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jacqui.c 03 May 07 - 09:48 AM
Rasener 03 May 07 - 10:16 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 03 May 07 - 10:28 AM
optic 03 May 07 - 10:45 AM
optic 03 May 07 - 10:54 AM
Georgiansilver 03 May 07 - 10:59 AM
Liz the Squeak 03 May 07 - 11:01 AM
Georgiansilver 03 May 07 - 11:01 AM
The Borchester Echo 03 May 07 - 11:26 AM
Dave the Gnome 03 May 07 - 11:38 AM
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Richard Bridge 08 May 07 - 02:41 AM
George Papavgeris 08 May 07 - 02:58 AM
Big Al Whittle 08 May 07 - 11:41 AM
Dave Higham 08 May 07 - 07:05 PM
The Fooles Troupe 08 May 07 - 07:21 PM
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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: jacqui.c
Date: 03 May 07 - 09:48 AM

Eric Bogle at Watford - the first half consisted of acts by George Papavgeris, Johnny Collins and Martin Wyndham Reid. The whole thing just blew me away, it was wonderful.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Rasener
Date: 03 May 07 - 10:16 AM

>>Muppett threatening to bare his arse (and doing so) to the audience<<

Was it smiling :-)


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 03 May 07 - 10:28 AM

The Dog & Gun, Maidstone...1978.

We'd booked Cyril Tawney as guest and we put him up on the stage at one end of the room.

He said hello, picked up his drink and his chair, and moved down between the two front rows, and treated us to an evening of wonderful songs and patter at about loud whisper volume.

You could hear every word.

He grabbed 45 people by the heart, and just didn't let go.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: optic
Date: 03 May 07 - 10:45 AM

Countess Richard......in the 60's when I was but a young lad, I saw a beautiful woman in a Folk Club...a stunning woman who was with her boyfriend...I was captivated by her beauty as were 99.9% of the other guys in the club.....it was allowed then and I believe it still is.
I lightheartedly made a comment about it at the beginning of this thread and you seem to have made a crusade of what is right and what is wrong with regards you what you believe are sexist attitudes.
I will be 60 next year and still find young women beautiful...and I am not just some pervert or dirty old man or indeed sexist.
I had a look at your photo by the way....I think you are very attractive but am I insulting you by telling you this?????
Please lighten up...life is too short!!!

Sorry I don't know how to put that into a quote on here!
Anyway, VERY WELL SAID!
I was in many a folk club watching the Watersons in the 60's, in mini skirts or "hot pants", hair that I can still sit on, flowing down my back. Of course the guys looked, and paid compliments, and I loved it! Fabulous times, Fabulous memories.I am 60 now too, but I'm not such a prune.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: optic
Date: 03 May 07 - 10:54 AM

Just to add to my previous post...I remember once Alex Campbell playing in a folk club and inbetween songs I thought I'd nip to the ladies. I had to walk past himm to get to the loos and as I passed he made that gutteral growling noise that men make when a lady takes their fancy, to the audience, and all the guys whistled in the room! The place was heaving,. and I was very embarrassed , but if I'm honest, I did enjoy it too!


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 May 07 - 10:59 AM

Reading back through your posts Countess and some on other threads I have taken the time to look at... I would say you are a very balanced sort of person......you are the only person I have seen on Mudcat that has a chip on both shoulders.....lighten up please!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 May 07 - 11:01 AM

I have head hair I can sit on (just) but nothing on earth would induce me to wear a miniskirt or hotpants...

My first introduction to Pete Coe, when he sang an amazingly haunting song that finished with him singing into the back of his banjo to get a hair-raising echo... there was complete silence for a good 10 seconds after it, it was stunning.

If festivals count...

Watching Nic Jones attend his first festival after the accident... I knew nothing of his work beforehand, and didn't fully understand the look of incredulity and joy and happiness that he got when he remembered the words to a chorus song. It was like he'd found a lost child, which, I now realise, is more or less, what it was.

