BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 01:44 PM

DougR, the logic escapes me. You suggest- TIC, I hope- that Canada post troops along the US/Canada border to keep terrorists from entering the US? Given that scenario, surely the US has a higher stake than Canada does in keeping them out? Shouldn't the US, then, be more highly motivated?

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 02:54 PM

Apparently we should abandon the "longest unguarded border" designation.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 03:27 PM

US/Canada border is 8,893 km (includes 2,477 km with Alaska).

That converts to 5526 miles. Subtract Alaska's border (assuming as Guest US stated about Canada that "there is nothing there worth blowing up" (and with apologies to Alaska 'catters. because my years in the Northwest Territories have made me aware just how beautiful the north really is)

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 03:43 PM

US/Canada border is 8,893 km (includes 2,477 km with Alaska).

That converts to 5526 miles. Subtract Alaska's border (assuming as Guest US stated about Canada that "there is nothing there worth blowing up" (and with apologies to Alaska 'catters. because my years in the Northwest Territories have made me aware just how beautiful the north really is))--that then leaves 3987 miles of border between Canada and the USA to be defended by Canadian troops. Assuming that a space of 50 yards would be an effective distance between troops to prevent the infiltration of people you do not want in the USA, that would require lots of soldiers. How many? Give me a sec. That would require 58.67 soldiers per mile. Multiply that by 3987 and we arrive at the figure 233917. Assuming you'd want 24/7/365 coverage, 701,751 soldiers. Now, let's take a pay rate of $22,000 per soldier per year (excluding the cost of bullets). The cost would be $15,438,522,000. But since that's in Canadian funds, the cost at today's exchange rate would be $12,802,486,999 American. Sounds like a helluva plan, Doug. Good thinkin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 03:45 PM

My apologies again. I used a spacing of 30 yards, not 50. But if we do move it to 50 yards spacing the US would realize substantial savings. Hope to hear from you soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 03:49 PM

Maybe we could use robots to patrol the border?

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 03:59 PM

Gawd dammit, Cluin. Here we had a way to employ 700,000 troops and also build a bitchin' big army at the same time and you mention ROBOTS. Shoot the Canadian economy in the foot why dontcha? Now, the Americans will farm the ROBOT contract out to sweat shops in south-east Asia and we'll be screwed again. Dang!

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 04:01 PM

Guess that's why I never passed Economics and Poli-Sci.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 04:03 PM

Oh no, wait!... It's because I never actually took those courses.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 04:03 PM

Doug,

I may have a way to do it for 10 trillion. Save ya a bundle. Ignore Cluin's suggestion. Keep in touch.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 04:05 PM

Cluin, LOL. Good one.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,US
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 09:52 PM

Ayatollah Ad-Hominemi Brucie:

I asked the question "Is there something there worth blowing up?"

Misquoting me proves you have no credibility, just an overgorwn ego.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 09:56 PM

Hi. How the hell are ya? Hangin' OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 09:58 PM

Ayatollah Ad-Hominemi Brucie:

I asked the question "Is there something there worth blowing up?"

Misquoting me proves you have no credibility, just an overgorwn ego.

Uncle Sam

Listen pal, if you want to message me your posts to be corrected before you post 'em, feel free, OK?

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Uncle Sam
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 11:34 PM

Ayatollah Ad-Hominemi Brucie:

I put that in there so you would not have to come up with a real answer, just an ad hominem attack as usual. That way you don't have to do any hard thinkin'.

So where did I say there was nothing worth blowing up in Canada? Did you submit that for approval?

Mr Ressam of Cannada thought there was:
A third friend discussed with Ressam the idea of planting a bomb in a gas tanker to blow up "an Israeli interest" in Canada

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 11:43 PM

Uncle Sam - How long do you think you can smear Canada with the name of one terrorist? How many learned to fly in the States?

I think when Bush comes for his visit, we should all wave American flags turned upside down. It should be done peacefully.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: DougR
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 11:46 PM

Geeze, brucie, I was just responding to the post that too many Amuricans were trying to escape to Canadian through the border, and I thought it might be helpful if Canadian troops were to seal off the border to protect Canada from all of the liberals escaping Amurica. It just seemed to me that Canada might want to consider doing SOMETHING to participate against the war on terrorisim, and if they could discourage terrorists from entering the U. S. via Canada, it would be very helpful.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 11:56 PM

But Doug, Canadian troops were and are in Afghanistan. I thought that's where the war on terrorism was/is.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 28 Nov 04 - 11:58 PM

Guest US:

I have one helluva lot more credibility that you do, pal.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:14 AM

Canadian border guards, like American border guards, are there to prevent criminals and criminal activity from coming into the country, not leaving the country, Doug. The job of keeping undesirables out of the US belongs to the US border patrol, not the Canada Customs officers.

