BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 04:52 AM

Chaser charges dropped!

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 01:15 AM

'The former One Nation leader spent 11 weeks in jail in 2003 for electoral fraud before her conviction was overturned on appeal and she was released.'

    'Today, her newly formed party received $202,440 from the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) on the strength of its performance in the 2007 federal election.'

And now there's an investigation into where the latest lot of money from the AEC has got to; apparently it's in an account that it shouldn't be in. Could she be a slow learner?

And, for those of you interested in the Chaser team's test of APEC security in Sydney last year, the charges against them were dropped.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 03:54 PM

"are you as cynical as us?"


                  Yeah! Check out the election stolen in Ohio thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Dec 07 - 04:49 AM

I'm NOT making this up, honest!


Nats MP wants One Nation in Coalition
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22949633-29277,00.html?from=public_rss

By Gabrielle Dunlevy

December 19, 2007 06:45pm
Article from: AAP

A NORTH Queensland Nationals MP says One Nation and Family First should be drawn into any merger of the state Coalition.

Mirani MP Ted Malone said the conservative parties must join forces in order to have any chance of winning government at the next election.

Mr Malone said a merger of the Liberal and National parties could serve to split the conservative vote among people who felt left behind.

"All that will happen is we will leave behind some of the conservative voters in Queensland to support other parties that will ultimately divide the vote," he said.

Mr Malone said the parties could work well together, despite their differences.

"These groups of people would actually be a lot closer than the people who represent the Labor party," he said.

"The gambit and spread of policies and interest groups in that segment of our community would be far wider than it would be under a situation where we are representing all conservative forces."

The federal Nationals joined the Liberals last week in announcing a review into their poor electoral performance, while preliminary discussions are underway in Queensland to form a single conservative force.

Federal Nationals leader Warren Truss called on the conservative parties to explore the option of merging, but said a national merger was a "big ask".

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 07:21 PM

are you as cynical as us?

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 04:24 PM

'The former One Nation leader spent 11 weeks in jail in 2003 for electoral fraud before her conviction was overturned on appeal and she was released.'

    'Today, her newly formed party received $202,440 from the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) on the strength of its performance in the 2007 federal election.'



                           That'll teach 'em to throw her in jail!

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 10:10 AM

I've just set up a photo website for my folk club & included a set of pics on the election.

Election results Nov 24th @ The Dog

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Dec 07 - 05:35 AM

I don't know if this will help our US friends understand our Aussie election porcess at all...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hanson gets $200,000 electoral windfall
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22944612-29277,00.html?from=public_rss

By Kate Corbett

December 18, 2007 07:25pm
Article from: AAP

PAULINE Hanson's United Australia Party has secured more than $200,000 in electoral funding, despite neither of its candidates getting into Federal Parliament.

In August, Ms Hanson angrily rejected suggestions she was running for Parliament just to raise money for herself.

The former One Nation leader spent 11 weeks in jail in 2003 for electoral fraud before her conviction was overturned on appeal and she was released.

Today, her newly formed party received $202,440 from the Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) on the strength of its performance in the 2007 federal election.

Candidates and political parties are eligible for AEC funding if they receive at least four per cent of formal first-preference votes in a federal poll.

That means not only winners receive the money, and candidates like Ms Hanson can still benefit.

The payment comes in two stages.

The first payment, issued 20 days after the election, accounts for 95 per cent of the total amount.

The remainder is paid after all voting is finalised.

In the first round of payments, seven parties and 15 independent candidates have received payments, adding up to a total of $46.54 million.

As expected, the Australian Labor Party earned the biggest payment - $20.9 million, while the Liberals received $17.2 million, the Australian Greens $4.1 million, and the Nationals $3 million.

Among the independents, senator Nick Xenophon received the highest payment of $296,627, almost triple that of Tony Windsor who received the second biggest amount of $105,217.

At the 2004 federal election, the AEC paid out $41.9 million to 10 parties and 15 independent candidates.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 07:50 AM

ohh, the email wasn't down! Good thing, cos I forgot to call.

hello, Dale

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 05:01 AM

"It only looks easy when it works. Most go in the bin."

:-) - you can see what got thru the mill from me in the last few years - the only ones worth keeping have been posted here... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: GUEST,Dale
Date: 16 Dec 07 - 03:47 AM

'Always scribbling Mr Gibbons' as George 111 said to the writer of centuries of English history tome. So John is writing lots about current activities of pollies, but many only get a verse or to and are rejected...you should try writing a song or tow youraelf. It only looks easy when it works. Most go in the bin.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 07:26 AM

Oh, yes he was, John - mighty in his own estimation!

Which is why the gods (aka. the Bennelong electorate) brought him down.

Robin - I've passed on your request to John, tho as "The email is down" (Shiny Bum song) when I saw John & Dale on Tuesday I dunno if they will get it immediately, so I'll call tomorrow.

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 05:09 AM

Oh John, but he was a mighty bast....

What with Rudd in Bali, I wonder if we can persuade the inimitable Mr Dengate to do a parody on that good old song with the chorus "I been to Bali too!"... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: John O'L
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 01:30 AM

"How the mighty have fallen?"

