BS: The Irish Peace Process

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Dead Horse
Date: 24 Nov 09 - 07:43 AM

Having served in NI with HM Forces I can assure you I have an opinion, but I can see both sides of this long heart wrenching story, so will not be seen to align myself with either side.
The extremists have had their day and, barring a few die-hard souls who cannot be appeased, have agreed to lay down their arms while the peace process has ITS day.
Long may it continue to do so.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 10 - 02:02 PM

Jim Carrol posted this today on the Bloody Sunday thread.
(I have deleted a bit about Holy Cross School because it is seven years out of date.)
I think it is out of place in that thread, but people can choose.

The fact that 'The Troubles' have not gone away is evidenced by the persistent aggressive behaviour of militant Unionists which manifests itself in massive intimidatory marches, particularly around this time of year. Proof enough of the aggressive nature of these marches is the constant demand by the organisers that they should be allowed to take place through Catholic areas. Just how current the threat of violent trouble is is shown by the rioting on the streets of Belfast this week.
So unless people can prove otherwise, for me the problem still exists and can break out at any time. The British people are paying to maintain the fragile peace in partitioned Ireland and, should trouble break out again, it is they who will provide the cannon-fodder and the cash to force the lid back on it yet again.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 10 - 02:04 PM

Jim Carroll.
Sorry Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 10 - 02:36 PM

Jim you say,
"The fact that 'The Troubles' have not gone away is evidenced by the persistent aggressive behaviour of militant Unionists which manifests itself in massive intimidatory marches, particularly around this time of year."

They always have marched and they always will.
Hardly evidence that the Troubles are still on!

Riots?
A few scuffles. That is how it is likely to remain for some time yet, but nothing like the old days thank God.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:13 AM

The dissidents killed a policeman yesterday.
The young man,25, did not die at once.
It was briefly reported here on Mudcat, but no one expressed any opinion.
He is only the second since PSNI was established ten years ago.
Both were singled out because they were Catholics. (Sectarian killings?)

It is the main news story here.
All political and church leaders in britain and Ireland condemn it.

US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton said the US government "strongly condemns the appalling murder of the police officer in Omagh, Northern Ireland today".

"The perpetrators of this cowardly act represent the failures of the past, and their actions run counter to the achievements, aspirations, and collective will of the people of Northern Ireland," she said.

"Our thoughts are with the family and loved ones of this young man who lost his life because of his decision to serve the entire community.

"We echo the unequivocal condemnations by Northern Ireland's politicians and call on anyone with information to cooperate fully and expediently with the Police Service of Northern Ireland."

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 05:04 AM

A sad loss of a young life. Thoughts with his family today.

Also this week in Ulster I see the government has admitted that Private Michael Williams, of the 3rd Battalion Parachute Regiment told lies when he said he saw and fired upon IRA gunmen. He used this as an excuse when he murdered a little girl who was only 12 years of age, Majella O'Hare who was shot twice in the back by Private Michael Williamson her way to church in 1976. A brave guy.

A letter signed by Defence Secretary Liam Fox was handed over to the family of Majella O'Hare on Monday. It is only the second time an apology has been offered for incidents involving the Army during the Troubles. The other was last year in relation to the Bloody Sunday killings of 1972.

So we should also remember the family of this little girl Majella O'Hare today. Para Michael Williams must face a murder trail for the killing of this little girl.

Her brother said on Monday: "It's 35 years ago this year in August, the pain is still as much as in the days and months and years afterwards - it never leaves.
"It is not closure, but we have moved along the way. It has been a long time coming. It still does not avoid the fact that Majella is dead as a result of their actions."


The original RUC investigation found that Private Michael Williams was not returning fire at a gunman as he claimed and they recommended to prosecutors that he be charged with manslaughter. The prosecutors agreed and charged him with manslaughter, but he was acquitted. I think the people in Ulster reserve justice, and para Williams, MUST be charged with murder.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 05:56 AM

The fact that 'The Troubles' have not gone away is evidenced by the persistent aggressive behaviour of militant Unionists which manifests itself in massive intimidatory marches, particularly around this time of year. Proof enough of the aggressive nature of these marches is the constant demand by the organisers that they should be allowed to take place through Catholic areas. Just how current the threat of violent trouble is is shown by the rioting on the streets of Belfast this week.
So unless people can prove otherwise, for me the problem still exists and can break out at any time. The British people are paying to maintain the fragile peace in partitioned Ireland and, should trouble break out again, it is they who will provide the cannon-fodder and the cash to force the lid back on it yet again. (emphasis added.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 06:21 AM

