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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 01 Jan 07 - 11:39 AM Gno more Gnome Visit the new site 'Mudsling' not Mudcat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 01 Jan 07 - 12:07 PM Posting with civility |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Sorcha Date: 01 Jan 07 - 12:08 PM You could go find Bert some diaper rash ointment? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 01 Jan 07 - 12:30 PM " please feel free instead to post whatever might please you in PMs to me." And you should feel free to PM Max about all of your stupid, boring complaints instead of inflicting them on all of the rest of us. Obviously, no one else agree with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 01 Jan 07 - 09:34 PM "As none of this well-intentioned imposition has made any difference -except to further divide us - perhaps it is now time to stop this and try another approach?" That sounds like a great idea Shambles. Why don't you try a new approach and only post your arguments one time each instead of time after time after time. We all know what you want done. If it hasn't been done by now then it is obviously because Max does not agree with you. Stop pestering people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 03 Jan 07 - 02:22 AM The current rules and enforcement policies ARE considered fair by most of those who bother to comment. *Smiles* You've made all the points that you have to make and you can see that no one but you is too interested. Our forum can clearly see that the usual noisy few who feel they have some right to prevent others from posting their views are still interested enough to use their energies to carry on posting to this rather shameful end. And to pretend that it is a noble purpose. And that a certain favoured few are now openly seen to be encouraged to post abuse. That this only further compromises our forum's owner - who they presume to speak on behalf of. Please feel free to post and support this bullying on our forum - but please do not continue to maintain the pretence that it has anything to do with being open or fair. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 07 - 02:38 AM Our forum can clearly see that the usual noisy few who feel they have some right to prevent others from posting their views are still interested enough to use their energies to carry on posting to this rather shameful end. Shambles you are a liar. Look at the post dates. There were no posts yesterday when you did not post. When you were absent for a few days recently there were no posts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 03 Jan 07 - 04:55 AM You (whoever you may be) are still interested enough to refresh this thread. And to post and avoid the thread's subject. Perhaps as you are so interested, you could explain the point of our 'moderators' imposing closure on any thread - if these threads can be later re-opened (by special request and at the descretion of these anonymous fellow posters)? Would it not make more sense and be more in keeping with the concept of an discussion forum - that still remains open for the public to express their views - for all threads on our forum (once started) to remain open? Or should this be taken to its logical conclusion and all posters now be expected to first obtain permission from our anonymous fellow posters, before starting (or contributing to) any thread? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 07 - 05:03 AM Shambles. People do respond what what you say, eg. as I did then, point out you were lying but, when you are not here this thread dies because there is only you with any interest bringing in new or repeated complaints. Try leaving it alone for a month next time and see what happens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 03 Jan 07 - 05:29 AM Because posters may not feel free enough to post their views - does not mean they are not interested in reading the views of others. As long as this thread exists - they will always have the opportunity to read such views and to contribute should they wish to. And those who are really not interested - can simply ignore it and not refresh it. As thankfully not all posters feel they have the right to prevent others from posting their views or any right to be seen to inhibit others by publicly judging their worth. But as you can see from the three recent threads started and linked to here - there is no lack of interest in discussing the only subject that all posters to our forum have in common. Which is of course our forum. And no matter what energy is expended by those few fellow posters who feel themselves qualified to judge others - (and who divisivly refer to themselves as 'we') - consider it to be 'their' forum and do not wish anything other than blind praise of their efforts to be discussed openly on our forum - it will remain our forum.....As long as it remains. And long may it remain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 07 - 05:32 AM Trouble is, this thread is a festering scab that has to be scratched from time to time. Ooh, baby, that feels gooood! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 03 Jan 07 - 05:35 AM But as you can see from the three recent threads started and linked to here - there is no lack of interest in discussing the only subject that all posters to our forum have in common. Posting with civility Gno more Gnome Visit the new site 'Mudsling' not Mudcat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST,Conspiracy theorist Date: 03 Jan 07 - 05:53 AM Come to think of it, have Shambles and Teribus every been seen together? Is one's paranoia merely the obverse of the other's obduracy? Or vice versa? I think we should be told. Oops, sorry - of course, there's a conspiracy not to tell us. Or is it the other way round. SHAMBLES!!!!!!! Quit messing with my brain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 07 - 06:04 AM You may be on to something. Shambles protests about 'spin' from the authorities here and Teribus uses every bit of government 'spin' (facts to him) he can. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 07 - 01:29 PM Shambles, You really are a twit. Your postings are beginning to sound like a very bad Monty Python skit. Do you even possibly know how ridiculous the terms "current Chief of the Mudcat Editing Team", "favoured posters", "our (not Max's) forum" sound? Not to mention that your phrasing, faulty/idealistic logic and repititious postings are totally laughable. Just give it up. Absolutely no one agrees with you or cares what you write. It would be so nice if everyone would leave you alone to wallow in your mud but too many people feel like they have to debate every word that you say. It certainly is humorous to see you post a few times without response and to watch how each post sound more desperate then the one before. How does it feel to know that people are laughing at you and not with you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: kendall Date: 03 Jan 07 - 01:41 PM On a dead man's door, you can knock forever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 07 - 01:56 PM The poor guy is just a misguided simpleton. Perhaps a bit retarded even. That would explain the constant repeat, repeat, repeat. I hate comparing him to a dead person. He's daffy and obnoxious but harmless. I guess every group needs a resident court jester or village idiot. Does this make me a "favoured poster" because I insulted Shamby? I just realized that he his really living up to his name. He is turning this site into a Shambles. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 03 Jan 07 - 02:06 PM Subject: RE: Shambles & Birthdays, Why? kendall Date: 06 Nov 06 - 01:56 PM Shambles used to irritate the hell out of me by wasting space just to have something to say. Now, I simply ignor any post that he puts up. Works for me. If only it did... Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: kendall - PM Date: 03 Jan 07 - 01:41 PM On a dead man's door, you can knock forever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST,Laughing my ass off Date: 03 Jan 07 - 02:07 PM "Dance Monkeyboy, dance!" Ever notice how the same twits keep posting, sometimes anonymously, and saying the same thing over and over - and then they accuse Shambles of doing the same thing? You love to bait him and then when he reacts that way you expected him to, you feign horror! What jerks you brainless boobs are! When I see longtime members of Mudcat trolling about, it makes me realize that Shambles is far from the problem. You supposed "examples" of behavior should be ashamed of your own actions. Perhaps the elevator isn't getting up to the top floor for some of you folks? You love to make fun of Shambles, but you have your own set of problems that need addressed. Moderators, longtime members, anonymous trolls. You are all cut from the same cloth. You morons are all the same and love to sniff your own butts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 03 Jan 07 - 02:13 PM http://help.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=3473&messages=6 The following from the above thread - in the Help and Trouble Forum. Subject: RE: Well, Well, Surprise? From: Joe Offer Date: 03-Jan-07 - 02:31 AM Clinton was blocked. He attacked another Mudcatter once too often. He can come back, on probation, if he contacts me by e-mail and asks. So far, he hasn't asked. And the "Where's Clinton" thread was deleted because we don't allow threads that are critical of individual Mudcatters. Sorry, kids, but we're cracking down on nastiness around here. If you don't like it, try being nice for a change - or at least have the guts to post your name when you feel like being nasty. I gotta credit Clinton for that - at least he didn't hide his identity. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Peace Date: 03 Jan 07 - 02:15 PM Hi, Shambles. I guess it is about whose dog gets bit, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST,more Cut and Post Date: 03 Jan 07 - 02:17 PM "Sorry, kids, but we're cracking down on nastiness around here. If you don't like it, try being nice for a change - or at least have the guts to post your name when you feel like being nasty. I gotta credit Clinton for that - at least he didn't hide his identity." -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 07 - 02:17 PM LMAO just logged on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Cluin Date: 03 Jan 07 - 03:12 PM I'm starting to think maybe Shambles has a valid point in there somewhere. Why was this thread closed? Just wondering... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 03 Jan 07 - 05:09 PM And this one? Clinton? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Cluin Date: 03 Jan 07 - 05:43 PM BANG! POW! Somebody's got an itchy trigger finger these days. Oh well, Hammond always insisted this place needed a firmer hand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Cluin Date: 03 Jan 07 - 05:44 PM Except now they're taking a pre-emptive approach and closing threads BEFORE anything objectionable might happen in them. Censor the idea.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: number 6 Date: 03 Jan 07 - 05:49 PM "Ever notice how the same twits keep posting, sometimes anonymously, and saying the same thing over and over - and then they accuse Shambles of doing the same thing? You love to bait him and then when he reacts that way you expected him to, you feign horror! What jerks you brainless boobs are! When I see longtime members of Mudcat trolling about, it makes me realize that Shambles is far from the problem. You supposed "examples" of behavior should be ashamed of your own actions." He may not be speaking in the most eloquent manner, but unfortunately there is a lot of truth in what Laffing His Ass Off is saying. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST,fauxno Date: 03 Jan 07 - 06:18 PM Reasons for closing a post should be stated in no uncertain terms if there's to be any lesson taught to the readership and posters. The reasons for the post closing should be stated in text immediately below the statement that the post is closed. As to attacks against Mudcat members, such attacks occur and remain undeleted in several threads. Preventing the naming of an attacked member in a thread title makes that practice inconspicuous to those reading the thread titles, but does not address the practice of posting attacks within threads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 07 - 06:19 PM No shit! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 03 Jan 07 - 11:01 PM So let's see if I have it straight. We can't post a thread asking why someone has been banished. But we can still have this ridiculous thread that insults the moderators and Max and voices constant complaints about the day to day running of the site. What am I missing here? If there was ever a need for a thread to be closed it is this one. And all future complaints about management should be edited out too. This isjust a suggestion...not a complaint. You guys are doing a great job. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Jan 07 - 02:59 AM Well, it got tiring playing cat-and-mouse with Shambles, so I decided to let him have one complaint thread where he could say whatever he wanted - and where others can say what they want, even if it is critical of Shambles. I instructed the Clones to leave this one thread alone and not to use their editing buttons on this one thread - and I don't delete or edit anything here, either. I generally stay out of the discussion, although I do respond with factual information when Shambles or others post something misleading or untruthful about Mudcat editing actions. And one weekend, Shambles had a campaign that implied that we were deleting all sorts of things that we don't delete. So, that one weekend, instead of deleting messages, I transferred ALL to-be-deleted messages to the previous Shambles "closed and deleted" thread, as evidence of what we actually do delete in a normal weekend. It would seem if I'm accused, I ought to be able to present refuting evidence, no? Past experience has shown that public discussion of individual controversial Mudcatters leads to nastiness, so we don't allow it. As I have explained before, I delete threads about Shambles, Martin Gibson, Clinton Hammond, and about anonymous Guests as a matter of course - whether or not they start out innocently. No, it isn't worth explaining each of these deletions, or to do much explaining of any of our editing. Most of it follows common sense, if one of our guiding principles is that we want to keep the peace here. No doubt, there's going to be a few who will condemn our actions and want to make an issue out of anything we do. It's a shame that we can't discuss our editing policy more frankly, but there are people here who turn any such discussion into a kangaroo court. Are our solutions to these problems perfect? No, certainly not. Keeping the peace in a place like this is a messy job, and sometimes there are inconsistencies and mistakes. But we try to be honest and to do as well as we can. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 04 Jan 07 - 04:43 AM Are our solutions to these problems perfect? No, certainly not. Keeping the peace in a place like this is a messy job, and sometimes there are inconsistencies and mistakes. But we try to be honest and to do as well as we can. -Joe Offer- Can you explain what is honest about you being seen to ban two members for posting personal abuse but being seen in this thread to openly encourage others to post exactly the same thing? I have noticed that when you assure our forum, using phrases like 'doing as well as we can' - this is usually an attempt to justify doing only what you want. Whatever consequences may result to our forum and whoever is compromised in the process. Most systems are judged on their results - not what are claimed to be their well-intented best efforts. Why should this system be any different? Our forum really does deserve better than this. As the mess I see is the one you have largely created - which you openly criticise - refuse to take any resposibility for and for which you openly post to judge and blame everyone else for. If your best efforts have failed - and in your 'for the record statement' you have admitted this - can you please move on and allow someone else who will accept some responsibilty for their actions to try a different approach? One that is seen to be open and fair. One that can be seen to protect everyone. And one that all of our forum can support and will not continue to divide its posters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: The Shambles Date: 04 Jan 07 - 04:48 AM The crack down |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST,not Joe Offer Date: 04 Jan 07 - 05:37 AM OK, since you insist: This Thread Is Closed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST,fauxno Date: 04 Jan 07 - 10:18 AM That post of 5:37 am, which I now see is satirical, had me going briefly. So it all depends on where you draw the line, literally. Live and learn. Previous management communications through proxy had left me wondering what might happen next. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST,fauxall Date: 04 Jan 07 - 10:25 AM fauxno - can I refer you to this thread and the one preceding it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST Date: 04 Jan 07 - 10:40 AM A confession was in order, given the conversation in which I engaged at the thread linked to above. Am I the only one "around here" who ever admits error? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Jan 07 - 11:32 AM Not quite. ;-) I have admitted errors on a few occasions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (2) From: GUEST,fauxno Date: 04 Jan 07 - 11:32 AM I made the 10:40 am post. But I guess it's no big deal around here to forget to enter a handle.
-Joe Offer- |