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BS: Finish the quote...

An Buachaill Caol Dubh 05 Jun 07 - 02:46 PM
Songster Bob 04 Jun 07 - 10:13 PM
Little Hawk 04 Jun 07 - 12:31 PM
guitar 04 Jun 07 - 09:10 AM
mrdux 04 Jun 07 - 01:57 AM
mrdux 04 Jun 07 - 01:35 AM
Little Hawk 04 Jun 07 - 01:28 AM
GUEST,Songster Bob 03 Jun 07 - 10:46 PM
Little Hawk 02 Jun 07 - 10:02 PM
Trevor Thomas 02 Jun 07 - 09:34 PM
The Walrus 02 Jun 07 - 08:43 PM
mrdux 02 Jun 07 - 05:37 PM
Mickey191 02 Jun 07 - 04:17 PM
Micca 02 Jun 07 - 04:10 PM
Mickey191 02 Jun 07 - 02:26 PM
Mickey191 02 Jun 07 - 12:55 PM
An Buachaill Caol Dubh 02 Jun 07 - 11:47 AM
JennyO 02 Jun 07 - 11:16 AM
The Walrus 02 Jun 07 - 10:18 AM
Mickey191 02 Jun 07 - 09:54 AM
kendall 02 Jun 07 - 07:27 AM
mrdux 02 Jun 07 - 12:59 AM
mrdux 02 Jun 07 - 12:50 AM
Mickey191 02 Jun 07 - 12:32 AM
Alice 01 Jun 07 - 11:14 PM
Little Hawk 01 Jun 07 - 11:11 PM
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Little Hawk 01 Jun 07 - 04:44 PM
Little Hawk 31 May 07 - 06:23 PM
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Lonesome EJ 31 May 07 - 05:50 PM
Mickey191 31 May 07 - 05:34 PM
An Buachaill Caol Dubh 31 May 07 - 02:41 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Finish the quote...
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 05 Jun 07 - 02:46 PM

Micca beat me to it on MG and MacBride (see "Easter 1916" for Yeats "writing it out in a line", tho' he calls Major McB "a drunken, vainglorious lout"). The French verse I tried to recall was, I'm pretty sure, garbled; now I'm thinking the first line should have been,
"Quand vous sera bien vielle..." (since "toute gris" can mean, in addition to "all grey", "pretty much drunken" in colloquial French, or at least it could some years ago). I was trying to give the Ronsard poem of which "When you are old and grey..." is a rendition.

On that note, then, can anyone complete:

"I'm S**** of S*****, aged sixty-odd,
I've lived....."

and what's his relation to Jock ****** of Peterhead?


Exits An Buachaill Caol Dubh

(Robt G)


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Subject: RE: BS: Finish the quote...
From: Songster Bob
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 10:13 PM

Correct answers to all three. I assume there may be others, since the original and the Pogo ones are so well-known.

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Finish the quote...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 12:31 PM

Ha! That's easy.

Oh, flip! What a load of horse puckey.


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From: guitar
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 09:10 AM

oh f..
what a load..


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From: mrdux
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:57 AM

"We have met the enemy and he has been smashed."
(or is it "We have met the enemy and they have been smashed."?)

                         -- Tom Paxton, "Talking Vietnam Pot Luck Blues"


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From: mrdux
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:35 AM

Bob --

I only know one, with variant. The short form is:

"We have met the enemy and he is us."

It's attributed to Walt Kelly, and I think Pogo himself is to have said it, and that's the one that I've known for years. But I've never actually seen it written that way in any Pogo strip (I admit that my search has not been all that diligent). What I have found is this longer form, in context:

"There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand. Resolve then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and tinny blasts on tiny trumpets, we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us."

        "Forward!"

                                – Walt Kelly, The Pogo Papers

michael


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jun 07 - 01:28 AM

"We have met the enemy and they are ours; two ships, two brigs, one schooner and one sloop." - Oliver Hazard Perry, American commander, reporting on his naval victory over the British on Lake Erie in 1813.

Very famous, but really quite a typical thing for a victorious commander to say in those days. Since naval victories were few and far between in those years for the rather small American fleet, this statement from Perry became very well remembered in the USA.

"We have met the enemy and he is us." - A very wise comment from Pogo. Positively zenlike, in fact.


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From: GUEST,Songster Bob
Date: 03 Jun 07 - 10:46 PM

Second try at posting this.

