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From: Peace
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 09:27 AM

"a 91 IQ"

How did you print that number upside down?

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: GUEST,Hitlary '08
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 09:25 AM

As soon as you put Bush's face on the problem, you've been neutralized. Bush is not the problem. The man has a 91 IQ. Besides, Cheney is the hawk in this scenario. Or chickenhawk.

And regarding neocons, do any of you know what a neocon is? A lot of them are Democrat. Do you know that? They're supporting the run-up to a war with Iran.

We have one party at the national level of power, and a couple of years from now it may have Hillary Clinton as its head. Will you hate her as much as you hate Bush?

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Peace
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 09:21 AM

What has to be measured is the threat posed by Iran. People who think Iran is not a threat are delusional. Their posture is anything but defensive. There is nothing at all defensive about ordnance. It is retaliatory. Or offensive, depending on the leadership. Iran's leadership is as crazy as America's. God bless.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Big Phil
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 03:28 AM

Bush, if not from a wealthy, well connected family would be sweeping the streets for a living, how the good folk of the USA elected him to the TOP job amazes me. I do not think even Bush with his limited intelligence would invade/nuke Iran, not after the debacle of Iraq..

"The next president is likely to be Hillary the hawk" well then do not vote for her, or any of her cohorts.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 02:03 AM

Pease don't presonalise this too much.

Remember, the next president is likely to be Hillary the Hawk (Dem).
She has already designated Iran as "Terrorist"

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:24 AM

SRS is correct. You want "logic" when discussing a madman?

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:19 AM

You're not offering "facts," you're offering opinion. You're suggesting he'll follow the law and listen to the Congress. We're telling you that he hasn't so far, so why should he start now? Drop the labels, pal, and open your eyes.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: katlaughing
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:19 AM

Worrying won't do anything but ruin your health. Instead make damn sure your congresspeople KNOW how YOU feel about Iran, etc. Then make sure others know, be as outspoken as you can.

And, for those of you believe in the power of thoughts/prayers/etc. please light those candles, give thanks, believe and ditch the negative. This poor old world has enough negative vibes being sent out to scare and paralyse people. Send out positive instead. Remember:

Never underestimate the power of a few committed people to change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead

And there is that old saw, "It's better to light one candle than to curse the darkness."

In my belief system, I consider it my duty to give over my will to the Great Spirit/Cosmic and to align myself with positive thoughts, words, and actions which culminate in giving Thanks for this or something better for the highest good of all concerned. I offer this as an example NOT as something anyone should do unless it is their choice.

With all good wishes for Peace Profound,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:17 AM

How many of you are so far on the, to coin a phrase, "loony Left" that you believe your nemesis has no instinct for self-preservation?

Or do you just enjoy absurd speculation?

I think I've made my views on Mr. Bush clear by now--not exactly his #1 fan.

If however, anybody has any actual facts to contradict mine, I'd like to hear them. And a bit of logic would also be nice.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:05 AM

Don't worry--Bush is not about to invade Iran. Because this time he will need a real declaration of war--and from this Congress, he won't get it. . .

You're delusional. We're all worried. It isn't going away--you know perfectly well that this man will lie and cheat to get to do what he wants. Period.

Be very worried.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Ron Davies
Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:01 AM

Don't worry--Bush is not about to invade Iran. Because this time he will need a real declaration of war--and from this Congress, he won't get it.

And even he knows that without a declaration of war, an attack by his regime will be a shortcut being the first president to be impeached and convicted--and therefore removed. Which may not be the place in history he was angling for.

And his own military is telling him that there will be no such thing as a surgical strike that would erase Iran's nuclear capacity--since the sites are widely scattered.

And on top of that, there would be certain retaliation from Iran--and just look at the boundary with Iraq. 160,000 American soldiers would be in jeopardy--to say the least. Not easy for him to explain the number of body bags suddenly coming from Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Beer
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 11:37 PM

Bush doesn't have a clue what is happening outside his head space. And because Iraq's invasion has failed he would want to nuke Iran. After all, he wants to go out leaving a mark on mankind. In his bed at night he is smiling at the wonders he has done so far because he doesn't hear his peoples cries. However his grin turns to a frown as he is trying to sleep because he wants to wipe the grin off the same fellow who is grinning back at him. So what is the quickest way to make the prick in Iran frown or disappear? Nuke them all and a few surrounding Countries that may be in the way.
Bobert..........I hope you are wrong as well. But how is this insane man in Iran going to be stopped?
Let me pose this question that has no answer.
If all countries outside the United Stated were at peace, would the U.S. look to start a war?
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 11:35 PM

At present, their range is definitely self-defense. If an attack by U.S. forces should occur, Iran will probably import far-ranging missles from Korea. Do you blame them?

