BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: Rasener
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 01:58 PM

Bloody hell just did 200. never did that before.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 04:48 PM

...who will use a pub regularly are the people who are creatures of habit, to that end, most of them are smokers

How many times does it nweed to be pointed out - they aren't!!

No doubt there are some pubs where smokers were in the majority,but in the vast majority of pubs smokers were a minority, very often a tiny minority. And that included regulars.

If people are staying away from pubs, the two main reasons for that would be that most pubs have such a high mark up on beer compared to supermarkets, and that there is so much more awareness of the dangers of driving after having had a few.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Sep 07 - 09:49 PM

the new law did not go far enough..

ther are not enough local council 'anti smoker police' to patrol every pub..

bar staff in busy weekend pubs are too overworked to look out
for every dark corner in big popular pubs..


so..


its only reasonable that if we see some cheeky little drunk smoker c@ny
deliberately flauting the law
hinding his fag in his shirt
taking sly puffs
smirking for the applause from mates for his naughty brave public protest..

well.. its only reasonable we nice people
can tip his pint over his head
to extinguish his poisonous fun
and then get away with impunity free from prosecution
after the ensuing punch up...


sems fair to me..

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 09:33 AM

Village pubs have been closing for years, with or without a smoking ban. My son ran one in Hertfordshire and was fighting not only the brewery who wanted to sell the land, but the competition from the local cricket club and the nearest town. Smoking didn't come into the equation.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: Girl Friday
Date: 22 Sep 07 - 01:17 PM

I go to a pub in Essex that has a Folk Club most Sundays. Though it aspires to be a music pub, its main form of entertainment is big screen(several)football. The only refuge from the music and the football WAS!!!! the garden. Now they are broadcating the football in the garden FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SMOKERS!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: Faith87
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 06:39 AM

I can be alot more surly and rude than I was. Trust me. and I'm sure I did state that it wasnt just my pub, it was the entire town. just watching people walk past and there is a significantly lower people out in the town than there was before.

But I do have to agree with the comment about the price of beer.
I sell a pint of Fosters for £2:50, with a half being exactly half of that, £1:25.
But, walk down the street and theres a pub that sells the same beer, in the same quantaties for £2:70. Also alot of places, I have found, will sell halves for more than half the price of the pint, so the more halves a customer has, the more they are paying than if they were drinking pints.
Also I sell a bottle of VK for £1:90. Go to the same pub as above and they will cost you £2:20.
The price of alcohol in general is getting disgusting. I do agree that this SHOULD be lowered. but because the government are trying to get people to stop smoking, therefore loosing out on tax's from people buying cigarettes, they do seem to be punishing the drinkers in general with horedous beer prices. This seems terrably unfair.

Also, I have thought of another pro to this smoking ban, (we thought of this while out side having a cigarette a couple of weeks back haha) You do get to speak to people that you never would usually think of speaking to. But like I said I can see pros and cons of its.

And as someone mentioned earlier about bar staff prefering it, while I'm working yes it IS slighty better. The tables arent a mess and you havent got ash all over where you keep the ashtray bin. I'm just worried for the industry that I work in, thats all.
Does that make me such a "bad" person?

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 06:43 AM

No it doesn't Faith, but I do think that, given time, it will level off and start building up again. People will miss the pub, after all if getting away from the wife is the apparent main aim of going to the pub, drinking at home doesn't achieve that objective ;-)
G

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: Faith87
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 06:52 AM

Oh and I ment to add.. Whetherspoons? Non smoking? Ewer? Then the ones near me were all breaking their big bad rules lol. You could smoke in all three of the ones I frequent untill the national smoking ban :S

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 07:09 AM

Being worried for the industry you work in does not make you a bad person. Your habit however, at best, did stop people going into certain pubs and, at worst, killed people. Trying to justify that as concern for the 'industry' does make you seem a hypocite. How can you care for one set of people yet happily ignore the wishes of the majority?

Besides that I still say that pubs that relied on smokers for their trade were too short sighted to survive anyway.

Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 07:46 AM

Jesus-H-Christ, been in hospital for a week or two and come out to find this old bolleaux still being trotted out by the addicts.

It's happened. Get over it. Move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Smoking ban closing pubs, it's started!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Sep 07 - 07:58 AM

I assume someone's doing research on all this. Everything gets researched. I suspect that pubs and towns where the pub trade is suffering particularly because of the new situation in the way Faith described are a minority, and that it'll be pretty transient.

Smoking is a pretty strong habit form the minority whom smoke - but so is going to pubs.