Eric Bogle and someone else singing together at one of the northern festivals (CRS has struck, can remember neither festival nor other person!)... They did 'The Gift of Years' and it blew me away. In a crowded hall that 10 minutes earlier had been a roaring hellhole of shrieking laughter (Incredible String Band), you could have heard an ant fart.

LTS


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 03 May 07 - 11:01 AM

optic...nice to see that you appreciated being appreciated. I have certainly appreciated your input here...sort of restores ones faith in human nature. Best wishes, Mike.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 May 07 - 11:26 AM

My, my, fancy being actually pleased that a sexist Glaswegian throwback was behaving in the crass manner which was his wont. While one may well despair of such sexist behaviour it was, at the time, sadly not uncommon. But for a woman to be so lacking in self-respect that she failed to apply her knee to a crucial area was a glaring omission. But not to regret not having done so 40 years on defies credibility. There are some women really do seem to deserve, indeed welcome, their oppression. Brian McNeill, can you please rewrite Strong Women Rule Us All cos the original hasn't worked too well. Alternatively, compulsory songwriting workshops with Sandra Kerr and Frankie Armstrong are urgently required. Which brings me to those two (and a few others) as probably the best thing I've ever seen in a club: The Knave of Clubs in Bethnal Green circa 1975.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 May 07 - 11:38 AM

Ooooooh - Runrig have had their crown snatched from them. I had forgotten all about the Incredible String Band. I had heard of the obviously and I am of an age where you would think I had seen them before - Not so.

I was at a very dull trade show in Brighton a couple of years back when I noticed a poster advertising the ISB at the Komedia club. What a fabulous night that was. The Komedia, for those that do not know it, seems to be a throwback to the old 'night club' days. Table seating, table service and food as well as good beer and live music.

The band were out of this world. I have bought everything I could of theirs since. Some of the early stuff is very naive 60's 'hip' but musicaly they were stunning even then. Now, if the line up is still going, they are even better.

Cheers

Dave


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 03 May 07 - 11:46 AM

"The answers are the question, sir"

(Robin Williamson)


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 May 07 - 02:41 AM

1. I think it is plain that Georgiansilver's original post that so inflamed the C**ntess was a throwaway line that did not merit the weight placed upon it.    In short an obvious overreaction by the C**ntess.

2. Surely most people are pleased, at least in part, by the statement or implication that they are sexually attractive. What is improper is any actual or implied threat - but such threats occur, whether they be of the kind discussed here, or the generic threat of violence that may be uttered merely by stance (although it is more usually offered to men than to women, perhaps the legacy of territorial or other embattlement in previous generations).

3. Generally I think that folk clubs events are less truly threatening (sexually or otherwise) to women than most other events. Nonetheless I have posted to the Rochester Sweeps thread some comments that maybe relevant here (in edited form): -

"Some factors that will tend to militate against my daughter's further enjoyment of "folk sessions" (a shame since she herself is such a spectacular performer and there one of the two or three in total of performers present under 25) include navel-gazing snigger snogwriters, amplification (ie "open mic"), the absence of folk song, and lecherous old men who although they are unable to intimidate her may intimidate others. There was a bad example on one night at Sweeps(not, I think, a Cat member), who was fawning over a particularly contemporary singer, and making a fool of himself persisting in trying to kiss reluctant young(ish) women. Oddly, I remember her mother being critical of one or two very respected figures of the 60s and 70s folkocracy who allegedly were more (and equally unsuccessfully) interested in her nether regions than in her voce or guitar work. These were not limited to primary supporters of fatlib."


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 08 May 07 - 02:58 AM

Hearing Scowie's "When all men sing" for the first time, in a crowded bar in Bushey on Boxing Day 2000, by Johnny Collins. Talk about hair standing up...

Hearing Martyn Wyndham-Read's version of Bogle's "Gift of years".

Dave Webber & Anni Fentiman singing "Blackbird", as she quietly slipped her hand into his.

