BS: Happy Independence Day!

Subject: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 07:09 PM

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
    He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
    He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
    For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
    He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
    He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

It's time to remind ourselves of this again.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 07:47 PM

The very best to all you Yanks and Rebs.

Crank your sound.

That's for my good friend, Rapaire, and all my other firnds here. Contextualize that song and get your country back. Bless y'all. And Happy Independence Day to you from your neighbour to the north and south-east.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 08:20 PM

Oh, that's wrenching. And yes, I do understand the analogy. I'm afraid we are at the point where we just hope to survive until he's gone...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 08:44 PM

JEsus, that is one piece of music!!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 08:50 PM

Yeah, how exactly are we so friggin' independent???

Oh yeah... We don't have, ahhhhh, Tony Balir 'er the new guy to boss us around???

Heck, I'd take 'um in a heartbeat over the crooks we have... At least I don't think Blair would try to turn Redneck America against anyone who made it psat the 7th grade...

Well, okay, he might... But I don't think so...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 09:37 PM

"Yeah, how exactly are we so friggin' independent???"

I see it like this, Bobert. I happen to love the USA. Not as much as Canada mind you, but lots for all that. I love the 'spirit' of the American people. Sometimes it's brash, loud, noisy; sometimes it is heartfelt, kind, caring. Other times it is beaten down by the likes of garbage like Cheney, Bush, 'Scooter', Wolfowitz, etc. However, I used to think that Bush would pull a coup d'etat. I think he might still try, but for the first time in years, I know the bastard won't succeed. I really believe the American people will clean house and get rid of the people who are giving the USA a bad name around the world. I think you will 'take a good look' at your Independence Proclamation and examine what you almost lost with/through the abuse of your Constitution--a document I deem to rank up there with the code of laws from Hammurabi, the Magna Carta, the Ten Commandments, the Gettysburg Address. Your country has the ability to change the world for the better, so much for the better. It has the ability to ensure through peaceful means that no one starves, that children are educated, that people are free. And despite the best efforts of that bastard who now sits in your White House, I think you will take your country back from these carpetbaggers. They are trash. Get rid of them. Vote for people who will ensure that ". . . government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Once again I have a faith that the USA can overcome this crass insult to its notion of itself, and that that overcoming will be accomplished by folks like you and Ebbie and Amos and Rapaire and Janie and Mickey and Kendall, Dickey, and and and. I think that y'all almost lost it. Almost. But I think also that you are beginning to see that and you'll take your country back from the Neocons and Big Businesses. I think it's a long road ahead to rebuild from the excesses and disgraceful care the USA has received for many decades, but I think the American people can do it. AND, I think you will!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 11:13 PM

I think that the people of the US can do any damned thing they set their mind to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 11:18 PM

For sure. They just have to wake up and realize what's going on, and they can do anything they have to.

Great song.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: cookster
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 11:20 PM

Tell Bush that.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 11:24 PM

Happy Birthday, Best Idea So Far!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Peace
Date: 03 Jul 07 - 11:43 PM

Well she seemed alright by dawn's early light
Though she looked a little worried and weak
She tried to pretend he wasn't drinkin' again
But Daddy left the proof on her cheek
And I was only 8 years old that summer
And I always seemed to be in the way
So I took myself down to the fair in town
On Independence Day...

Well, word gets around in a small, small town
They said he was a dangerous man
But Momma was proud, and she stood her ground
She knew she was on the losin' end
Some folks whispered, some folks talked
But everybody looked the other way
And when time ran out there was no one about
On Independence Day...

Let freedom ring
Let the white dove sing
Let the whole world know that today,
is a day of a reckoning
Let the weak be strong
Let the right be wrong
Roll the stone away
Let the guilty pay
It's Independence Day

Well, she lit up the sky that Fourth of July
By the time that the firemen come
They just put out the flames and took down some names
and sent me to the county home
Now I ain't sayin' it's right, or it's wrong
But maybe it's the only way
Talk about your revolution
It's Independence Day...