I saw a lot of US border guards getting bored and fed up with the "Condition Orange, Condition Red" crap this past few summers. Many were also insulted by it. They resented it every time some political fart-sniffer in Washington sent around the naggy coloured signal jack to remind them it was time to quit being slack-off screw-ups and do their jobs. They knew it was all a political stalking horse after a while and it meant little to them except some overtime.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:17 AM

I have a welcome for Bush... a 21-gun salute.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,US
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:24 AM

How long are you going to whine about elections in other countrys?

I really don't care if you make shit sandwiches of American flags up there. It will help keep your mind off of the terrorists in your midst.

OTTAWA (CP) - The amount of dirty money that global terrorists and other criminals tried to launder in Canada during the last year is dramatically higher than reported in previous years, a federal agency says.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:26 AM

Uncle Sam smells like a terrorist to me. And I'm an American!

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 12:31 AM

And to see the magnitude of the problem in the USA, Google the following:

Money Laundering, Terrorism and Financial Institiutions - USA ...

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: freda underhill
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 01:13 AM

Money Laundering, Terrorism and Financial Institiutions - USA

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Mooh
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 10:50 AM

brucie et al...Some of that border runs through water. So long as those troops don't scare the fish and don't mind being heckled by fisherpersons...

Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Marion
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 11:53 AM

Hi RichM:

Hurrah! I can hear those harmonies already. Is Sue on the CD too?

If you have a jacket pocket you can fit the CD into, bring it along on Tuesday and perhaps I'll run into you there. I'll bring along your kickback too, in the hopes of coming across you. It's a small country. Last year I saw Willie-O's daughter on the TV news (in Toronto) of an anti-war demo in Ottawa.

Anyone going to be in Halifax on Wednesday? I think the perfect sign there would be:

"They were welcome. You're not."

Marion

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 01:47 PM

He is going to be in Halifax, Nova Scotia(that is in Canada ,George) on Wed. So far people there seem to have put the whole thing on high ignore...good on them.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 02:04 PM

USA, Get out of North America

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 03:49 PM

We in Canada want your liberals, USA! They are good people, people who would benefit any society.

As for the terrorists, well, World Terrorism Central (the real WTC)is located in Washington D.C., so I suggest you get right on it, surround the place with lethal firepower, and "smoke 'em out"! The World will thank you when you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,US
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 07:24 PM

Brucie:

Is it easier for a terrorist to enter Canada and then enter the US from Canada or to enter the US directly?

I am sympathetic to Canada for wanting immigrants. The US wanted immigrants at one time too. That's how we got a lot of undesirable elements here like the Mafia and Gypsies. Canada should be more cautious.

I remember the time Castro dumped his criminals on us and emptied his jails.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 07:42 PM

Guest US:

It is easier to enter Canada and then enter the US. Fact is, today, there are thousands of places a guy could cross the border from here to there. I have ended up in the US numerous times by accident (once in Maine, once in Vermont and once in New York). All it takes is some bush skills or swimming skills, and anyone can get in on purpose. You and I both know that. It's not a question, really. However, as a mild reproof, it is not our responsibility to keep terrorists out of the USA. It is our responsibility to keep them out of Canada. From my perspective, neither your country nor my country is doing a very good job.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,US
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 07:59 PM

Damn, We agree! The US is responsible for people coming across the US border and Canada is responsible for people crossing into Canada.

I have done it several times and they were mostly looking for beer at taht time. In Maine I saw droves of Canadians shopping at malls near the border. In Texas I saw herds of Mexicans buying Pampers at border Walmarts. They were also hauling pickups full of used cardboard back into Mexico. Evidently there is a paper shortage there.

Now colleges in the US are whining because foreign student enrollment is down. That was one of the main ways of sneaking into the US and disappearing.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 08:36 PM

We got liftoff after all this arguing. Kinda neat, eh? Nationalisms aside, what's your take on Bush?