Now that we know the answer to the original, try this one:

We have met the enemy and he ....

Three well-known answers that I know of. Name them and their sources, please.


Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: Finish the quote...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:02 PM

Hurrah! You are correct, Trevor. Well done. I shall now reveal all.

The quotation appeared in a Sunday strip. You may recall that Bill the Cat had, during his sordid career, formed a heavy metal rock group in which he was the lead singer and also played the tongue (his tongue, of course). The group was initially called "Deathtongue", with an umlaut over the "o" in "tongue". Opus the Penguin was also part of the group, as were a couple of other characters from the strip. One of their big hits was called "U Stink But I Love U" (with a heart symbol for the word "Love"...naturally...that was very much the style in music at the time). They later renamed themselves "Billy and the Boingers" and pursued fame, fortune, sex, drugs, the usual stuff...

I think that sleazy lawyer Steve Dallas was involved too, but I can't recall in what capacity.

At any rate, this Sunday strip was a parody of the Barry Manilow hit playing above Bill's and the band's gyrations...and I paraphrase it (cos I can't exactly recall all the lyrics)...it went kinda like this:

Bill howls the songs that knot my underwear...
Bill howls the songs that make me tear out my hair...
Bill hows the songs that make the young girls cry...
He howls the songs, Bill howls the songs...
Bill is gross buckets...and he howls the SOOOONNNNNNGGGGGS!


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From: Trevor Thomas
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 09:34 PM

I thought that the 'Bill' in question might be Bill the
Cat out of the Bloom County cartoons. I don't recognise tthe quotation, though.


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From: The Walrus
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 08:43 PM

JennyO,

"Daddy" Plumer it was - the night before they spang the mines and blew the top off Messines Ridge.

W


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From: mrdux
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 05:37 PM

Kendall --

very close.

"Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes."

                – Henry David Thoreau, Walden (1854), I. Economy


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From: Mickey191
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 04:17 PM

Thank you Micca, very interesting. Maude must have been quite a woman. Guess she had brains as well as beauty. Otherwise I don't think she would have attracted those types of men. Course I could be all wet too.


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From: Micca
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 04:10 PM

Mickey 191 here is the info you seek I think
"Maude Gonne, one of the most colourful characters of Irish history, was in fact an English woman. She was born in Surrey in 1866, the daughter of an Army Colonel. Two years after her birth her father was posted to Ireland and after her mother's death in 1871 she spent her childhood between her father in Dublin and relatives in England, which she hated.

After his death in 1886 her own illness took her to convalesce in France. She had a long affair with French nationalist Lucein Milleyoye, by whom she had two children. Through him she met the old Fenian John O'Leary and she joined the Irish Republican Brotherhood. It was under Maude's spell that Yeats became a member of the Nationalist Movement.

......

Maude married the Boer War veteran John McBride in February 1903. They separted in 1905 after a long wrangle over custody of their only child, Sean. John McBride was executed with the leaders of the 1916 Rising, in what was regarded as more of an act of revenge by the British for his Boer War exploits. His son Sean McBride, entered the Irish political scene of the 1930's, became an International lawyer, founded Amnesty International in 1961, and had the unique distinction of winning both the Nobel and Lenin Peace Prizes.


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From: Mickey191
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 02:26 PM

Hello Henry (TEE HEE)
\
I wanted to see your french translated to English. The first site said they'd do it for $65.00. I demurred. Second site (Babel Fish) gave this:

When you is very gray, Assis aupres of fire, Devidant and spinning... &c &c... Ronsard celebrait me when I etais beautiful
When you i
s very gray, Assis aupres of fire, Devi
dant and spinning... &
c &c... Ronsard celebrait me
when I etais beautiful

Kinda loses something in transit.

That was a very bitchy thing Yeats said about the beautiful Maud Gonne. Not nice. Refresh my memory please-she had another famous lover-but can't recall at this moment. Do you know - was he her husband?


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From: Mickey191
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 12:55 PM

An Buachaill Caol Dubh, Have you got another name--Like when your called for tea: "Henry, the tay is on."

You are correct on Yeats beautiful love poem.

Are you in Ireland? Just nosey! Mickey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Finish the quote...
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 11:47 AM

But one man ?saw the pilgrim soul in you,
And loved the sorrows of your changing face;

something like that:

"Quand vous sera toute gris,
Assis aupres de la feu,
Devidant et filant... &c &c
... Ronsard me celebrait quand j'etais belle

And Yeats did so for Maud Gonne, in translation. Mind you, he also described her as "drinking the ditch where they lie".


