Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??

Subject: Origins: Copyrights??
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 05:48 PM

Where's the best place to find copyrights for Celticky Folky songs?

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: GUEST,Joe Offer
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 05:58 PM

Here's a pretty good place, Jim. First, use the Filter and try to find if there's a thread on the song that you can post your question to. If not, start a new thread.
-Joe Offer, at work-

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: Jim Lad
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 06:27 PM

Thanks Joe: There are a few and some of my searches bring me right back to Mudcat threads. "Air Fa La La Lo" is an example. I just had a thought that maybe some Governing Body keeps a catalogue of what is and isn't in the public domain?!!

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 16 Apr 07 - 08:08 PM

Yes, lots do. See the vast number of earlier 'copyright' threads where people ask the same question, though usually without mentioning what country they are in (on which the answer depends).

In the case of 'Air Falalalo', the tune is traditional but the words are by Hugh S Roberton, US copyright 1938. Roberton died in 1952, so copyright will not yet have lapsed.

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From:
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 03:00 AM

Depends on whether you sing the Gaelic or English version. The Gaelic one would be Trad

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 01:20 PM

For Ireland you might try the Irish Traditional Music Archive in Merrion Square Dublin
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights??
From: Jim Lad
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 01:24 PM

You mean Roberton didn't create this from thin Air?

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 02:23 PM

Celticky ???? Eughhhh.

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: MMario
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 02:25 PM

well - I think we all know (at least vaguely) what he means. - but since "celtic' is more or less meaningless when applied to music, at least as the industry applies it; making a mish-mash of the term really doesn't make much diffence, does it?

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 02:28 PM

I've seen June Tabor and Eliza Carthy pigeonholed as 'Celtic' before. A very lazy adjective.

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 03:01 PM

What, lazy?! From the industry that gave us 'self-titled' and 'covered' and ... (help me out here, people) ...

Subject: RE: Origins: Copyrights for Celticky Folky songs??
From: Jim Lad
Date: 17 Apr 07 - 04:34 PM

Sorry guys. The title is in jest, the question, sincere. I'm a Celt. I can do that.
The reason for asking in the first place is that it really sticks in my craw to give some collector credit for songs which he has merely translated and adapted. I could go out tomorrow and adapt any number of songs from the Romance Languages. That doesn't make them mine. If all Hugh Roberton did in 1938 was to re-arrange a Gaelic song, why shouldn't it be public domain?
Malcolm: I'm in Canada.