BS: Oil rich Canada

Subject: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: GUEST,Victor
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:07 PM

It would appear that Canada is sitting on immense wealth. Sadly the down side is the could become one of the world's greatest polluters.

Alberta, Canada's oil sands are the largest known reserve of oil on earth, containing between 1.7 and 2.5 trillion barrels. (Saudi Arabia, by comparison, has only 262 billion barrels of proven reserves. In fact, all OPEC nations combined have less than 900 billion barrels.)

For decades, these sands weren't even considered part of the world's oil reserves because the oil there wasn't economically extractable at prevailing prices using then-current technology.

But times have changed… And the gold rush is on.

In Alberta's oil sands, energy companies don't drill for oil. They dig it up. After excavation, giant trucks three stories high - carrying up to 400 tons of oil sands - carry it off to a processing plant. There, the sands are heated in a cell where the oil comes to the top of the water and the sand drops to the bottom. This oil froth is then sent to an upgrader and eventually to a refiner.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: gnu
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:28 PM

Shhhhhhh!

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Bill D
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:31 PM

so now we have to think of an excuse to invade Canada?

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: GUEST,Victor
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:40 PM

Best wishes to the people of Canada on this new found wealth. Good management is very important and consideration to the environment will keep them right in the eyes of the world.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Bill D
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:44 PM

Good luck to Alberta...I hope it doesn't end up looking like W. Va. in a few years.
(and, the American West..Colorado, Utah, etc...have a great deal of oil SHALE that is being explored and planned as we speak.)

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:51 PM

Invade? Nah! We'd have to take Little Hawk, Dianavan, Shatner and Quebec along with the oil. Not worth it.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Rapparee
Date: 22 May 07 - 06:52 PM

Folks are looking here in SE Idaho, too. Been to costly to extract until recently.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: 3refs
Date: 22 May 07 - 07:20 PM

Fort McMurray
$13 per hr to work at Tim Horton's!

Average wage=$91,000 per year!

To be young again= Priceless!

And as far as the invasion goes, it's been tried before and so far their 0 fer 2!

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 07 - 08:08 PM

"Best wishes to the people of Canada on this new found wealth."

Two things:

1) "In mid-2006, the National Energy Board of Canada estimated the operating cost of a new mining operation in the Athabasca oil sands to be $9 to $12 per barrel, while the cost of an in-situ SAGD operation (using dual horizontal wells) would be $10 to $14 per barrel. This compares to operating costs for conventional oil wells which can range from less than $1 per barrel in Iraq and Saudi Arabia to $6 and up in the United States and Canada."

2) The tar sands have been being 'mined' for about 30-35 years now. When Oil went over $17.50 a barrel, it became very profitable. However, no one knows how to get all the oil OUT of the sands. But then it ain't goin' anywhere.


Thank you for your kind words.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 May 07 - 08:20 PM

You wouldn't have to take me along with the oil, Art. I would move to Cuba. ;-)

As for Shatner, you already HAVE him, you silly sod! He lives in the USA.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Dickey
Date: 22 May 07 - 09:33 PM

So THAT's why they've been getting so bossy lately.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 07 - 09:34 PM

The stuff has been there and known about for forty years.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 22 May 07 - 09:41 PM

Most of this oil is exported to te USA.
Canada imports oil (much from venezuala) for eastern use.
In many countries that have oil, fuel is cheap.
Not so in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Peace
Date: 22 May 07 - 09:46 PM

It is presently $1.19 per litre in Alberta.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: sian, west wales
Date: 23 May 07 - 04:44 AM

Anyway, the US is more likely to have designs on Canada for the fresh water supplies rather than for the oil.

sian

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Bee
Date: 23 May 07 - 05:33 AM

The oil sands have been luring Atlantic Canadians long enough to have inspired a few songwriters, Buddy Wasissname and the Other Fellers have written at least two, and several documentaries. It's not a bad place for an Atlantic musician - music from home is a draw. BWatOF sell out five nights in a row when they play out there.

I know a lot of trades people who spend at least part of the year working out there, mostly in the camps, where the best money is, as your room and board is paid. If you have to live in Fort MacMurray, the high cost of living, particularly accomodations, can eat your paycheck fast. Also, like any boomtown, there are a hundred ways to blow your money by way of drugs, drink, gambling and sex. There are men out there who stay for years, and leave with not enough to pay their airfare home - some who fellow workers passed the hat for, to get them out.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 23 May 07 - 03:26 PM

theyre using natural gas to process the tarsands..
natural gas which is lower in co2 emissions than oil..
as well as a hell of a lot of water.

youd think that in Canada (with all these oil reserves) wed be getting a good deal at the pumps - not so - Lately here in Vancouver its been around $1.30 a litre.

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 23 May 07 - 04:32 PM

"Lately here in Vancouver its been around $1.30 a litre."