For the Walrus, I wonder if it's anything to do with Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov?

For everyone else:

"Life scarce can cast a fragrance on the breeze,
But ........ "


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Subject: RE: BS: Finish the quote...
From: JennyO
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 11:16 AM

"Gentlemen, we may not change history tomorrow, but we shall certainly change the geography"

Herbert Plumer, 6th June 1917

It is about the Battle of the Messines in the First World War. No, I didn't know this one till I looked it up, but it makes interesting reading, so I thought I would link to it here.


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From: The Walrus
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 10:18 AM

No takers on "Gentlemen, we may not change history tomorrow, but..." ?

Would it help if I point out that the 90th Anniversary appears on the 6th of this month?

W


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From: Mickey191
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 09:54 AM

Great job mrdux.

My wall plaque: Puritanism: The haunting fear that somewhere someone is having a good time. H.L.M.

May the roof of this house never fall in and those within never fall out.

Six of one half dozen of the other! Now who said that?

Gross Buckets is still hanging in the wind-as are a few others. Truth to tell, I'm so unhip--that when LH finally gives the answer--I won't know what he's talking about!


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From: kendall
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 07:27 AM

..that require a new suit. Mark Twain???


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From: mrdux
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 12:59 AM

"I will be exonerated of any ridiculousness. . ."

"Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for. . ."

"Beware of all enterprises that. . ."


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From: mrdux
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 12:50 AM

"Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."

                                – H. L. Mencken

It has also come up as "A Puritan is someone who is desperately afraid that, somewhere, someone might be having a good time."


"May you live as long as you want and never want as long as you live."

"May the roof of this house never fall in and may these friends beneath it never fall out."


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From: Mickey191
Date: 02 Jun 07 - 12:32 AM

May the roof of this house never fall in
and .............


Puritanism: The haunting fear that ................


May you live as long as you want,
and ..............


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From: Alice
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 11:14 PM

very good


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 11:11 PM

...too late smart."


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From: Alice
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 11:06 PM

We grow too soon old and.........


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Jun 07 - 04:44 PM

Meanwhile, here's another one to drive you all nuts...

"We Peeweegahs, with our arrows, stilled...."


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 May 07 - 06:23 PM

What must be done is to determine who Bill is. I'll give you a clue or two. He is not Bill Clinton, he is not Bill Shatner. He is, however, someone who has been seen in newspapers across the nation. He has achieved fame. Well, notoriety, at any rate.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 May 07 - 06:16 PM

Hmmm. You're getting a bit warmer, LEJ.


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From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 31 May 07 - 05:50 PM

"Bill is gross buckets, and he howls the Harvard Fight Song!"?
or
"Bill is gross buckets, and he howls the innate frustration incumbent upon him viewing the desperate nature of his situation !"


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From: Mickey191
Date: 31 May 07 - 05:34 PM

Have not a clue on the last few. Gross Buckets still a mystery!!

This is part of one of my all time favorite poems:
(the subject is lasting love)

How many loved your moments of glad grace,
And loved your beauty with love false or true,
But one man loved..............................


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From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 31 May 07 - 02:41 PM

Not so crazy, Eddie: the words of Jem Casey, the poet of The Working Man (as recorded by the inimitable Flann O'Brien, Myles na gCopaleen, real name Brian Nolan). He too - or probably Sergeant Pluck - is responsible for the one about the Grandfather, all according to the Atomic Theory of de Selby. The first is Brendan Behan, and concludes "wouldn't keep me in drink for a weekend".


Jazus, that's quite a tongue M O'H has on her. I wouldn't put my fingers anywhere near a Holy Water Font when she was arond.... I did put my address &c when requested; maybe I'll put the house number as well, or maybe there's a problem re. the "zip" thing. I'll try again.

Now, how about something perennially pertinent:

"Here's Freedom to them that would ----;
Here's Freedom to them that would -----:
There's nane ever feared
That the Truth should be heard,
But them whom the Truth would ------."

(Slightly anglicized: would/wad; whom/wham)

Where did the wan moon set?


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From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 30 May 07 - 04:10 AM

When things go wrong, & they won't go right,
Though you've done the best you can.
When life's as dark, as the hour of night,
A pint of plain, is your only man.


