, anyway. I just thought I'd make a point....which was, approximately, that since direct discussion in reasoned tones **MAKES NO DISCERNABLE DIFFERENCE**, I might as well show off one of the few skills I have...*grin*..(Oh, I have a skill at that reasoning stuff too,....I tried that for a couple years, but any time I thought I had him in a corner, he just changed the subject a bit and either ignored me or repeated some stock phrase about "favored posters" or "imposed judgements" or "encouragement by the current Chief..etc." He simply does nor SEE that his continued rehashing of these issues only "encourages" even more 'mockery' and insults. The salient point (more big words...sneaky, huh?) is that the moderators are acting FOR Max, under the direction of Jeff & Joe, and that IF Max wanted something changed or no anonymous mods, he'd have it. I cannot imagine why anyone would think that years of useless carping would make management more likely to listen...but then, I don't think that is even the goal anymore. Somewhere I once posted about people who, when they perceive any situation they consider 'unfair' or 'biased', rise up in **righteous indignation** and write letters and march in protest until they either 'win' or are prevented from certain aspects of their protest. Shambles has now managed to to get the protest part of his posts limited in a couple ways..(though he continues to 'make a point' in other, borderline, posts.) I dunno what to say, so I said all that convoluted bit, knowing it merely served as passing entertainment. It's all a shame, 'cause Roger HAS talents, interests and abilities that could make him a valued member...(and in threads where he has SIMPLY comments on other subjects, he is usually answered normally...even by folks who get on his case in THIS thread!) I have not posted in this much recently, and I guess I'll follow Roger's advice and not open it much....he asks for 'discussion', but it's gone way beyond any hope for expecting discussion to achieve and compromise..... so.....thanks for the award. I was amazed myself when I re-read it, as I literally just went 'stream of consciousness' using phrases that seemed to fit. Kinda makes one |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Gervase Date: 12 Dec 06 - 06:11 PM Bloody Nora! Six years? Six f***ing years?!?! How many tens of thousands of words have been written in posts like this to whinge, whine and bellyache about perceived censorship in that period? Just think of what James Joyce accomplished in six years - he gave us Ulysses. The Shambles gives us a general feeling of ennui, deja vu and other Dastardly French Things. Anyway, enough of this tomfoolery - I'll be back in 2012 to see how things are getting on. Carry on chaps! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 12 Dec 06 - 08:00 PM Now I find it interesting when posters seem to find something strange in trying to post one's honest views for 6 years but seem to find little to comment on all the various attempts in that period to try to prevent it. Would it not be more sensible for posters to simply ignore threads that are so obviously not to their taste? Why does it bother these few noisy posters as much as it obviously does? We have a poster with 'potty mouth' who seems to have reverted to the schoolyard - but this passes without comment and no assessment of this poster having any possible mental condition. Why is that? How many tens of thousands of words have been written in posts like this to whinge, whine and bellyache about what other posters choose to post? As all of these words and judgements are plainly seen to have had no effect (and they will not) - perhaps it is time for this sillyness and the example set by it - to stop? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Cluin Date: 12 Dec 06 - 08:07 PM It's all grist for his mill, grinding exceedingly fine. Ya gotta admire that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Bill D Date: 12 Dec 06 - 09:41 PM "Would it not be more sensible for posters to simply ignore threads that are so obviously not to their taste?" No...it would not. Except for the past couple of months when editing & restrictions have been used to limit it to (mostly) this thread, it was likely to discover many, many other threads diverted and hijacked by your attempts to insert your Quixotic crusade! Even today, the occasional newcomer ventures in and become curious why ONE poster has spent this amount of time complaining about the rules, management and supposed 'unfairness' of both. Just as Spam is distracting, porn is distracting, and extreme political arguments are distracting, so also incessant complaining is distracting.....and when, several times in the past, EVERYONE avoided arguing, avoided name-calling, avoided explaining and generally avoided responding at all...YOU kept posting, slipping remarks into various threads, working hard to RE-incite the 'debate'. That did not go unnoticed, and what you got was what you knew you'd get...more of the same...thus, I suppose, proving your ambiguous point! You now have several levels of complaints....those about editing in general, those about who DOES the editing, those about the responses TO your other complaints which you feel are 'personal', and those about the supposed 'favoritism' given to those who DO respond. Pretty soon, it all feeds back on itself, and you have a self-reinforcing hypothesis where anything you do gets responses that you can then claim are in one of the categories. "Righteous Indignation" gone berserk! And NOWHERE do you show any signs of understanding that incessant criticism of the way things are done IS the cause of most of the crap you are dealt. Even if you, personally, never "stoop to name calling", you cast serious aspersions on several members and moderators and question their judgment, fairness and reason. That WILL get remarks! 