BS: Are facts shite?

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 08:19 PM

Well, I thought it might be fun to stir ol' Martin G up slowly and see how he likes it, but I see I don't like it, or like myself when I act that way, so strike the last two posts, please

clint

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 08:39 PM

Christ, this is better than Trailer Park Boys! :-) What controversy! What bile! What sarcasm! Martin has gotta be in 7th heaven. You guys have no idea what you're doing for him. My best fights with Martin are usually over the relative merits of Bob Dylan, but this is a much more wide-ranging slagfest than that.

Damn shame this show doesn't air live on radio....

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Once Famous
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 09:58 PM

Right on, Little Hawk. These clowns who call me unhappy couldn't be further from the truth. This is a riot. It's like a playground. The fact is that I am so fucking responsible as an adult that it is just too cool to act out this Martin Gibson role.

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: GUEST,IMHO
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 10:47 PM

Holy fuck. I read the last thirty posts and thought I was on the WMD thread. Have a NICE day everyone. Please write.

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 10:56 PM

Martin that's scary. Are you saying when you were a kid on the playground you enjoyed taking a beating like this? I gotta tell ya buddy, knowning you are a masochist takes the fun out of it.

LOL
LOL
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Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 10:03 AM

Jack, the more you laugh, the more you drool. Kind of a maniacal laugh that I am sure can be heard in the next two trailers.

No, that's not what I am saying, Jack. I am saying though, that you don't know Jack.

As a kid, there never was any beatings. Still aren't. This is like being whipped with a feather. there's no teeth. You should know about that. the support that I get on the PM side is very gratifying.

Isn't it about time for you to take out the hot plate and cook lunch?

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 12:21 PM

You know, Martin, you're a lot like Chongo. You'd be surprised. He is a chimp, of course, so you're genetically different and all that, but he has the same sort of teflon ability to dish it out and take out with perfect aplomb....like water off a duck's back. Maybe it has something to do with growing up in Chicago. Tough town, I hear. What's the west side like?

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 12:35 PM

I was born on the West Side and so were the two generations before me.

Up until the mid '50s, the West Side of Chicago as the second largest concentration of Jews in the U.S. However, it was also very diverse, but white diverse, Germans, Polish, italians, etc. In the mid '50s, what was known as the "color line" crept closer and encroached ever so uncomfortably for most. There was a white plight to the suburbs, where WWII vets exercised their GI loan rights and bought homes in pursuit of a better life for their families. They were for the most part, entirely succesful.

Over the next decade or so, the West Side continued to decay, and a good chunk of it was burned out during the race riots following the April 1968 assasination of Martin Luther King. For the next 30+ years, it became very notorious as a ghetto and for crime.

But the fabulous grey stones and boulevard parks are winning out albeit by gentrification. The west side is making a comeback due to it's always great proximaty to the downtown Loop. People though are being displaced as the yuppification process evolves. Oh well. Too bad. My family was displaced also. That's life in the big city. Thanks for asking Little Hawk.

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 12:58 PM

i like 'white plight'.

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 01:41 PM

There was a similar "white flight" from the eastern suburbs of Toronto, following the 1970's, as mostly Asian and some Caribbean immigrants moved into Scarboro (a very extended suburban area) and the middle-class whites who had originally formed those suburbs moved north to smaller centers, most notably to the city of Barrie, Ontario. Barrie has experienced the most rapid growth of any urban center in Canada in the past few decades. In '85 it had about 50,000 people. Now I believe it's over 125,000 and still growing.

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 01:58 PM

Where did the Black WWII vets go to exercise their GI loan rights and buy homes in pursuit of a better life for their families?

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 02:13 PM

CarolC. some went to south suburban towns like Harvey and Robbins, and the Hyde Park and Jeffery Manor areas of the south side. Everyone had the opportunity. Everyone who was a WWII vet qualified for a GI loan.

Now take your underlying agenda and buzz off.

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 02:15 PM

Which agendas would those be then, Martin?

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 02:31 PM

It is a fact that a lot of people are scared of people who look different or come from a different culture or who are poorer, economically speaking. This applies to both blacks and whites, not to mention all the other varieties and shades. Scarboro was 99.9% fairly affluent white middle-class in the 60's. It is now more predominantly Asian and black, I'd say, but still a fair number whites. It's also a lot dirtier and there's a lot more crime, but that is a result of declining incomes, not any kind of inherent racial tendencies on anyone's parts. Where there is more poverty, there is also more crime...street crime, that is.

A look at the notorious Five Points district in 1850's New York City would provide a spectacular example of the phenomenon. In that case you had a mostly white population living in the most awful slum conditions imaginable, and crime and suffering of every kind was rampant. Murder was an everyday ocurrence. The Irish were the most recent immigrants, the most economically disadvantaged ones, and the ones who got the most blame for the situation by other people who were better off or had been around there longer.

This kind of thing just goes around and around again and again. Every social era has its chosen "untouchables", and at that point it was the Irish. In the 70's and 80's the most stigmatized people in Toronto were East Asian immigrants from India and Pakistan. There was all kinds of bad talk about them among the more ignorant sectors of the white population.

The Five Points slums were depicted in the recent film "Gangs of New York".

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 04:57 PM

You brought it up CarolC. Why don't you frantically search the web, believe everything you read, post 8 or 10 links on the subject, and then watch very few care, as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 05:07 PM

Brought what up, Martin? What are you talking about?

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: Once Famous
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 06:02 PM

Pay attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Are facts shite?
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 07:05 PM

The "facts " that formed America and UKs basis for war have been shown to be "shite" by the Senate Intelligence Committee today.
The White House is now trying to shift blame for the attack on Iraq,
the slaughter of a large number of American and british troops,thousands of Iraqi men women and children,the complete loss of credibility by America in World affairs,the comfirmation in Moslem minds throughout the world that Americans are warmongering beasts, on to the security services.
The blame for these horrors lies with the apologists ,in America, in the UK and here on Mudcat,

As long as there are people prepared to defend the "Shite" who rule us, we must expect to be treated like "shite" by those rulers.

Dont think by voting Democrat in the election, you can salve your conciences,...Remember how the Democrats pathetically slunk in behind the Government ,when the "chips were down".

The most sickening thing ,is that these apologists hide behind the banner of Christianity,in a sad attempt to cover their inhumanity.

The only people who can hold their heads high in this debacle, are those who took to the streets in their millions. They knew it was all "shite" and said so....Ake