The first time I saw Cloudstreet singing "King Willie" I cried with laughter even as I was amazed at their vocal feats. And later when I heard them singing "Scots of the Riverina", I just cried; and still do every time I hear them sing it. Too close to home.

The Songwainers singing in the Kettering folk club in October 1973. Wow - I'd give a year of my life just to go back and listen to them again.

You guessed it - I am a vocals man.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 May 07 - 11:41 AM

Ralph McTell at Cousins allnighter - autumn 1968.

he wearing a turquoise Levi suit, big white desert boots that used to waggle up and down when he was playing ragtime.

someone said, ain't you the bloke who wrote that Streets of London song?

he said, yeh that's me

And he played it.

I'd never heard it before - I think everybody thought it was utterly stunning.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave Higham
Date: 08 May 07 - 07:05 PM

"the guys looked, and paid compliments, and I loved it! Fabulous times, Fabulous memories.I am 60 now too, but I'm not such a prune."

Well said 'Optic'. Nice to hear a sane (and honest) response as opposed to the pathetic outpourings of the vitriolic Duchess Dick. I suppose one ought to feel sorry for someone with such an obvious personality problem. Anyone know what the female equivalent of misogynist is?

By the way, the original question from Captain Mick Diles was "please tell the forum ,about the best thing you have SEEN at a folk club".


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 May 07 - 07:21 PM

"snogwriter*"

Yep, there far too many of them around in 'pop-rock' today too.... :-)


Ah, there's the door....




sup>* snogwriter - a writer of songs that are all about sex....


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 07 - 07:34 PM

So no "Jon Anderson, my Joe" then. Or about two thirds of the songs of the tradition!


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Joe_F
Date: 08 May 07 - 09:06 PM

From my journal, 11 May 1988:

Passim: Concert by Pat Humphries,[...]. The performance was inoffensive but pretty thin gruel: no vivid images, not even any rhymes, all the songs very short, and politically correct. There was, however, a pair of young men in the audience who were worth the price of admission; they were in love & snuffled & touched each other & laughed a lot. I left after the first set.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 07 - 10:41 PM

An "outsider" was drunk. He pissed on the beer, declaring it not worthy. He passed out out. He lay in the roses. The club pissed on him.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 May 07 - 02:48 AM

When the Countess reads that Guest...Urine trouble!!


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Tunesmith
Date: 09 May 07 - 03:33 AM

During my first visit to a folk music event in 1964, someone sang Shoals of Herring and the way the audience joined in the refrain just blew me away. I can recall being mightily impressed when I first heard Nic Jones perform "Billy Don't You Weep for me" accompanied by that driving bluesy guitar riff. I also have very fond memories of seeing Dando Shaft at Les Cousins. But, probably, top of my list would be seeing Hedy West in folk club in Ormskirk(?) in 1967. Great stuff.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 03:54 AM

Synonym.com says: Sorry, I could not find antonyms for 'misogynist'.

This is because there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them and created purely for them to look at (and down on).

There exists, even now, some women conditioned into conniving at male 'approval' instead of striving to become fulfilled human beings in their own right. They are as misguided and as ridiculous as males seeking to impose and to justify an outdated myth of superiority.

The 'best thing' to be seen at any music venue is musicians of whatever gender playing with excellence.

Oh and Tunesmith, Hedy West rehearsing in my living room, banging her feet on the wood floor and pissing off the neighbours beneath was pretty damn good.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 07 - 04:27 AM

"This is because there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them and created purely for them to look at (and down on)."

Musht be shome mishundershtanding, shurely.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST,Moneypenny
Date: 09 May 07 - 04:36 AM

Nice one, Rich


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 May 07 - 05:59 AM

La la la la la la ....


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:00 AM

Sam Sherry nearly (but never quite) banging his head on the folk club ceiling

Packie Byrne's Storytelling - after which I understood the meaning of the word enthrall..

Pete Bellamy playing slide guitar...

The disasterous cock roach circus at chester folk fest circa 1980...