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From: mrdux
Date: 30 May 07 - 12:43 AM

Ivor --

I was just thinking about the "coming clean" point of this thread: I figure it's around the time the "gross buckets" line is explained, and that doesn't seem imminent. In the meantime, if you're curious about the "human misery" quote, PM me about it.

here's another:

"The exquisite corpse. . ."


michael


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From: Mickey191
Date: 29 May 07 - 07:38 PM

Jenny O, Correct again on all three.

As for the last 3 Irish - am not familiar with any of them. Is the first: wouldn't fill a page? Pure guess.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Put the last poster's name in again & was told Not a member. So here is the story on M.O'H. She has a home in Glengariff, West Cork, Eire. She was checking out groceries & dropped some coins to the floor. She announced in a loud voice:"I shall expect these coins to be picked up & waiting for me when I shop next."

Not exactly nice. She is not well liked for this & other exchanges with the locals.


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From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 29 May 07 - 02:47 PM

Two or three Irish ones, then:

"The [number of] people in Ireland that buy books wouldn't..."

"My grandfather spent the last four years of his life as ....."

"A Pint of Plain is....."


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From: JennyO
Date: 29 May 07 - 09:43 AM

"Do what? Do I ice her? Do I marry her? Which one of these?" Jack Nicholson as Charley Partanna in "Prizzi's Honor"

"The chances are you'll get off with life. That means if you're a good girl, you'll be out in 20 years. I'll be waiting for you. If they hang you, I'll always remember you." - Humphrey Bogart as Sam Spade in "The Maltese Falcon"

"Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night" - Bette Davis as Margo Channing in "All about Eve".


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From: GUEST,CrazyEddie
Date: 29 May 07 - 04:58 AM

"If 'IF' was a donkey, we'd all have a ride!"

sounds like a variant of "If wishes were horses, beggars might ride"

Fasten your seatbelt it could be a bumpy ride


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From: Mickey191
Date: 29 May 07 - 12:23 AM

All off mine have been answered--so far.

A new set:
Do I ice her?..............

If they hang you ................

Fasten your seat ....................


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From: autolycus
Date: 28 May 07 - 12:31 PM

Mr.Dux - can't find the 'human misery' one in dozens of Dicts. of Quotes I have - soooooooooo annoying.

Since it's Irish,given the wording,might be
1.GBS(haw)
less likely 2. Wilde

or maybe 3. B.Behan



i.e.the usual suspects. When you come clean,full details would be welcome here,like work,chapter,date,stuff like that.


"Pigmies placed on the shoulders of giants............"

WARNING All the usual answers tend to be wrong.



       Ivor


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From: kendall
Date: 28 May 07 - 07:32 AM

The veil that hides the future is ....


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From: mrdux
Date: 28 May 07 - 02:02 AM

re: "There is no situation in human misery that cannot be made worse by. . ."

Mickey -- "Good intentions" . . . I like it, but not quite what the author had in mind.

LH: you have the sense of it. . . if it helps, it's Irish.

michael


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From: The Walrus
Date: 27 May 07 - 02:36 PM

Okay, try this (historical) one:

"Gentlemen, we may not change history tomorrow, but..."

Walrus.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 May 07 - 12:21 PM

"There is no situation in human misery that cannot be made worse by. . ."


Hmmm. Would it be "....a federal investigation." ?

"...a committee." ?

"...statistics."   ?

"...military intervention." ?

The possibilities are endless, really. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Finish the quote...
From: Mickey191
Date: 27 May 07 - 09:23 AM

mrdux,
There is no situation in human misery that cannot be made worse by. . ."

I want to say: Good Intentions -- BUT I have no idea why that popped into my mind.


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From: Rog Peek
Date: 27 May 07 - 06:21 AM

Sorry, it was Teribus, not Walrus......all these bloody silly names, I can't cope.


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From: Rog Peek
Date: 27 May 07 - 06:19 AM

Walrus
You've reminded me of two more quotes about 'if' that my dear mother in law used to use:

"If is a word that gets in the way'
Only for if we'd be happy today!"

and the one I liked the most:

"If 'IF' was a donkey, we'd all have a ride!"

God bless her.


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From: The Walrus
Date: 27 May 07 - 06:07 AM

Terribus,

Spot on.


mrdux,

"Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend. . ."
"...Inside a dog, it's too dark to read" - Groucho Marx, I believe.

W


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From: Teribus
Date: 27 May 07 - 05:07 AM

If 'ifs' and 'ands' were pots and pans we'd have no need of tinkers


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