Let freedom ring
Let the white dove sing
Let the whole world know that today,
is the day of a reckoning
Let the weak be strong
Let the right be wrong
Roll the stone away
let the guilty pay
It's Independence Day

Roll the stone away...
It's Independence Day...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 12:05 AM

In many ways this song by muh main man exemplifies the USA to me. It's what I see when I look beyond the politicians and the fear, the antagonisms and the despair. It'll come back. Just needs a little help, that's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 12:18 AM

I cannot think of a better way to say Happy 4th of July than to post the text of Keith Olbermann's "special comment" on "Countdown" tonight on MSNBC. After a long dry spell of this administration, I finally feel some pride in being an American tonight, after hearing this. If you'd rather hear his magnificent delivery, please CLICK HERE. It is well worth it, imo.

Olbermann: Bush, Cheney should resign
'I didn't vote for him, but he's my president, and I hope he does a good job.'
SPECIAL COMMENT
By Keith Olbermann
Anchor, 'Countdown'
Updated: 6:13 p.m. MT July 3, 2007

"I didn't vote for him," an American once said, "But he's my president, and I hope he does a good job."

That—on this eve of the 4th of July—is the essence of this democracy, in 17 words. And that is what President Bush threw away yesterday in commuting the sentence of Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

The man who said those 17 words—improbably enough—was the actor John Wayne. And Wayne, an ultra-conservative, said them, when he learned of the hair's-breadth election of John F. Kennedy instead of his personal favorite, Richard Nixon in 1960.

"I didn't vote for him but he's my president, and I hope he does a good job."

The sentiment was doubtlessly expressed earlier, but there is something especially appropriate about hearing it, now, in Wayne's voice: The crisp matter-of-fact acknowledgement that we have survived, even though for nearly two centuries now, our Commander-in-Chief has also served, simultaneously, as the head of one political party and often the scourge of all others.

We as citizens must, at some point, ignore a president's partisanship. Not that we may prosper as a nation, not that we may achieve, not that we may lead the world—but merely that we may function.

But just as essential to the seventeen words of John Wayne, is an implicit trust—a sacred trust: That the president for whom so many did not vote, can in turn suspend his political self long enough, and for matters imperative enough, to conduct himself solely for the benefit of the entire Republic.

Our generation's willingness to state "we didn't vote for him, but he's our president, and we hope he does a good job," was tested in the crucible of history, and earlier than most.

And in circumstances more tragic and threatening. And we did that with which history tasked us.

We enveloped our President in 2001.And those who did not believe he should have been elected—indeed those who did not believe he had been elected—willingly lowered their voices and assented to the sacred oath of non-partisanship.

And George W. Bush took our assent, and re-configured it, and honed it, and shaped it to a razor-sharp point and stabbed this nation in the back with it.

Were there any remaining lingering doubt otherwise, or any remaining lingering hope, it ended yesterday when Mr. Bush commuted the prison sentence of one of his own staffers.

Did so even before the appeals process was complete; did so without as much as a courtesy consultation with the Department of Justice; did so despite what James Madison—at the Constitutional Convention—said about impeaching any president who pardoned or sheltered those who had committed crimes "advised by" that president; did so without the slightest concern that even the most detached of citizens must look at the chain of events and wonder: To what degree was Mr. Libby told: break the law however you wish—the President will keep you out of prison?

In that moment, Mr. Bush, you broke that fundamental com-pact between yourself and the majority of this nation's citizens—the ones who did not cast votes for you. In that moment, Mr. Bush, you ceased to be the President of the United States. In that moment, Mr. Bush, you became merely the President of a rabid and irresponsible corner of the Republican Party. And this is too important a time, Sir, to have a commander-in-chief who puts party over nation.


This has been, of course, the gathering legacy of this Administration. Few of its decisions have escaped the stain of politics. The extraordinary Karl Rove has spoken of "a permanent Republican majority," as if such a thing—or a permanent Democratic majority—is not antithetical to that upon which rests: our country, our history, our revolution, our freedoms.