Old Rope String Band totally winning over a very very difficult audience..

Walter Pardon and the Watersons


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Surreysinger
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:19 AM

Disastrous cockroach circus??? Guest, do tell ... I'm intrigued (the rest I can well understand - and envy .... but that one??????)


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Grab
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:52 AM

The word is "misandrist", Countess. There are plenty of them out there, treating men as if they were children to be patronised and told what to do. There's rarely an interest in looking *at* though, simply in power over. If we're talking people from the 60s, Fanny Craddock would be the perfect example.

As far as looks go, it's well established that men *aren't* the main discriminators - women are more judgemental to other women based on appearance than men could ever be.

And the belief that it isn't possible for men to comment positively on a woman's appearance without considering them a sex object is itself a prejudice against men. Yes, some men do consider women as objects; but that doesn't mean all men do; nor that men who can recognise beauty in women's appearance or dress are objectifying women.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 07 - 06:55 AM

Damn, Grab, I was just about to post the Wikipedia entry

Misandry
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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All men are false, says my mother,
They'll tell you wicked, lovin' lies.
The very next evening, they'll court another,
Leave you alone to pine and sigh.

—"Silver Dagger", traditional song[1]

Look up Misandry in
Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Misandry (IPA [mɪ.ˈsæn.dri]) is the hatred of males as a sex, as opposed to misogyny, the hatred of women. Misandry comes from misos (Greek μῖσος, "hatred") + andr-ia (Greek anér-andros, "man").

Look up misanthropy in
Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Although misandry is sometimes confused with misanthropy, the terms are not interchangeable, for the latter refers more generally to the hatred of humanity. A concept related to misandry is androphobia, the fear of men, but not necessarily hatred of them. The opposite of misandry is philandry, the love of men.

Misandry is not discussed very often compared to misogyny. Feminist writer Judith Levine has called misandry "the hate that dares not speak its name".[2]


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave Higham
Date: 09 May 07 - 08:32 AM

The "countess" says "there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them".
She seems to be living proof to the contrary.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 07 - 08:39 AM

I think that the difference is that a misogynist thinks that he is superior to women whereas a misandrist KNOWS that she is superior...

:D


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 07 - 08:47 AM

Meanwhile, back at the folk club....


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:08 AM

Anybody called Dave (except Mr Eyre):

This is a truncated, West End theatre bill-stylee extract of a quote which fails to reflect and, indeed, distorts what I was saying. That some embittered, attention-span challenged, brains-in-Levis male person who thinks music venues are there to pick up women who don't mind should attempt such a transparently cheap trick is unsurprising.

What I said was "Synonym.com says: Sorry, I could not find antonyms for 'misogynist'." And, as a matter of accuracy, that is correct.

Women I associate with do not automatically stereotype men as, well, hardly 'inferior' but with inflated superiority pretentions (until of course those that are like that prove it by their crass actions). Misandrous women generally have an agenda: they've been subjected to oppression. And the antonym of 'misandry' is 'philandry', an activity scarcely confined to women. Not that there is necessarily anything wrong with that, it's just how it's done.

I cannot but return to my earlier assertion: the best thing to be seen at a music venue is musicians of whatever gender playing excellently.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:15 AM

And you would never notice if a male (or female) of the species was attractive or downright good looking or ugly?...all you would notice is the music?


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:22 AM

How . . . er trivial.

What a person 'looks like' is only useful in being able to recognise them again.
What and how they play (and what kind of person they are) is infinitely more important.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Sugwash
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:30 AM

The antonymn of misogynist is misandrist — hope that puts an end to it.

So to recap:

Misogynist — someone who hates women;

Misandrist — someone who hates men;

Misanthrope — someone who doesn't like anybody very much (can be applied to some Mudcatters it would seem).