So, no blame for the dissidents Jim, just for the other community, whose summer parades all passed off peacefully and without any trouble again last year, and with the blessing of Sinn Fein.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 06:41 AM

The blame lies with thos who partitioned a country and with all those who support the partitioning - whoever and how many they may be.
Until the country (Ireland) is united, the problem will be passed on from genration to generation - despite those eejits who claim it no longer exists.
It is not the job of we English to either run countries or tell the occupants of those countries how they should be run - that should have gone with the Empire and Ireland is proof that it hasn't.
No more to be said, not by me anyway - as they say where I come from "you don't boil cabbages twice"
By-eee - have a good day.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Teribus
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 09:16 AM

"It is not the job of we English to either run countries or tell the occupants of those countries how they should be run - that should have gone with the Empire and Ireland is proof that it hasn't."

And as far as I am aware the English have no say whatsoever in the "running" of Ireland North or South.

Also as far as I am aware Ireland will only ever be "united" when the population of Northern Ireland demand a referendum and vote for unification and the population of the Republic hold a referendum to agree to that unification - I would say that that comprehensively canvasses the opinions of the occupants of the island of Ireland both North and South of the border.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 10:11 AM

"I would say that that comprehensively canvasses the opinions of the occupants of the island of Ireland both North and South of the border." Been here before Terribus - you never made your point last time - doubt if you have anything new to say, and living in the Republic (majority bit) gives a pretty clear picture of the fact that, while the affair may have been put on the 'long finger' the continuing violence just passes the problem on to the next generation without a solution.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Allan Conn
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 11:29 AM

"The blame lies with thos who partitioned a country"

I don't think that washes with most people. Surely both parts of Ireland voted pretty overwhelmingly and agreed that the future of Northern Ireland should depend on the majority both in Northern Ireland and the Republic. People are freely open to disagree with the majority and campaign for their own preferences - but the only person to blame for planting a bomb is the bomber himself.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 11:31 AM

Jim, your solution, unification against the will of the people, would not produce a violent backlash?

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:11 PM

So what about this week's news of Private Michael Williams, the 3rd Battalion Parachute Regiment guilty of murdering this 12 year old girl ?

Gerry Adams as leader of the Provisional IRA used to say "Intensify the campaign prior to an election." Probably to disillusion voters and cause embarrassment to mainstream political parties exposing their parties had no influence over the men of violence.

He taught them well, and it could prove to bite Sinn Fein on the ass in May.

Up until now, the RIRA and the CIRA have shown their attacks to be amateur and lacking materials and or retaining a permanent skill base. Between them, membership seems to be a few guys with big ego's or an axe to grind with ex Provisionals, in fact several have been victims of Provisional beatings and expulsions.

This new group, Óglaigh na hÉireann, is different, little is known about them due to membership coming from campaign hardened ex Provisionals wise to success of the individual small cell policy. Their leadership comes from both the I.N.L.A. and the Provisionals and they have the capabilities, knowledge and ability to make contact with suppliers of materials.

I think this is a concerning time, Onh numbers may be small, they may only represent a minor friction of republicans, but the Provisionals didn't exactly have the community behind them either late in their campaign. As yesterdays atrocity showed, it only took two men and the element of opportunity.

Sin Fein will have more to lose in yesterdays attack, they were scoring votes from middle ground parties, the community may see this as republican violence and Sinn Fein unable to deliver in their promise of an ending of the armed struggle.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 12:24 PM

That should have been dealt with correctly at the time.
If he shot the child on purpose, he is a dangerous psychopath.
If it was an accidental or negligent discharge, he should have faced the consequences.
A few years ago, an IRA gunman admitted shooting a child in the troubles whose death had been blamed on the army.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 01:51 PM

No one seems to want to cop to the idea that religion is at the basis of the "troubles".

"Papist", "Proddy", these names should tell you something.

There are these apologists that say that the "troubles" are all about economy. False.

Look at Bahrain. Shiite against Sunni.

Even now, women in Egypt are becoming second class citizens. Why?
They are being tested for virginity.

The anti-Muslim wave in the U.S. is being carried by Terry Jones and fundamentalist
Christians. Mosque burnings anyone?

Then there's Israel and Palestine. No nation called Palestine? Not true. It takes more than a piece of paper to make a nation.

When Sunnis and Shiites get past their religion enough to get together for common purposes such as peace, "Proddies and Papists", Jews and Muslims, Christians and Muslims, Tibetans and Chinese (yes the latter claim a certain kind of religion loosely defined), Hindus and Moslems, on and on.