Little admission here. I did not vote Liberal this past Federal election. However, I'll leave it to you to guess which part of the political spectrum I did give my vote to. My question about Bush is a serious one. I gather you supported him--that is, gave him your vote. May I ask why. The promise I'll make is that I will NOT argue your decision or explanation with you, nor will I make fun of it in any way. I know you are patriotic, and in many ways I am also. And I am always interested in WHY folks voted the way they did.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 08:45 PM

Guest US - and where did you family come from? We're all immigrants unless, of course, you are Native American which I doubt very much.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 08:56 PM

Even the Native Americans came to this continent from somewhere else... just a lot earlier than others.

We all come from somewhere else. Myself, I only got here about 43 years ago. But I don't remember much about it; I just know it was a tough trip. Couldn't stomach solid food at first and couldn't walk for almost a year...

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 09:00 PM

I attended a New Year's party that had the same effect on me.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 09:02 PM

Ba-dum-PUM!

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Mooh
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 09:57 PM

Wasn't it Bruce Cockburn who said, "Ask anyone who can recall, it's horrible to be born."? Good line, whoever said it. Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 11:41 PM

Shipwrecked At the Stable Door

The man who twirled with rose in teeth
has his tongue tied up in thorns,
His once-expanded sense of time and
space all shot and torn.
See him wander, hat in hand --
"Look at me, I'm so forlorn --
ask anyone who can recall,
it's horrible to be born"!

Big Circumstance comes looming
like a darkly roaring train --
rushes like a sucking wound
across a winter plain
recognizing neither polished shine
nor spot nor stain --
and wherever you are on the compass rose
you'll never be again.

Left like a shadow on the step
where the body was before --
Shipwrecked at the stable door.

Big Circumstance has brought me here --
wish it would send me home.
Never was clear where home is
but it's nothing you can own.
It can't be bought with cigarettes
or nylons or perfume
and all the highest bidder gets
is a voucher for a tomb.

Blessed are the poor in spirit --
Blessed are the meek
for their shall be the kingdom
that the power mongers seek.
Blessed are the dead for love
and those who cry for peace
and those who love the gift of earth --
may their gene pool increase.

Left like a shadow on the step
where the body was before --
Shipwrecked at the stable door.

Here ya go, Mooh. It was indeed Cockburn.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: chris nightbird childs
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 11:43 PM

"He not busy being born is busy dying"

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Nov 04 - 11:48 PM

Looks like the peace coalition will be greeting Bush they will be bearing a message to the Canadian PM, Paul Martin.

The signs will read:

HE'S NOT WELCOME HERE!

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 12:03 AM

According to some Native Americans I've spoken to about the matter, they didn't all come here from "somewhere else". Nope. Some of them did, some of them were always here. Depends on which tribes you are talking about, and in which part of the country.

This is a matter where the medicine people disagree with the conventional science community, and I believe the medicine people have got it right. The science community has become enamoured of one particular theory (which is partially correct) and tried to lump everything under that one theory. Typical.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cluin
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 12:09 AM

We're all Africans, LH. Human beings didn't pop up independently on separate continents all over the globe.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 12:10 AM

You are right about that Little Hawk. The theory of the land bridge is only one theory. If you look at the complexity of the oral history, there is very little evidence of a migration at all. The culture most definitely evolved here.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Cool Beans
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 02:03 PM

Whyntcha moon the 'Shwacker and hold up a sign sez "Kiss my left behind." It's a thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 03:55 PM

I don't for one moment believe that all human beings are descended from a common ancestor(s) in Africa. That's another scientific theory which I figure is just part of the picture, but not all.

To just believe these officially stated things is as facile as just believing what some church tells you...in either case, it's merely an opinion passed on by an authority structure which is far from omniscient, and which has already been proven wrong in its cherished assumptions time and again throughout history.

Just wait and see...

There will be new theories and new evidence soon enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,US
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 08:07 PM

those Canadians who turned out to wave "with all five fingers" during his first official visit.

Uncle Sam

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: GUEST,Lucky Pierre
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 08:12 PM

Canadian authorities have arrested US president George W. Bush in Ottawa. He has been charged with several offences under Canada's War Crimes Act.

The man in the middle

Subject: RE: BS: Suggest a welcome for Bush
From: Peace
Date: 30 Nov 04 - 08:18 PM

A quote from the link within your link, Guest, US:

An Ipsos-Reid/CTV poll released Tuesday shows 58 percent of Canadians think Bush's re-election was a "bad thing," while 26 percent believed it was good. The poll surveyed 1,000 Canadians and had an margin of error of 3.1 percentage points.