To the original question, Vin Garbutt.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave Earl
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:33 AM

This person called Dave still finds it difficult to agree with the Countess (Child 68 versions I have seen do not name a Countess by BTW - yes I know what the wife of an Earl is called)

You are currently hooked on the phrase "The best thing to be seen at a music venue is musicians of whatever gender playing excellently"

Last night on my home from work I dropped in to have a peek at a music session and have a late pint.A young fiddler was playing a fast jig tune. He was playing it very well I as a non-musician would have said. But he had head down over his fiddle,his eyes shut and was totaly ignoring the other three fiddlers who it seemed to me would have liked to play along. Also I lost count of the number of times he went through what seemed to me to be the A and B parts of the tune.

This seemed to me to both disrespectful to the other muso types and to the music (how long can a dancer carry on dancing a fast jig? not eight and a half minutes I think.

Dave


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:36 AM

La la la la la la ....

Meanwhile, back at the folk club....

Countess Richard, disguised as a woman....


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:44 AM

Actually, Countess, you also said:

"This is because there is no direct female equivalent of those persons of male gender of the persuasion that women are, per se, inferior to them and created purely for them to look at (and down on)."

It seems there is.

You have entirely over-reacted to a passing comment. Back when we were young and our hormones rampant we all went to folk clubs to score (by which, this time, I refer to sex, although other scoring was not unknown either). The males did it, the females did it, the others of either type did it. We all did it. Each of us showed out, as best we could, for sexual partners of the preferred gender. We all kept an eye out for it.

The Hagstrom acoustic brochure was based on it - a leggy (female) blonde with a Hagstrom J-45.

The Daion acoustic brochure was based on it - the "Love at first Cmaj7" brochure.

Both still sell on ebay.

It happened to the chap who was the president before me of my hall at university. He went to a folk club, and there was a girl there, and both agreed they saw nothing else but each other all night.

It happened to Jacqui and me. We were sort of going out together, and one night we went to a folk club (Man of Kent, Rainham, Kent) and it was a bit tricky in that her husband was the most significant guitarist there that night (not exactly "guest" 'cos it wasn't a guest night, but you know) and damned cupid chose that night to twang so that we had the very unsettling experience of each other (she and I, not her husband) seeming a bit brighter and a bit more in focus than he rest of the room. We grew out of it later! You might have known her - very involved in the old Phoebus Wakes at the Rising Sun in Catford, resident NTMC, for a while sang pro with a trad harmony band rather like the Young Tradition, called "the Chapmen".

Two gay friends of mine, rathre more recently, reported being a little unsettled at a Joan Armatrading concert when the person of gender (well, actually, they said "Diesel Dyke") next to them yelled out "Oooh Joan, I'm coming".

It isn't necessary to knock it. The odd flip comment does not mean we are all suddenly going to start behaving as if we leapt off the pages of a John Norman "novel" from the Gorean cycle. Chill!

Flirtation in its many forms is part of the process by which we discover if a person to whom we are attracted is attracted by us. It can get pretty direct at times - remember Peter Andre showing Jordan his dick on prime-time TV? I had a friend who found a piece of paper with a girl's name and phone number on, in his underpants one morning, and he couldn't remember how they got there....

It doesn't often happen to me these days but even I have been pretty directly jumped by women at folk events. I wasn't really offered the option of politely making an excuse and leaving. It was either be rude (or at least insensitive) or go along with it.

Don't be the only one left out! Come to Knockholt and join in (but not if you are going to poison the atmosphere, there has been one elderly woman (technically a Lady, since she has some rank) there with her toyboy who has been rather a pain some years) the drinking and song!


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: alanabit
Date: 09 May 07 - 09:54 AM

My best night in a folk club was either at an early Paul Downes and Phil Beer gig, or hearing the wonderful Bill Boazman. They projected warmth, self assurance and unforgettable music.
I can't recall whether I noticed anyone of a different gender at the time, and I guess it would be unwise to mention it even if I did...


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 09 May 07 - 10:02 AM

remember Peter Andre showing Jordan his dick on prime-time TV?