Peace will come when people personalize and not socialize their religious beliefs and allow for non-belief.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 03:57 PM

"Jim, your solution, unification against the will of the people, would not produce a violent backlash? "
The people of Ireland as a whole have never been consulted on the matter in circumstances that would produce and accrate picture of what they they (as a 32 county nation). Rather they were not given the choice what the country was partitiond and more recently have been shellshocked by twenty odd years of open warfare into hoping (once again) that it will come right in the end.
That shellshock is now wearing off and troubles are starting up again.
Incidentally - as it was you who mentioned taking sides, did you know that following the ceasefire and the Good Friday Agreement, numbers of former Loyalist paramilitaries turned their attentions to terrorising eastern European immigrants - violence, threats of same, and arson attacks - that should put them in your 'white hats' team.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 03 Apr 11 - 07:15 PM

Within the past two years, police in the Irish republic have recovered a large number of Gloch handguns during raids on known drug dealers in Limerick, Cork and Dublin. Through intelligence and admission during interviews, these weapons were traced back to a consignment that came in via Scotland to Loyalist paramilitaries in Ulster.

Regarding decommissioning, Loyalists in Ulster made only a token gesture. The PSNI have known for some time that Ulster Loyalists have been exchanging weapons with southern Irish drug cartels for class A drugs.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 06:58 AM

"Within the past two years, police in the Irish republic have recovered....
"The fact that 'The Troubles' have not gone away is evidenced by the persistent aggressive behaviour of militant Unionists which manifests itself in massive intimidatory marches, particularly around this time of year. Proof enough of the aggressive nature of these marches is the constant demand by the organisers that they should be allowed to take place through Catholic areas. Just how current the threat of violent trouble is is shown by the rioting on the streets of Belfast this week.
So unless people can prove otherwise, for me the problem still exists and can break out at any time. The British people are paying to maintain the fragile peace in partitioned Ireland and, should trouble break out again, it is they who will provide the cannon-fodder and the cash to force the lid back on it yet again. (emphasis added.)"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 07:23 AM

Contentious parades should not be allowed to pass through areas that could cause offence or public disorder. Parades or gatherings celebrating the culture or tradition of either community should be confined to their own respective areas, sad it should be that way, but that is the reality of it. No one wants areas designated as catholic or protestant, unionist or republican, but the fact is, they exist.

There is no doubt that a number of people within the nationalist/republican community in Northern Ireland would like to see unity of Ireland. There is also no doubt that those living in the south of Ireland are abhorrent to the very thought of it. Throughout the troubles the southern Irish made no effort to hide their displeasure of "the black north" as they called it.

Queen coming to Dublin, articles 2 and 3 dropped by the Irish government, rugby and soccer played in Croke Park, there is your answer. Southern Irish NEVER wanted to inherit the north, I would love to see evidence stating otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 10:35 AM

Jim, do you find no fault with the dissidents?
Only the Unionists?

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 11:19 AM

"Jim, do you find no fault with the dissidents?"
Of course I do - some of them, on both sides, are murdering scum.
I have pointed out that I have no brief for any side, but I have come to recognise, from family connections, from taking an active interest in Irish history and from living here, that while the border remains, so will the killing - we've had nearly ninety years so far - what's your solution - blame it on the children again - or say it's all over bar the shouting? Peter Robinson's and Martin McGuinness's statements today don't appear to bear you out.
Ireland is a political problem, not a criminal one.
"There is also no doubt that those living in the south of Ireland are abhorrent to the very thought of it."
Where did you get this extraordinary idea - at a rugby match?
The Black North referred to the fighting there, certainly not the ownership question.
Perhaps you and Keith could club together and buy a book, then get somebody to read it to you.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 12:20 PM

Jim, I have probably forgotten more about Northern Ireland than you ever amassed as knowledge in your lifetime. Have you ever been to the North ?

Jim, you are a freestater, and as such have no conception of the North of Ireland. You belong to a state that executed republicans since the 1920's. Maybe you should read up on Ballyseedy.

Also the executions of republicans in the 1940's, carried out by the southern government. Your nation offered a sprinkling of active support during operation Harvest (1956-62), also in the Omagh/Armagh raids of 1954.

Less than 1% of those sentenced or interned in Long Kesh/the Maze/Crumlin Road/Magilligan and Armagh women's prison were from the south of Ireland.

