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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:10 PM CarolC, if you knew skarpi - "the person who started this thread," as you quaintly call him - you would know that he doesn't need you to protect him or interpret his words! It seems that Brown's comments about Iceland must have been more prominently reported in the US than in the UK, where iceland has been far from the top of the agenda. The Iceland dimension certainly does not have the legs to constitute any kind of distraction from "Brown's bluster." And Brown's bluster turns out to have shown the US and most of Europe a way forward out of the mess. Neither Brown nor most other politicians should be taking much of the blame this time. The real problem is a failure of capitalism, or at the very least a failure of free markets. But if there was one unequivocal political error it was Hank Paulson's colossal blunder in allowing Lehman Brothers to go under. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 14 Oct 08 - 08:19 PM I have met him. I don't know him well, but the time I spent in his company is the reason I felt the need to provide verbal support here in this thread. He is a kind and gentle soul who hasn't got a mean bone in his body, and he deserves to be cut some slack under the circumstances. I have to refer to him quaintly because I am not allowed to directly address anyone here in the Mudcat. In fact, I am skating the edge even just by saying "he" to refer to another poster, since I am not allowed to directly reference other posters either. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Thompson Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:14 AM This whole thread is a classic example of how nationalism is used to turn working people against each other, taking their attention off the profit grabs of greedy currency dealers. One of the links provided further up is to a New York Times blog suggesting that the small Icelandic economy is being targeted by (named) dealers, trying to make it crash so they can scoop up the profit. It also suggests that this tactic was used in earlier economic crises, such as the Hong Kong financial crisis of 1917-8 and a similar attempt at the same time on the Australian dollar. British people turning on Icelanders is like the dogs with cans tied to their tails turning on each other, while their tormentors laugh from the sidelines. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:18 AM My God, the Taleban have taken over Mudcat now. Sorry CarolC, I had no idea such lunacies were in operation. So I suppose when you say "He is a kind and gentle soul," that is code for "Skarpi is one mean bastard!" (Which is the real truth of course. Just try getting that bottle of brennivín out of his hands....) Just a grammatical detail, but a third-party reference is not the same as addressing someone directly. Maybe you are allowed that much, on a legalistic interpretation of the Contraining Order? |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:21 AM None of it makes any sense to me, and I don't try to make any sense of it. It's pretty crazy from my perspective. I just try to stay out of trouble as best I can. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 15 Oct 08 - 08:14 AM Maybe our sympathy should be going to you then, CarolC :) LOL (or we'd all cry!). |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 15 Oct 08 - 09:00 AM Perhaps it will help when they know that Britain is lending Iceland $225 000 000? |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 15 Oct 08 - 09:17 AM Iceland's central bank cut official interest rates by 3.5 percentage points today. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 08 - 09:22 AM Not to add fuel to the flames here, but just to attempt to clarify the feelings in Iceland vis-a-vis Britain, I attach this XG |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 15 Oct 08 - 09:32 AM We were trying to move on from all of that and look at the positive moves that are now happening. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 08 - 09:56 AM I know, but some people resented it when they were told what was being said, and even tried to blame it on Skarpi. I am just showing that he wasn't the originator of the terms he used in his posts. XG |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 15 Oct 08 - 10:07 AM That point was made and acknowledged a couple of days ago. We really need some positive input to this thread now. Keep going on about it does not help Skarpi's cause. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM Sorry, but I disagree regarding the clarification, otherwise I would NOT have posted the link. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 15 Oct 08 - 10:15 AM The loans offered to Iceland (not just from Britain) and the interest rate cuts hopefully will improve the situation there. Let's hope that as time goes by we hear some encouraging news of improvement for everybody. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 15 Oct 08 - 10:16 AM I am quite happy to disagree with you. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: John MacKenzie Date: 15 Oct 08 - 10:23 AM Oh good ;) |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: heric Date: 15 Oct 08 - 12:27 PM That's a good line! I hereby appropriate it for my use alone in the US. Do not attempt to take it back to the UK. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: skarpi Date: 15 Oct 08 - 03:42 PM hallo all , I ask you all to let go of this , from now the politcs will handle this not we , what ever we say or do will not help or sole anything . today this happen : Icelandic covement ( not me ) complaned to NATO headoffice about British coverment behavior . Icelandic Coverment are/have hired lawyers to go agains the British Coverment ( not me ) becouse they took down (Kaupþing Bank witch was in good health he was the only bank who would have lived through this crisis they say( not me ) And Russia : they are asking about millitery base in Iceland at least they want to talk about that , instead for a loan , great balls of fire . Nato should be happy about that I am not . again I ask you all to let go .I will not write more message in this thread , for me it have ended . All the best Skarpi Iceland . |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Rasener Date: 15 Oct 08 - 04:02 PM I would be very worried if Russia got its missiles in Iceland, both for you and us |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Thompson Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:20 PM The enemy here isn't the people of Iceland. They didn't get either the British or themselves (or the rest of Europe, or the rest of the world) into this. The people to look coldly at are the banks, for their reckless behaviour, and the currency dealers, for their... I don't have any languge to express it. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 15 Oct 08 - 05:42 PM I would describe that kind of predatory behavior against economies as a kind of organized crime, myself. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Sorcha Date: 15 Oct 08 - 06:18 PM I think it is too, Carol. But banks will be Banks. They ARE in the business of 'making money', not Being Our Friends. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:12 AM Carol, Sorcha - it's not predatory behaviour or organised crime, it's Business, B-I-Z-N-E-S-S, fuelled by the GREED OF PEOPLE (sorry, not shouting, just don't know much about html so can't italicise). Not just the fat-cats at the top with their multi-million-dollar bonuses, but all the way down to you and me (and maybe even further down). It's what Capitalism and Conservatism rely on - the desire to own things, pile up cash, have a big house, go on expensive holidays, look 'better' than our neighbour, etc., etc.. And it will never change because, at the bottom of them, most people are greedy and want more and more for less and less. It's a version of pyramid-selling at its worst that's done the damage, and our Global-Get-Rich-Quick society went for it all the way. And any national leader worth his salt should, and will, take steps to protect his citizens, even though it may disadvantage the citizens of other countries temporarily. Brown was perfectly entitled to take steps to protect British interests, and the Icelandic Premier is right to fight back. Time will determine the outcome, one way or the other. Charity begins at home. All of the above IMHO, as always. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:48 AM Geez, all this time I had a pile of cash, a big house, expensive holidays, and I've been looking better than my neighbor and I didn't even know it? That just sucks! italics = < plus i plus > plus (the text) plus < plus / plus i plus > |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:00 AM Why thank you Carol! |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:02 AM And thank you Eanjay - got your PMs. Roger on that! |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:24 AM Now we want to see some bold and some scrolling :) |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:28 AM Don't push it, pal! |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:29 AM Oops! Forgot to smile! :-) |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:30 AM LOL :-) |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:46 AM |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:51 AM Wow! |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 16 Oct 08 - 08:57 AM Anyone who wants to know how to do that can do what I did... steal it. (Using the view page source function.) ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 16 Oct 08 - 09:06 AM Thanks Carol, I didn't even know it existed! |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 08 - 12:05 PM Show-off Alert! Show-off Alert! LOL! Learning to italicise and embolden is quite sufficient for one day, for a Grumpy Old Man like me! |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 16 Oct 08 - 12:10 PM ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: SINSULL Date: 16 Oct 08 - 12:11 PM If Joe Offer sees that he will slap your wrist. Doesn't that stuff slow down the forum? |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Backwoodsman Date: 16 Oct 08 - 12:12 PM I'm already so slow I'm virtually in reverse! :-) |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 16 Oct 08 - 12:15 PM Is that another one of those rules they don't tell you about until after you've broken it? |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Rasener Date: 16 Oct 08 - 03:58 PM Ah well can't let Carol take all the glory :-)
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: SINSULL Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:03 PM No. It's in the FAQs. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:13 PM No it doesn't. I just now checked the FAQ, and it suggests that people ought to try using the marquee HTML, which is what I put in my bouncy post. It does not say anywhere that people are not supposed to use it. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: SINSULL Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:15 PM Sorry - I was thinking of something else to do with praphics and photos. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 16 Oct 08 - 04:17 PM No hot linking probably. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Rasener Date: 16 Oct 08 - 05:28 PM >>It does not say anywhere that people are not supposed to use it<< Thats good then :-) |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Rasener Date: 16 Oct 08 - 05:41 PM |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: CarolC Date: 16 Oct 08 - 05:52 PM LOL |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Oct 08 - 03:17 AM Villa for The Cup indeed! Not in our lifetime, methinks! :-) :-) Please stop all the colour stuff, my feelings of ineptitude and insecurity are creeping back. :-) |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: John MacKenzie Date: 17 Oct 08 - 05:12 AM There is an HTML practice thread guys. |
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Subject: RE: Mr. Brown declares war on Iceland From: Richard Bridge Date: 17 Oct 08 - 07:13 AM 200 (nothing else useful to say at this stage on this thread in this state of affairs) |
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