You just don't know how glad I am that I do not.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 May 07 - 10:41 AM

Ahhhhhh - So it isn't all men! Just all men called Dave (except Mr Eyre) I'd feel left out if I was him:-)

Out of interest I don't think I have ever judged anyone by their gender, colour, creed or any other such measure. I like and respect most people from the first and they have to do something pretty serious to loose that respect. I do however notice differences in people. How can anyone help that? The bigger the difference the more noticeable of course. If I was at our folk club for instance and a one-legged, black guitarist turned up how am I supposed to describe her? The Guitarist? There are hundreds of those. The good guitarist? Dozens. The female guitarist? Still in the dozens. If I was to describe her as the black one-legged guitarist would I be accused of racial or ability predjudice? How ludicrous.

Cheers

one of the many misogynistic Daves apparantly...


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:15 AM

Oh No Countess Richard.....>>>>>>What a person 'looks like' is only useful in being able to recognise them again.
What and how they play (and what kind of person they are) is infinitely more important.<<<<<<<
Maybe we should start a new thread on the importance of procreation v's the importance of Folk music..................I do so wonder which the average person would choose...you know...which is most important in the bigger picture?


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Grab
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:28 AM

Women I associate with do not automatically stereotype men as, well, hardly 'inferior' but with inflated superiority pretentions

Nor do any of the men I associate with stereotype women in that way. If the men *you* associate with are like that, choose a better class of male friend. And commenting on attractiveness usually does not constitute stereotyping as inferior. Also, such compliments are *always* a positive input, indicating that your appearance gives pleasure to other people, and an absence of compliments doesn't convey displeasure so there isn't a downside. (Of course, insults based on appearance *are* hurtful, but that's not what we're talking about here.)

As you say, to go out hunting for approval from the opposite sex is usually a demeaning exercise, but to get that approval when you're *not* looking for it or expecting it is nice. I guess in the same way that if you're performing, you have to put on a front to keep people interested; but playing guitar while you're waiting for a train and having someone random say "that sounds nice" is unexpected and gives you a real boost.

Misandrous women generally have an agenda: they've been subjected to oppression

So women who behave like that are generally victims; but men who behave like that are generally oppressors? You really are trying to have your cake and eat it with that one...

Graham.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Myrtle
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:44 AM

Dave, next time you see Ted Edwards, do tell him that he is one of the best....I remember him at Didsbury College folk club singing 'Coalhole Cavalry', and he was wonderful.
Regards,
Myrtle.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:45 AM

Could be....? Who knows?
Neither you nor I. but when the wind is passing by, it perhaps brings on Freudian throwback.

Am I missing something here, does anybody give a shit about this nonsense?


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 May 07 - 11:57 AM

Instead of all this bollocks tell us a story about Hedy West, Countess. I saw her one time with Bill Clifton - theres one for the teenagers!

never spoke to her.


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 May 07 - 12:07 PM

I bought the wrong bananas, when I went down to the shop,
I bought the wrong bananas, but the man told me they're not!


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: GUEST,baz parkes
Date: 09 May 07 - 01:06 PM

Heard rather than seen...in the early seventies, just after Martin Carthy had joined the Watersons (and before his surname was appended!) they were booked at the Late Lamented Giffard folkclubin Wolverhampton. Those of a certain age will remember that the family took their song key from a note or chord from Martin's guitar. On leaving the club the following exchange was heard (for full effect your head needs to hear a Black Country accent, and please, to avoid thread creep, not a Brummie one!!)

Punter 1 "Good, wor they..."
Punter 2 "Ar....bostin. Shame that bloke at the back cor play 'is guitar though...."

Collapse of stout party. Sadly, I cannot recall what either of them looked like, or were wearing...

I once asked Vin Garbutt if he wanted a floor spot, but that's another story

Baz


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Subject: RE: best thing seen at a folk club
From: Rasener
Date: 09 May 07 - 02:55 PM

King Rollo at Faldingworth Live. He went round at the end and personally thanked everybody for coming and shook their hands. What a nice thing to do.


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