Yet our Democracy has survived shrewder men than Karl Rove. And it has survived the frequent stain of politics upon the fabric of government. But this administration, with ever-increasing insistence and almost theocratic zealotry, has turned that stain into a massive oil spill.

The protection of the environment is turned over to those of one political party, who will financially benefit from the rape of the environment. The protections of the Constitution are turned over to those of one political party, who believe those protections unnecessary and extravagant and quaint.


The enforcement of the laws is turned over to those of one political party, who will swear beforehand that they will not enforce those laws. The choice between war and peace is turned over to those of one political party, who stand to gain vast wealth by ensuring that there is never peace, but only war.

And now, when just one cooked book gets corrected by an honest auditor, when just one trampling of the inherent and inviolable fairness of government is rejected by an impartial judge, when just one wild-eyed partisan is stopped by the figure of blind justice, this President decides that he, and not the law, must prevail.

I accuse you, Mr. Bush, of lying this country into war.

I accuse you of fabricating in the minds of your own people, a false implied link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11.

I accuse you of firing the generals who told you that the plans for Iraq were disastrously insufficient.

I accuse you of causing in Iraq the needless deaths of 3,586 of our brothers and sons, and sisters and daughters, and friends and neighbors.   

I accuse you of subverting the Constitution, not in some misguided but sincerely-motivated struggle to combat terrorists, but to stifle dissent.

I accuse you of fomenting fear among your own people, of creating the very terror you claim to have fought.

I accuse you of exploiting that unreasoning fear, the natural fear of your own people who just want to live their lives in peace, as a political tool to slander your critics and libel your opponents.

I accuse you of handing part of this Republic over to a Vice President who is without conscience, and letting him run roughshod over it.

And I accuse you now, Mr. Bush, of giving, through that Vice President, carte blanche to Mr. Libby, to help defame Ambassador Joseph Wilson by any means necessary, to lie to Grand Juries and Special Counsel and before a court, in order to protect the mechanisms and particulars of that defamation, with your guarantee that Libby would never see prison, and, in so doing, as Ambassador Wilson himself phrased it here last night, of becoming an accessory to the obstruction of justice.

When President Nixon ordered the firing of the Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox during the infamous "Saturday Night Massacre" on October 20th, 1973, Cox initially responded tersely, and ominously.

"Whether ours shall be a government of laws and not of men, is now for Congress, and ultimately, the American people."

President Nixon did not understand how he had crystallized the issue of Watergate for the American people.


It had been about the obscure meaning behind an attempt to break in to a rival party's headquarters; and the labyrinthine effort to cover-up that break-in and the related crimes.

And in one night, Nixon transformed it.

Watergate—instantaneously—became a simpler issue: a President overruling the inexorable march of the law of insisting—in a way that resonated viscerally with millions who had not previously understood - that he was the law.

Not the Constitution. Not the Congress. Not the Courts. Just him.

Just - Mr. Bush - as you did, yesterday.

The twists and turns of Plame-Gate, of your precise and intricate lies that sent us into this bottomless pit of Iraq; your lies upon the lies to discredit Joe Wilson; your lies upon the lies upon the lies to throw the sand at the "referee" of Prosecutor Fitzgerald's analogy. These are complex and often painful to follow, and too much, perhaps, for the average citizen.

But when other citizens render a verdict against your man, Mr. Bush—and then you spit in the faces of those jurors and that judge and the judges who were yet to hear the appeal—the average citizen understands that, Sir.

It's the fixed ballgame and the rigged casino and the pre-arranged lottery all rolled into one—and it stinks. And they know it.


Nixon's mistake, the last and most fatal of them, the firing of Archibald Cox, was enough to cost him the presidency. And in the end, even Richard Nixon could say he could not put this nation through an impeachment.

It was far too late for it to matter then, but as the decades unfold, that single final gesture of non-partisanship, of acknowledged responsibility not to self, not to party, not to "base," but to country, echoes loudly into history. Even Richard Nixon knew it was time to resign

Would that you could say that, Mr. Bush. And that you could say it for Mr. Cheney. You both crossed the Rubicon yesterday. Which one of you chose the route, no longer matters. Which is the ventriloquist, and which the dummy, is irrelevant.