US CEOs, no doubt. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: gnu
Date: 23 May 07 - 05:15 PM

Hey.... everybody in the gang has to bite the bullet and pay for the bullets. You think it's cheap to shoot Arabs? Planes, ships, tanks, grenades, bombs, bullets.... last time I checked, none of these grew on olive trees, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Oil rich Canada
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 May 07 - 10:56 PM

Really? Folks come West from PEI and NS and places like that?

I often take these night shift walks when the foreman's not around
I turn my back on the cooling stacks and make for open ground
Far out beyond the tank farm fence where the gas flare makes no sound
I forget the stink and I always think back to that eastern town

I remember back six years ago, this western life I chose
And every day, the news would say some factory's going to close
Well, I could have stayed to take the dole, but I'm not one of those
I take nothing free, and that makes me an idiot, I suppose

   So I bid farewell to the eastern town I never more will see
   But work I must so I eat this dust and breathe refinery
   Oh I miss the green and the woods and streams and I don't like cowboy clothes
   But I like being free and that makes me an idiot I suppose

So come all you fine young fellows who've been beaten to the ground
This western life's no paradise, but it's better than lying down
Oh, the streets aren't clean, and there's nothing green, and the hills are dirty brown
But the government dole will rot your soul back there in your hometown

   So bid farewell to the eastern town you never more will see
   There's self-respect and a steady check in this refinery
   You will miss the green and the woods and streams and the dust will fill your nose
   But you'll be free, and just like me, an idiot, I suppose.

                                        -- Stan Rogers, The Idiot

CALGARY, MY HOME AWAY FROM HOME
Words and Music by Steve Romanoff

There's a faint, silver hint of a morning,
Where the mountains meet the western sky,
And I know from the glow of the dawning sun
There's more to all of this than meets the eye.
Once I was a drifter, but now I'm a dreamer,
And it's here that my dreams were meant to be,
So here for a while I miss my dear Prince Edward Isle
For a chance on the fields of Calgary.

        So tell all the folks in Alberton,
        I started coming home and then
        In Calgary I found a friend
        And took her for my own,
        And though it isn't right for me,
        To win the land and lose the sea
        I found a home in Calgary
        My home away from home.

There are times when I'm almost believing
When another weary day is at an end,
And a song rolls along on the evening air,
I can almost swear I taste your salty wind,
As I fall off to sleep with a memory,
Of your green fields in this heart of mine,
A dream can go free among the fields of Calgary,
'Til it finds its way home to the Maritimes.

If they should ask how I'm doing, I'm doing fine.
If they should ask how I happened to stay,
If they should ask, say the chance of a lifetime
Stole my heart away.

MY HEART'S IN CAPE BRETON TONIGHT
Words and Music by Steve Romanoff

It's a Saturday night, and we're out on the town,
My new friends and me, all alone,
We will sing the old lovesongs,
We'll make toasts all around,
To living, to loving, to home,
Then I think of just how much I miss you,
And it seems I've been out here for years,
Then someone will play an old fiddle tune,
And I'll have to hold back the tears...

        So forgive me, my friends, if I seem far away,
        In a moment I should be all right,
        Though my hands hold me here, working day after day,
        My heart's in Cape Breton, tonight.

Since I left Nova Scotia for the work I have found,
I have kept all my memories within,
Of the warm nights and laughter in Waterford Town,
Or the lights on the causeway with the fog rollin' in.
Then I think of just how much I miss you,
And it seems I've been out here for years,
Then someone will play an old fiddle tune,
And I start to find my way home...


Free In The Harbour
Stan Rogers

Well it's blackfish at play in Hermitage Bay
From Pushthrough across to Bois Island.
They broach and they sprout and they lift their flukes out
And they wave to a town that is dying.
Now it's many's the boats that have plied on the foam,
Hauling away! Hauling away!
But there's many more fellows been leaving their homes,
Where whales make free in the harbour.

It's at Portage and Main you'll see them again
On their way to the hills of Alberta.
With lop-side grins, they waggle their chins
And they brag of the wage they'll be earning.
Then it's quick, pull the string boys, and get the loot out,
Haul it away! Haul it away!
But just two years ago you could hear the same shout
Where the whales make free in the harbour.

Free in the harbour; the blackfish are sporting again
Free in the harbour; untroubled by comings and goings of men
Who once did persue them as oil from the sea,
Hauling away! Hauling away!
Now they're Calgary roughnecks from Hermitage Bay,
Where the whales make free in the harbour.

Well, it's living they've found, deep in the ground,
And if there's doubts, it's best they ignore them.
Nor think on the bones, the crosses and stones
Of their fathers that came there before them.
In the taverns of Edmonton, fishermen shout
Haul it away! Haul it away!
They left three hundred years buried up the Bay
Where the whales make free in the harbour.

Free in the harbour; the blackfish are sporting again
Free in the harbour; untroubled by comings and goings of men
Who once did persue them as oil from the sea,
Hauling away! Hauling away!
Now they're Calgary roughnecks from Hermitage Bay,
Where the whales make free in the harbour.