I'd say they are doing a pretty good job of protecting themselves and cannot imagine any country going down without a fight.

War with Iran is totally unnecessary.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 11:10 PM

There's a good opinion piece at AlterNet.

Here's hte last bit from it:

The people of Iran, leading democracy advocates and even conservative Iranian-American exile groups oppose an attack. They understand that U.S. bombs falling on Tehran will only rally people behind the current government.

In an open letter to the United Nations, former political prisoner and Iranian opposition leader Akbar Ganji wrote, "Even speaking about the possibility of a military attack on Iran makes things extremely difficult for human rights and pro-democracy activists in Iran. No Iranian wants to see what happened to Iraq or Afghanistan repeated in Iran."

I don't know with certainty if the United States will attack Iran. It is possible that the Bush administration is ratcheting up militarist rhetoric in order to intimidate European allies into tightening economic sanctions against Iran.

And the decision whether to bomb Iran depends, in part, on actions by the American people. Now is the time to let your national and local politicians know that we don't need another human disaster in the Middle East. Code Pink is organizing a national campaign to get local city councils to pass resolutions against attacks on Iran. Now is the time for anti-war demonstrations around the issues of both Iraq and Iran.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 11:04 PM

I still say, let France do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 10:46 PM

Thanks. I'm gonna go home and TOSS and TURN.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 10:42 PM

How about this?

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 10:40 PM

You want scary???

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 10:16 PM

That's a good question, and one that has to be answered also. I know the US is lookin' out for #1, but so's Iran, and the Iranian leadership is as fu#kin' crazy as shit house rats. Their religious leaders are wacko. (I don't give a shit that other religious leaders are also wacko. The Pope might be nuts, but he don't have nukes. Iran does (or will very soon). So before y'all jump on my ol' pal with whom I've had more arguments than a horse has hairs, give what he said a good think. Iran is VERY scary, because they are CRAZY!

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 09:45 PM

The question I have is, Can Iran be stopped before they start a global thermonuclear war?

It does not look like the Europeans have had much success, and even France seems to be aware that the IRBMs that Iran already has can reach it...

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 09:40 PM

Which still leaves the question, would they be able to stop him? And how?

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: bobad
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 09:39 PM

France is sounding uncharacteristically belligerent in regards Iran lately.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 09:35 PM

He wouldn't have anyone, including the American people, with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 09:34 PM

And he wouldn't have the UK with him this time.

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Art Thieme
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 09:34 PM

Bobert,
Seymour Hirsch, who I respect and tend to believe, said the same thing in a recent article---in the New Yorker I believe it was. And he reiterated it on NPR yesterday. Once again, the feeling of helplessness in the face of the ongoing travesties perpetuated by this administration is overwhelming.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Peace
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 09:25 PM

The US ain't got the legs to invade Iran. Period.

(Bomb the shit out of it, yes, but invade? Nope!)

Subject: BS: Can Bush Be Stopped from Invading...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Oct 07 - 09:06 PM

...Iran???

Looks as if all the plans are on the desks... All the meeting have occured... Everything is in place... All the rationales have been put together...

Yes, Bush very much wants to invade Iran... His war team has now changed its story on Iran to Iran being part of this overall nebulous "war on terrorism" and Bush thinks that the Resolution that Congress passed now gives him the freedom to attack anyone who he thinks might be aiding the Iraqi insurgents...

What bothers me4 is what I have just written... Yes, folks, make no bones about it... Bush and his neocons want to attack Iran while Bush is still in office and I firmly believe they are going to do everything in their power over the coming months to try to sell an Iran invasion to the American people...

I would so love to be wrong here but given the noise coming outta the Bush administration and given Bush's own happy trigger finger I'm very much concerned that Bush is going to do it, probably late winter or early spring and say he had the authorization from the resolution that Congress gave him to invade Iraq...

Oh, how I hope I'm wrong on this one but, deep in my bones, I don't think Bush has a clue just how much he has allready messed up and thus is ready to continue down this nightmarish dead end path...

Your thoughts???

Can he be stopped???

Bobert