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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 13 Jan 06 - 02:53 PM The preceeding post conforms to all requirements of the Owners of the mudcat forum Not a lengthy cut and past. Contains a link to the original. Does not use ad hominem attacks. Contains no derogatory adjectives. In addition it derails Amos from his anti-bush railroad and contains none of his usual derogatory adjectives altered names. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 13 Jan 06 - 03:00 PM Old Guy suffers from delusions of adequacy, and Guest just suffers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Amos Date: 13 Jan 06 - 04:05 PM There is an implicit requirement for relative sanity, though. How anyone can justify mixing up those two people is a question that, I think, lands well outside thar parameter! :D A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: freda underhill Date: 13 Jan 06 - 05:25 PM Proof Bush Deceived America by Ray McGovern (A 27-year veteran of the CIA's analysis ranks, he is now on the steering group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)) excerpts.. James Risen's State of War: the Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, may hold bigger secrets than the disclosure that President George W. Bush authorized warrantless eavesdropping on Americans. Risen, a senior reporter for The New York Times, reports that British Prime Minister Tony Blair had an urgent need in the summer of 2002 to get the equivalent of a "second opinion" regarding Bush's plans for war in Iraq—insight independent of his own telephone conversations with the president and independent of what Blair was hearing from his own foreign office.So he chose what intelligence parlance calls a "back channel," and sent the chief of British intelligence, Richard Dearlove, to Washington to sound out his counterpart: the garrulous CIA director George Tenet, who he knew to be very close to the president. George Tenet was reluctant to receive Dearlove, but acquiesced when the British made clear that Blair considered the back-channel meeting urgent. Tenet then rose to the occasion—with a vengeance. Risen, quoting a former senior CIA official who helped host the British for a session that lasted most of Saturday, July 20, 2002, reports that Tenet and Dearlove had a 90-minute one-on-one conversation, during which Tenet was "very candid." Risen adds that by the time of this "intelligence summit," senior CIA officials had concluded that "the quality of the intelligence on weapons of mass destruction didn't really matter," since war was inevitable. That perverse attitude certainly prevailed two months later, when the fabricated National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq and WMD was produced by Tenet's National Intelligence Council in a successful attempt to deceive Congress into voting for war. The president now says that he does not want his political opposition to dwell on how he lied to Congress and the American people in order to invade a country and kill tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and more than 2,200 U. S. troops—not to mention the many thousands maimed for life. Perhaps he knows that Risen's book could do as much damage to his administration by calling renewed attention to the Downing Street memos as is likely to be done by the revelations of the secret NSA wiretapping. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: freda underhill Date: 13 Jan 06 - 05:28 PM and what does the current Pope think of George Bush and his lies? In a January 1 address to the world, Pope Benedict XVI made the following comments: "…Sacred Scripture, in its very first book, Genesis, points to the lie told at the very beginning of history by the animal with a forked tongue, whom the Evangelist John calls ''the father of lies'' (Jn 8:44). Lying is also one of the sins spoken of in the final chapter of the last book of the Bible, Revelation, which bars liars from the heavenly Jerusalem: ''outside are... all who love falsehood'' (22:15). Lying is linked to the tragedy of sin and its perverse consequences, which have had, and continue to have, devastating effects on the lives of individuals and nations. We need but think of the events of the past century, when aberrant ideological and political systems wilfully twisted the truth and brought about the exploitation and murder of an appalling number of men and women, wiping out entire families and communities. After experiences like these, how can we fail to be seriously concerned about lies in our own time, lies which are the framework for menacing scenarios of death in many parts of the world." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 13 Jan 06 - 05:42 PM "Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 12 Jan 06 - 09:43 PM You, above all, should know how to spell it. I Googled it up for ya and here's what I got: Comments: you are idiot by peace, Dec 18 2005 08:54 AM because you dont know shit abut the islamicextrims the dont care if you are jew or cris you are on there way .and about us dont worry, we will sorvive You are a real chip off of the old Bobert." You, sir, are a fucking liar. I have checked my posting history and I made NO post on December 18, 2005 at 08:54 AM. I am hereby requesting that this be checked by JOE OFFER and 1) GUEST be informed that he can either retract that with an apology or 2) that GUEST of that post have his right to post to the Mudcat blocked permanently. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:30 PM Try clicking the Google Clicky Oh Peaceful one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:37 PM That is NOT my post. I couldn't write that poorly even if I had to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:42 PM "3 visitors in the last 15 minutes: 0 Members - 3 Guests - 0 Anonymous" In the same spirit, GUEST, this is the present info on The Hate Forum So, which of the GUESTS are you? Like it, asshole? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:44 PM And the below from a GOOGLE of Nationalist Forums (www.nazi.org/community/forum/" "5 Guests, 2 Users SS__Totenkorps, spanner" Which of those GUESTS are you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:48 PM "Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,Old Guy - PM Date: 12 Jan 06 - 10:40 PM You've been whupped peace. Take your stuff over to the farting in public thread." Gee, I'll be sure to check back when the other half of your brain is functioning. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 13 Jan 06 - 06:55 PM PS: I do not believe that GUEST (above) is a member of neo-nazi forums or any of that. I think he's a bloody dolt with shit for brains--but then, he does seem to appear when Old Guy does, so that doesn't surprise me much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Amos Date: 13 Jan 06 - 07:24 PM Old Guy does seem to think it terribly clever to write from one viewpoint using multiple identities. If he weren't doing it on the Internet it would diagnosable under DSM IV. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Bobert Date: 13 Jan 06 - 07:48 PM Well, not that I have any love fir John Kerry but there is no Swift Boat Lairs Against Kerry who was there when Kerry either did, or did not turn his boat around under fire to save one of his boat mates... His boat mates ***all*** said he did, including the man he saved... Alsom their isn't one Swift Boat Liars for Bush who was present when Kerry's boat came under fire and Kerry turned th boat toward the shore and engaged in a firefight with the enemy and killed the enemy... But again, his boatmates, who were there ***alll*** said it happened... Yet, a bunch of chickenhawk GUEST and Bushites want to makie Kerryu the coward and Bush the hero??? Hypocrits, all of you and ... ...SHAME on all you cowards who lob grenades from the safty of GUESTdom... Tell ya what, I am more ashamed of you losers tonight than I have been in the many years I've been coming here.... Hey, I couldn't give a rat's ass if you like Kerry or not... I don't, but that ain't the issue... But you cowards seek to make her hero a hero fir going AWOL and makie a real hero the coward that you and yer guy really are... You are disgusting human beings... BObert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 13 Jan 06 - 09:29 PM Old Guys mother should have throwed him away and kept the stork. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 06 - 02:16 AM Was Kerry in any danger when he went to France to meet the enemy in voilation of the UCMJ? Did Bush meet with the enemy? Did Bush join an a subversive group? No answers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Jan 06 - 10:49 PM Can you spell C H I C K E N H A W K? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 15 Jan 06 - 11:45 PM "On the second day of the conference, Pitkin was surrounded by a group of the event's leaders, who said they needed more witnesses and wanted him to speak. Pitkin protested that he didn't have anything to say. Kerry said, "Surely you had to have seen some of the atrocities." Pitkin insisted that he hadn't, and the group's mood turned menacing. One of the other leaders leaned in and whispered, "It's a long walk back to Baltimore." Pitkin finally agreed to "testify." The Winter Soldier leaders told Pitkin exactly what they wanted -– stories about rape, brutality, shooting prisoners, and racism. Kerry assured him that "the American people will be grateful for what you have to say." http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=YesterdaysLies1 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Jan 06 - 11:48 PM You didn't answer the question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 06 - 12:04 AM What's better a chicken chicken or a chicken hawk? Paul Galanti, POW, Jan. 1966 - Feb. 1973, "John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in the North Vietnam prison camps took torture to avoid saying. It demoralized us." In interviews after August 20, Galanti related that it wasn't until hearing Kerry's peculiar 1971 mispronunciation of "Genghis Kahn," when aired earlier this year, that he recognized his American betrayer. http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:z8U0UnWFj7sJ:https://secure.illinoisleader.com/printer/article.asp%3Fc%3D20770+%22Genghis+Kahn%22+pow&hl=en&lr=lang_en |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Jan 06 - 11:54 AM I won't dignify your absurd charges with an answer--at least until you can muster the courage to stand behind anything you stand with either your real name (better) or at least a handle. I don't waste my time shadow-boxing with Ghosts (you're no Guest). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Jan 06 - 11:58 AM Also, to help you with spelling,----- C H I C K E N H A W K is also spelled G E O R G E W B U S H and H Y P O C R I T E. Hope that assists you in understanding. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 16 Jan 06 - 12:04 PM That's G E O R G E W B U S H. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:00 PM Just a bit of unfinished business. Per Teribus 5 Jan 2006 8:13 PM-- "Your question has been answered. You just do not like the answer." Au contraire---- (frightfully sorry about the French--I know using French casts grave doubt on my patriotism. But I can live with that)---the question has NEVER been answered. For obvious reasons--because "Before Sept 11 many in the world believed Saddam Hussein could be contained" does--obviously--link Saddam Hussein and September 11. As does "Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein." And in fact these 2 sentences from the 2003 State of the Union are only a tiny part of a purposeful--and brilliantly successful--propaganda campaign by the Bush regime, starting at least by mid 2002 and going up to the actual March 2003 invasion of Iraq (and beyond, of course). This campaign was necessary from the Bush regime's perspective because in the early days after 9-11 the official Bush line was that there was no evidence linking Saddam to 9-11--see your own 16 Sept 2001 Cheney statement. When the Bush maladministration-- (a tip of the hat to Arne for that particularly felicitous formulation)--decided to invade Iraq, they had to therefore create the impression in the minds of the US public that there were in fact strong links between Saddam and al-Queda (with the strong implication that Saddam also had links to 9-11.) This propaganda campaign is of course in total disregard of the facts--not only is there no evidence linking Saddam to 9-11, but 9-11 had negative results for Saddam--many of the loose arrangements he had been exploiting up to that time were then tightened up. However, neither you nor any other Bushite has yet come up with a clear statement, by Bush or a crony, between mid 2002 and March 2003, to deny a link between Saddam and 9-11. The Bush regime wanted to confuse 9-11, Saddam and al-Queda in the minds of the US public--and did it expertly, with the desired results. Your refusal to acknowledge the propaganda campaign cited above is based on nothing more or less than the perceived damage to your ego if you admit you were wrong---as the ideologically unblinkered can clearly see. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Bobert Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:25 PM You keep 'um covered, Ron... Yeah, can any of the chickenhawks GUEST's here say they have first hand knowledge that Kerry didn't turn his boat back to save a comrad or to go eyeball-to-eyeball with someone who had fired on his boat??? Now the Swiftboat Liars for Bus are out to claim that Congtressamn Murtha is also a coward... Hmmmmmmm? Given the hatchet job they did on former Senator McClennen this don't seem to different from their tactics... Heckm the guy prolly cut off both his legs and one arm just to get elected???? Right??? Differentr day, same carp... Boert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:47 PM Ron Davies is a CHICKEN CHICKEN Him and his left wing socialist comrades are the only ones with a license to do hatchet jobs. Because he does not have a persons name to do his hatchet job on he is belligerent and hostile like the warmongers he decries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Teribus Date: 19 Jan 06 - 12:57 AM "Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans, this time armed by Saddam Hussein." The "....THIS TIME armed by Saddam Hussein.", clearly detatches Saddam Hussein from involvement. By the time your supposed propaganda campaign got underway President Bush and the US Government were already talking to the United Nations, President Bush already had whatever authority he needed from the Senate and House of Representatives to take what action was required. Sorry Ron, there was no propaganda campaign, there was no need for one. To initiate one for whatever reason would have been completely unnecessary, it would have been a major distraction and the US Government in the wake of 9/11 had enough on their plate as it was. Your "propaganda campaign" Ron is a figment of your "conspiracy theory" obessed imagination, nothing more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Arne Date: 19 Jan 06 - 12:59 AM Guest: Ron Davies is a CHICKEN CHICKEN Ron may be of the opinion that no one should die for a stoopid and useless war (one waged incomepetently to boot, I might add). Hardly dishonourable in my book, even if that is his opinion and his opinion is mistaken (which I think is not the case). You, OTOH, seem to be perfectly willing to support others dying for whatever twisted reasons you seem to have for engaging in the "last resort" of war. But you won't pay any price yourself (and prolly in fact think that tax breaks [for the rich, you dim bulb, need we remind you -- you ain't gonna see none of it] are in fact de riguer in time of "war"). That's the chickenhawks in the two sentence summation. And it's why the chicken hawks are some of the lowest scum to infest this planet. HTH. Cheers, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Amos Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:32 AM Well, Big T, I think you live in a dream world. Maybe we all do. But I saw and heard a river of assertions comingout of Bush and Co's mouths, all of which were illogical, distorted and designed to accomplish a war agenda. If that ain't propaganda, I dunno. In addition, perhaps you have forgotten the careful scripting of talking points, the leveraging and bullying of the press, and the infamous campaigns to slander and silence criticism. All these add up to propoganda in my book. They sure weren't candid discussions with the voters. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Arne Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:04 PM Teribus: "We've always been at war with Eastasia." Yeah, Teribus, whatever. I'll put you in for a Presidential Medal of Freedom, OK? Cheers, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Troll Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:48 PM Excuse me Bobert, but when HERO John Kerry turned his boat to shore and engaged the enrmy in a firefight, the said enemy had already taken a .50 cal. burst to the body and disapeared behind a hut. HERO Kerry ran his boat ashore -abandonding his command- and went behind the hut. There was a shot after which he re-appeared and announced that he had finished the enemy. Not anyone who knows one damn thing about a .50 cal. machine gun knows that a burst to the body means that the recipient is very, very, dead. HERO Kerry was grandstanding and putting the lives of all under his command at risk. Had there been an attack at that moment, his boat would have had to wait until he re-boarded before it could move out of harms way. I would not have wanted to serve under a commander who took those kinds of risks with MY life. The fact that he rescued a man in the water is commendable, but it should be remembered that his was not the only boat involved in the rescue. You may not want to believe that the stories that the Swift Boat Veterans have told are true, but, based on what I know of HERO John Kerry during and after his few months of combat service, I can believe that they are, for the most part, factual. One has only to look at his testimony before the Congressional committee and check out his involvment with the Winter Soldier thing (where men who were not even in the military testified about atrocities that "they" has commited)to realize that John Kerry could not and cannot be believed with regard to his breif military service. BTW, does anyone know if he ever finished his service. As a reservist, he was obligated to two years active duty and then four years in the reserve with meetings one weekend per month plus two weeks active duty per year. I've never seen anything that indicates that he did that. Maybe the answer lies in those pages of his personnel file that he has never allowed to be released. troll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Arne Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:22 PM Chickenhawk "Troll" sez: Not anyone who knows one damn thing about a .50 cal. machine gun knows that a burst to the body means that the recipient is very, very, dead. HERO Kerry was grandstanding and putting the lives of all under his command at risk. Had there been an attack at that moment, his boat would have had to wait until he re-boarded before it could move out of harms way. Ummm, he got a freaking medal for that, and another one for hauling an injured soldier back on board while under fire, not to mention three Purple Hearts. Yeah, you, in the Chairborne brigade of the Fighting 101st Keyboarders, can spout all you want about what Kery should have done (all the while spouting the lying accounts of the Swift Boat Veterans against the Truth as to what you would have liked the "facts" in these incidents to be), but your opinion here just ain't worth a damn ... and the only character your statements impugn is your own. ... but, based on what I know of HERO John Kerry during ... You? You??? You are full'o'crap. And a cowardly sleazeball to boot. You're not fit to spitshine Kerry's combat boots. I'd note that pretty much everyone that served with Kerry has only the highest regard for him. Think I'll take their word for it over yours, particularly seeing as you don't know Kerry at all. One has only to look at his testimony before the Congressional committee and check out his involvment with the Winter Soldier thing... Ohhhhhhhh. So you don't like the guy. IC. So that makes it perfectly acceptable to slime the guy for his unarguably brave acts in Vietnam, rather than to disagree as to the facts of what he said? My, with a sense of "honour" like that, I'd bet that Kerry is just as happy you never served under him. Cheers, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:29 PM Don't start confusing the issue with facts, Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Teribus Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:32 PM Just as well your hero Kerry didn't do it now. To deliberately use 0.50 cal against personnel is against the Geneva Convention. By the bye Arne please explain: Arne - 19 Jan 06 - 06:04 PM Teribus: "We've always been at war with Eastasia." Where does thaqt quote come from - Certainly not from anything I have posted. Please clarify |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:36 PM "We've always been at war with Eastasia." Read George Orwell. No, you won't find his books on the FOX News sites. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Teribus Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:38 PM 1984 - A satire |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 19 Jan 06 - 09:40 PM Yeah. Written in three parts. GFY. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Old Guy Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:04 PM Liberal Lefties sure use the word Coward a lot. Wonder why? If anybody stands up to them they get branded a coward. Do they mean more of a coward than they are? Looks like a coward would not stand up to them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:07 PM Troll refers to Kerry when he writes, "I would not have wanted to serve under a commander who took those kinds of risks with MY life." How would you like to serve under a commander that tortures POWS and doesn't give a damn what may happen to you under the same circumstances? In fact, the U.S. basically says its O.K. to torture. As a soldier who may at any time be captured by enemy forces, does that make you feel safe and secure? Don't you think that puts all U.S. soldiers in a high-risk category? If they don't kill you, you can always look forward to capture and torture. Doesn't sound very risk-free to me. At this point, Kerry has very little to do with actions of Bush. Bush has to stand on his own two feet and so do you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Bobert Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:17 PM Hmmmmm??? I was all prepared to dispatch the usual cast of apologists but seems like there's nuthin' left to clean up here... Good work, com-patriots... ***Danged*** good work, I might add... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Old Guy Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:12 PM Bobert: While you are patting your self on the back, the word should be Comerades. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Ron Davies Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:12 PM Teribus: "By the time your supposed propaganda campaign got underway, President Bush had whatever authority he needed from the Senate and the House of Representatives to take whatever action was required." WRONG ( again). As I said, the campaign started about mid 2002. At that point, Bush had NO authority from anybody to invade Iraq, which was the Bush regime's plan. Much as it pains me to say it--and you can imagine how it does--you've blown it yet again. In the US there is this pesky thing called public opinion-- (I believe you also have it in the UK, no?)--which means Senators and Congressmen make sure they have their constituents behind them before signing off on the little matter of a war. You see, the problem is that in a war killing and dying may possibly be involved--and constituents, for some reason, tend to feel strongly about such things--even if, perhaps, you don't. I've also explained, more than once--but your holiday break does not seem to have improved your memory---that since the first Bush line, as reflected in the 16 Sept 2001 Cheney quote, was that Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, that had to change, in order to justify the planned Iraq invasion. And it did change. The campaign had to confuse Saddam, 9-11 and al-Queda in the minds of the US public--and it was a brilliant success in doing precisely that--as most sentient beings have noted--it would be a shame if you were not in that number. And your absurd emphasis on the 2002 election, I'm sorry to tell you, won't hold water. Guess what happens after the 2002 election. It's the 2004 election. It never ends. That's why the propaganda campaign was necessary--- from the perspective of the Bush regime--- right up to--and beyond-- the invasion. Too bad about your fragile ego, which won't allow you to admit you're wrong on this one. Next time you might want to pick a better issue to defend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Bobert Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:27 PM Ouch, T.... Ron has zero-ed in his sights and guess who is in the middle of the cross-hairs???? You done messed up, son... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Arne Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:17 AM Teribus: By the bye Arne please explain: Looks like your education has some holes in it. Google is your friend. Well, that is, until your hero Dubya uses the GWOT as an excuse to start harvesting Google records to see what you've been up to. Which is perhaps another reason you should edumacate yourself about the quote above. Cheers, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Arne Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:21 AM And your absurd emphasis on the 2002 election, I'm sorry to tell you, won't hold water. Guess what happens after the 2002 election. It's the 2004 election. It never ends. And that's why we've always been at war with Eastasia. Not that Teribus would be aware of such. ;-) Cheers, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Teribus Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:16 PM Actually Ron I was not aware that the US had declared war on Iraq. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Arne Date: 20 Jan 06 - 01:26 PM Teribus: Actually Ron I was not aware that the US had declared war on Iraq. Strangely enough, Teribus, I tend to agree with you here. I don't think the U.S. did declare war in Iraq, and I think that Dubya acted lawlessly in using U.S. troops to attack. I think that the U.S. Constitution gives Congress the non-delegable power to declare war, and the Congressional "authorization" (actually, it was a resolution) was not such a declaration. Cheers, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Old Guy Date: 20 Jan 06 - 03:50 PM RD: Are you lifting another glass of Liberal Koolaid whenever you say cheers? When was the last time war was declared? Was War declared when the A US President said: " Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons. " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Peace Date: 20 Jan 06 - 04:15 PM "Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world." Their purpose is the same as England's purpose during the colonial age. It's about conquest, not the 'interests of people . . . around the world.' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Bush Iraq Propaganda Campaign From: Arne Date: 20 Jan 06 - 04:50 PM Old Guy: I suspect you're drinking a little nip'o'sumptin' yourself. That's me, not Ron Davies. As for whether I think that was a declaration of war, no I do not. In fact I also think that such was illegal (and did so at the time, as well as the time of the 1993 missile attacks). Cheers, |