You come from a country that turned it's back on republicanism, any question you may have on Northern Ireland, please ask. Yes I had a professional interest in Northern Ireland before you ask.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 04:15 PM

Jim, the Unionists have made it clear that they would fight rather than be subjugated against their will.
Get a 1% majority and you can have them and good riddance.
Without a majority you are looking at a real armed struggle, not peace.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 05:02 PM

I thought that everybody would have realised by now:

According to Jim Carroll there is only one correct "history of Ireland" (Be that North or South) and that is "the history of Ireland" according to Jim Carroll Irrespective of historical narrative, public record or substantiated personal statement.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 04 Apr 11 - 06:57 PM

I do not generally get involved in debates or discussions concerning Northern Ireland. I do however understand the cause of Irish nationalism. I also understand that unionists living in Northern Ireland are hold a greater sense of loyalty to Queen and country than many of us living in mainland Britain.

I do not wish to denigrate Jim in this thread, but he clearly lacks an understanding of the situation over there. It seems somewhat strange that someone living in Milltown in County Clare should express republican aspirations. As I recall Seán O'Carroll, is the only County Clare volunteer to join the ranks of a Belfast battalion, then again, you have to go back to the 1920's for that example.

I do understand the nationalist community faced injustice concerning housing, the electoral system and employment in the province. These matters have long since been addressed. I think Mr. Carroll would have difficulty finding a member of the Northern Ireland nationalist community telling him otherwise.

If changes in the constitution of Northern Ireland are to occur, it will be for the 1.6 million people living there to decide. Not us living on the mainland, and certainly not those living in the Irish Republic.

I fear the biggest challenge to the peace process will occur after the May elections. Sinn Fein should take the office as First minister. Hardliners within unionism will find this a bitter pill to swallow and possibly through unity withdraw from government, subsequently collapsing the assembly. I feel Northern Ireland will eventually go back to direct rule within a decade. I hope I am proven to be wrong.

Jim expressing his aspirations of a united Ireland is as romantic as St, Patrick's day in New York. He is unrealistic and incapable of understanding the opinions of others.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 02:17 AM

"I have probably forgotten more about Northern Ireland than you ever amassed as knowledge in your lifetime. "
"Jim, you are a freestater, "
Richie:
Apart from the fact that I'm a Brit living in Ireland, I have to thank you for your spectacularly illuminating history lesson.
The Irish Free State actually went out of existence 74 years ago when it was replaced by The Irish Republic in 1937.
"I do not generally get involved in debates or discussions concerning Northern Ireland."
And who's to blame you for that wise decision?
I think you might have forgotten a leeeeeeetle too much Irish history - don't you?
Now there are three of you, perhaps you can raise enough money to buy a bigger book with a little more up-to-date information, and maybe bigger print.
'Irish Free State - sheeeeesh!!'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 04:23 AM

Clearly you haven't spent much time in the North of Ireland Jim, otherwise you would know "Freestater" is a derogatory term used in the north to describe someone living in Southern Ireland waving the rebel flag from the comfort of his armchair sitting at the fireside.

You come on here, dispute facts and figures, attempt to distort the truth and in doing so show your lack of understanding of the situation, you make an ass of yourself man.

I am more than willing to answer any question you put to me concerning Northern Ireland or pre 1922 Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 12:30 PM

"Jim, you are a freestater, and as such have no conception of the North of Ireland."
Richie - your above sentence shows as little evidence that you were refering to an obscure (non existent) "derogatory term" as anything you have written so far shows the vaguest understanding of the present situation in Ireland - we can all make up excuses to cover our ignorance - you want to read some of Keithie's beauties!
Perthaps you might provide me with a reference of its use.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Stringsinger
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 12:49 PM

I think that most people know that history is often rewritten to serve propagandistic
interests.

The politicization of Ireland is easily accessed.

The real history will show a deeper level of interrogation than found here.

Papists and Proddies have been at it for centuries.

Anyone from Ireland interested in a unity of these two opposing religious ideologies?

So where does the IRA come down on this issue?

It's the same old merry-go-round as found in Israel and the Palestinian territory.

In the US, certain factions are still fighting in the American Civil War.
In Ireland, The Battle of the Boyne.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 05 Apr 11 - 01:50 PM

Jim, I have read through a lot of your earlier posts, I am sorry to say, you are like a horse with blinkers on. The situation in Ulster will run in cycles, like it has in the 1920's, 40's, 50's and 1969 onwards.

There will always be a level of resistance to British rule within a section of the community living in Northern Ireland. Britain will never give a declaration to leave Northern Ireland until the people living there demand a referendum.

The majority of those living there don't want a British withdrawal, the government of the Republic of Ireland certainly don't want to inherit the north.

It is down to numbers on the ground, the ground being the 1.6 million people living in Northern Ireland. Neither you or I have that call.

I think you will agree I don't run tit for tat stories past you, there are horrendous stories of grief on both sides, I lost someone dear to me a long time ago in Belfast. Calling it up or marking score cards of atrocities will get us nowhere.