99% of all this could stop almost instantly if YOU, Roger, would just shrug, quit complaining, and allow the forum to be managed the way it is intended, without copy & paste of old, off-the-cuff, ambiguous remarks by Max which you twist to suggest that Joe & the mods are NOT doing things like Max wishes! This whole thread has become a diversion in itself, like standing on a bridge and watching rush hour traffic and wondering why it is so tedious! You have become a fetish form of entertainment instead of your notion of a 'voice of reason'. It won't work...it CAN'T work... but you have your soul invested in pretending that it 'might' work, if only **everyone** would come round and follow your 27 part plan. .............yeah, I did say I was gonna quit this didn't I? Who knows, maybe I really will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Cluin Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:38 PM Isn't it a bite, Bill D, when you notice after you've submitted a concise but hard hitting post, that there's a dumb typo in there, like forgetting close off an HTML tag like underline? I hate that, myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 13 Dec 06 - 02:24 AM How can the same few noisy poster who post to complain that another posters is repeating themselves actually know this? They can only do this if they insist on opening and studying the very threads they claim to be worthless and which irritate them so. Why would they keep on doing this - rather than simply ignore threads on subjects that irritate them? And if the very worst that could be said about my posting is that it may be considered irritating - that is not the case for the many others that are now encoraged to be posted on our forum which are intentional insulting and offensive (and pointless). Theses are posted in clearly titled threads by certain favoured posters, in an attempt to prevent my posting. Is it really thought that after all this time of being subjected to just about every personal judgement of my worth, every concievable insult, being called every name under the sun and diagnosed of all possible metal conditions - that I am bothered by such things. I am only bothered to the extent that such posts are posted by and encouraged to be posted by those who have editing buttons in order (so our forum is assured) to protect us from such things. And that our forum is encouraged to be littered with such things. But the fact that such thngs are seen to be permitted and openly encouraged by our 'moderators' - really only proves that the double standards - that I am subjected to all this - for trying to demonstrate to our forum and to eable our forum to discuss - are very much a fact. Perhaps posters to this thread would care to address this fact - or just ignore the thread? The really sad thing about encouraging public witch-hunts against certain individual named posters is that this then becomes the distraction and like all 'mobs' once unleashed - will be seen to become out of control. When it is generally accepted that posters have a right to express their view (yes even again and again) - and no one else is being forced to read or respond to it - what else is there to say? In the thousands of words posted here that try to justify these attempts - quite a lot. But should any notice be taken of such words? It is my view that any 'moderation' should be seen to be enabling this right - and not seen to be eroding this right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 13 Dec 06 - 02:52 AM I seem to have led sheltered existence as I'd not heard of Dejah Thoris. I found a bit about her at Wikipedia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: John MacKenzie Date: 13 Dec 06 - 04:10 AM All alone and sockless :o( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 13 Dec 06 - 04:58 AM We get used to hearing the same news - at different times of the day. The more sensible of us would not strain to catch every bullitin - just in order to write in and express their iritation at this repetition. For it would be generally accepted that this is done to enable anyone not hearing the news earlier to be informed when they can listen. Anyone hearing it before or not being interested in hearing - can simply switch-off. The same goes for the content. A newsreader may have been reported the same war for 6 years. The more sensible of us would not write to express our irritation at the newsreader as they would only be able to report what is happening. Rather than writing to express one's irritation and blame the newsreader - -it might be more useful to address any irritations about having to listen to such reports - to those who could take action to stop those wars. Then the newsreader would not have to report the same old wars and no one would need to write and express their irritation at the newsreader for doing this. Six years ago I demonstrated to our forum that despite assurances given publicly by the current chief of the Mudcat Editing Team - entire threads were being deleted by anonymous fellow posters - when these threads did not meet the required criteria. Now given the the general unacceptble nature of such abuses - you would have thought that in that long period this issue would have been addressed and corrected. Not on our forum. The original thread on this subject will demonstrate that exactly the same abuse is sadly, still occuring and most probably being undertaken by the same individual(s). All the action that is seen to be taken place as a result of this clear abuse being highlighted and demonstated to our forum - are posting restrictions and abusive posting being encouraged against the individual poster who wishes this to be freely discussed and addressed on our forum - like any other subject. Perhaps it can be accepted that all that can be reported is what is continuing to happen on our forum - when their is some new news - this can be reported. Until these and other abuses are seen to no longer happen - is perhaps more positive to establish why such abuses are still happening on our forum - rather than writing only to express one's irritation at this same old abuse having to be reported on our forum? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Gervase Date: 13 Dec 06 - 05:35 AM I opened this thread out of interest (!) to see if anything had changed. I opened it in descending order (clicking on the little 'd' next to the number of posts) and read at most two pages of text. If anyone thinks I have the slightest interest in reading what must surely be themost tedious and repetitious screed since the Jones and Evans pages of the Cardiff phone book they've got another thing coming. From my curosry dip, it was pretty clear that the debate hadn't moved on an inch since it began, and that in essence it was the same person making the same complaint about the earth being flat, meat being murder and the end being nigh. And, in six years' time, should fate allow, I'm sure I'll be able to click on to the latest version of this thread and see that nothing has changed.... Now, back to sleep everyone - and keep posting Roger; we expect nothing less! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 13 Dec 06 - 06:23 AM These threads would die if those who are so critical of them didn't post. Yes the same old same old merry band are eagerly posting away to berate shambles for posting. Irony doesn't travel, as can be seen by 99% of posters being non English. But it obviously fulfills some kind of need for them. Funny really. |