But that you have twisted the machinery of government into nothing more than a tawdry machine of politics, is the only fact that remains relevant.

It is nearly July 4th, Mr. Bush, the commemoration of the moment we Americans decided that rather than live under a King who made up the laws, or erased them, or ignored them—or commuted the sentences of those rightly convicted under them—we would force our independence, and regain our sacred freedoms.

We of this time—and our leaders in Congress, of both parties—must now live up to those standards which echo through our history: Pressure, negotiate, impeach—get you, Mr. Bush, and Mr. Cheney, two men who are now perilous to our Democracy, away from its helm.

For you, Mr. Bush, and for Mr. Cheney, there is a lesser task. You need merely achieve a very low threshold indeed. Display just that iota of patriotism which Richard Nixon showed, on August 9th, 1974.

Resign.

And give us someone—anyone—about whom all of us might yet be able to quote John Wayne, and say, "I didn't vote for him, but he's my president, and I hope he does a good job."

© 2007 MSNBC Interactive
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19588942/page/3/

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 02:01 AM

The White House is like a sewer; what you get out of it depends on what you put into it!

Happy day, former Colonists!! *BG*

And forgive me for paraphrasing Tom Lehrer, it seemed ... apt.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: gnu
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 07:14 AM

Have a pleasant day.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 07:50 AM

If you really think you're independent try closing the seven openings in your head.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: cookster
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 10:17 AM

What openings?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 01:25 PM

I guess it would be mouth, eyes, nostrils, and ears. Bobad?

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 04:55 PM

Yes, that would add up to seven on most people. It's a comment on independence I recall from "Be Here Now" by Baba Ram Dass, the lesson being that independence is illusory we are all interdependent.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 05:02 PM

Yes, we are. And we are all dependent on the beneficence of Nature (or call it God if you want). We depend on air to breathe, fresh water, a source of food and shelter, and the company and assistance of our fellow humans in a great variety of ways.

This is also true of nations, and they would do well to remember it. They need each other.

Life is always a compromise between the desire for total independence and the inevitability of interdependence.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Uncle Boko
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 05:05 PM

Bush always lives up to our low expectations!

He's "nukular man"!!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Peace
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 05:05 PM

Richard Alpert.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: bobad
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 05:15 PM

Who along with Tim Leary was instumental in popularizing LSD in our culture.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: greg stephens
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 06:24 PM

Well done, ex-colonials. Apart from forgetting how to spell a lot of well-known words, you seem to have done jolly well for yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Azizi
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 06:29 PM

Hmmm.

greg stephens, see this post that I posted before I read your post:

Subject: RE: .
From: Azizi - PM
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 06:26 PM

Well, they say that all's well that ends well.

But, that may depend on what the meaning of "well" is.

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Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 08:49 PM

"Nukular Man"! A superhero for our times. Should make a great movie series, shouldn't it?

Want to see a really cool impression of Nukular Man in action? Go here...

Nukular Man says it like it oughta be...

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Jul 07 - 10:33 PM

Thanks, LH! Love that!

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 01:51 AM

Fireworks (1)

Fireworks (2)

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 09:32 AM

I thought Richard Alpert played with the Tijuana Brass.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: goatfell
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 10:09 AM

I hope you all had a great day yesterday, I just wish the Scots, Welsh and the Northern Irish all had independence days as well.

English Home rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Midchuck
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 11:46 AM

...and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

So much for political correctness in '76. I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to edit the Dec. of Ind.

Peter.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 11:49 AM

Midchuck, that was political correctness in 1776.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Midchuck
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 12:11 PM

My point exactly - if I had a point - which is always a matter for debate in and of itself.

P.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 12:56 PM

Wow! Those fireworks are fun. You can really do them in a rapid fire mode too.

Subject: RE: BS: Happy Independence Day!
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Jul 07 - 01:07 PM

They are fun. Thanks, SRS!