You hold your opinion, allow others here to do likewise.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 03:14 AM

"I am sorry to say, you are like a horse with blinkers on. "
Richie, coming frome someone whose knowledge of Ireland and how she is goverened is seventy years out of date, 'blinkered' rings more than a little hollow, don't you think?
We have all been affected by the violence in Ireland over the last decades. I have had family members and friends injured in the fighting. Earlier, I've had relatives burned out of their homes by Orange thugs and forced to seek refuge in the south.
I do not want a say in the running of Ireland, certainly no more of one than any other British citizen should have in maintaining peace keeping forces with my taxes, and having family members and friends living under the threat of being used as cannon-fodder to maintain order. But on the other hand, I do want any government that claims to speak for me to be answerable for what takes place there, be it the massacring of unarmed demonstators, or the allowing of annual violently intimidating sectarian marches leading to disorder, injury and even death.
Personally, I mistrust all nationalism - as far as I'm concerned people are far more important than national boundries or flags or accents or skin-colour.
But he fact remains, the partitioning off of a substantial part of any country is a grossly artificial and aggressive act which, as far as some people are concerned, is unacceptable enough to die and kill for. Had that partitioning been forced on the people of Britain as it was in Ireland, I have no doubt whatever that we would have seen the same slaughter there as has taken place since partitioning (and many centuries previously) both here and in mainland Britain.
I have no doubt that unification will happen - it appears to be happening at this time - no border, no travel restrictions, a gradual move to political equality..... it's all happening; but the longer that process takes, the more body-bags we'll have to count.
So as far as your accusations of naivety - you may take them and shove them where William shoved his ninepence, along with your Red Hand of Ulster.
Best,
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 03:55 AM

Jim,
"or the allowing of annual violently intimidating sectarian marches leading to disorder, injury and even death."

Can you justify that extraordinary statement?
Certainly not with reference to the parades of recent years!

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 04:14 AM

Don't feel the need to justify anything to you Keith - you've proved your worth elsewhere,
Come back when you know something
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 05:25 AM

An explanation to above, in case you or anybody is in doubt
You have spent the last few months proving to the world that you are a a racist.
The last thing I want to do with my time is discussing the rights and wrongs of anything to do with another race with you and your kind
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 05:45 AM

Jim, reading through this thread , there was once a number of members who shared similar views to yourself. Any idea where they are now ?

I spent a lot of time travelling to and fro to Northern Ireland over the years and met a lot of great people. I disagree that I am ignorant to the history of Ireland. Don't be afraid to test my knowledge at any time.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 06:01 AM

So you are saying that you can justify that statement, but not to me.
You did not make it to me, but to the forum.
Justify it to the forum.
In recent years the parades have all been peaceful.
Haven't they Jim?
(And, you lie about me.)

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 06:12 AM

"You did not make it to me, but to the forum."
No - I made it to Richie Black - I've said all I have on the subject a dozen times over.
"Don't be afraid to test my knowledge at any time."
What's the point Richie - you hadn't even realised that Ieland had ceased being The Free State seventy-odd years ago.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 06:37 AM

Are you calling me a racist, Jim ?

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 07:20 AM

No Richie - where do you think I have?
A patronising and ignorant maybe!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email)
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 08:36 AM

Sorry, I read your post, "You have spent the last few months proving to the world that you are a a racist."

Then when Keith replied to you, you said "No - I made it to Richie Black -"

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 09:08 AM

My apologies - my point was made directly to Keith's behaviour on the Muslim thread - as far as I'm concerned, no-one is a racist until they make racist statements; as far as I know, you haven't, Keith has - apologies for the confusion.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 10:00 AM

Keith has not.
If I have post it up.
I am no racist and have never made a racist statement, here or anywhere else.
You are deranged.

Subject: RE: BS: The Irish Peace Process
From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 06 Apr 11 - 10:23 AM

A young man has been brutally murdered.
It seems that the GAA & the Northern Irish Police Service will both form Honour Guards at his funeral. (Bear in mind that until fairly recent times, British Soldiers & NI police were completely banned from playing Gaelic Games)
Prime Minister of the Republic, First Minister of NI(Unionist),& Deputy First Minister NI (SF)will all attend the funeral, and have all condemned the murder.
The vast majority of people in NI, RoI, and GB are totally disgusted by and utterly reject this violence.

Despite these tiny minority of terrorists, we have come a long way.
We must continue.

"What's done is done, & what's won is won,
And what's lost is lost and gone forever.
I can only pray, for a bright brand-new day
For the town I've loved so well."