Howard was never mighty, Sandra. Not even close.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Dec 07 - 12:30 AM

Labor, Coalition win Qld senate seats
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22918793-29277,00.html?from=public_rss

December 13, 2007 03:16pm
Article from: AAP

Labor and the Coalition will have three senators each in Queensland after the close of the count today.

Australian Electoral Commission (AEC) state manager Anne Bright said the count, which was scrutinised by representatives for the candidates and parties, was completed today.

Sitting Labor senators John Hogg and Claire Moore were returned, with new ALP candidate Mark Furner securing the third seat.

Sitting Liberal Party senators Ian Macdonald and Sue Boyce were returned, as was veteran Nationals senator Ron Boswell.

Australian Democrats deputy leader Andrew Bartlett lost his seat.

The Senate will sit in its existing form until June 30 next year.
~~~~~~~~

So that's a tie here in this state...

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 12 Dec 07 - 06:57 PM

not having a TV I miss sooooo much. And I can't even find it on ABC NEWS site!

I did find a mention on the Sydney Morning Herald site - just a link from a story about results declared. But no picture.

How the mighty have fallen? .... dust in the wind, all they are is dust in the wind ...

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 12 Dec 07 - 04:41 PM

The declaration of the poll for the seat of Bennelong was yesterday and the televised images of Howard at the end of the formal part of his public life showed a smile that would be better described as a rictus. "Not happy John" was definitely not a good loser.

Cheers. Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 12 Dec 07 - 08:52 AM

Tonight a friend was showing us pics of his recent trip to Egypt (so much better to see pics of Sphinx, temples, tombs etc. taken by a friend than seeing the same in a book).

Eetting back to topic, he was in Cairo on election night & was watching Al-Jazeera (the English language version, naturally!!) & saw excellent coverage & commentary on the election.

I had a quick squizz on their website & found 58 references to Kevin Rudd & 270 to John Howard.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Dec 07 - 05:33 AM

"Right wins over wrong!"

Shouldn't that be "Left"?   :-P


BTW, it seems to have missed most people's notice what happened when Labour last won in 1929 - just a few weeks later - can you spell "Wall Street Crash"?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: rich-joy
Date: 06 Dec 07 - 03:28 AM

Just received this latest from Dale Dengate (esteemed wife of afore-mentioned Oz icon, John!) :

MAXINE, THE MAGNIFICENT
TUNE: Men of Harlech.

Maxine Mc Kew you are saluted
That's a fact that's undisputed.
Howard's career you really rooted –
That is worth a song.
Maxine, you are blithe and bonny;
What a job you did on Johnny
After all the years, he's gone, he's gone, he
Lost in Benelong.

Chorus repeated as coda at end
Howard, the little, Nero,
Fell before our hero
Liberals wept when in you swept
And now our ranks are wallowing in beer, oh,
Maxine, where have you been?
Thank heavens you at last came on the scene,
Oh, how the Torries vent their spleen –
They're down where they belong!

Johnny's ego you've deflated
How we cheered and celebrated
Such excitement you've created –
Maxine, you're the one!
Pour the beer, uncork the wine,
On porterhouse and spuds we'll dine
For not since 1929
Has such a thing been done.

Maxine, you're a wonder,
A legend now down under
The odious pong in Benelong
Is buried underneath the town rotunda.
Since you powered over Howard
Christmas bush has bloomed and gardens flowered-
Liberals hid in holes and cowered;
Right wins over wrong!

c. JOHN DENGATE November, 2007


Apparently Dale's corrected some typos from the original version, so I'll re-post this one :

ADIEU JOHN
TUNE: Cockles and Mussels

First verse and chorus:
H e lost the election, he suffered rejection
The polling booths ran with the Liberals' blood
His grip has been broken, the people have spoken
So cry, John, good bye, John…
We'll try Kevin Rudd.

As fast as you please, John, hand over the keys, John,
Be on your way and don't loiter my son.
Off through the back gate, for you've got the sack, mate…
Adieu, John, shoot through, John,
Your day it is done.

Your ego's diminished, your tenure is finished
So best find a pub and sneak in and get pissed.
Drink yourself silly far from Kirribilli –
Yes sob, John, your job's gone
And you won't be missed.

You cheated and blustered, you could not be trusted
You pushed us too far with your devious lies,
You're finished, you're dead , mate, so cover your head, mate
Go, John, lie low, John
Assume a disguise.

H e lost the election, he suffered rejection
The polling booths ran with the Liberals' blood
His grip has been broken, the people have spoken
So cry, John, good bye, John…
We'll try Kevin Rudd.

c. John Dengate


Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Dec 07 - 12:47 AM

Well, the Qld Liberals have sorted it all out....

The guy Tim whjo has been trying for over 12 months to become leader, has now become deputy leader, and has promised not to challenge till after the next state election...

Things had reached such a state yesterday that the 8 members were told that if they did not sort it out, names would be put in an hat and one drawn at random to become leader.

I'm not making this up you know!

Someone was creul enough to go on camera and say that if Tim won, he would be forever known as "Toss-Up-Tim" (instead of what he - and the Qld Liberals are generally known - as "Tosser-Tim").... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 05:07 PM

Rowan,

          Thanks, I'll make a note of all of that.

b

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 04:52 PM

Croweaters! How could I forget South Australians like that.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 04:29 PM

Sandgropers are Western Australians.

In the same vein,
Queenslanders are bananbenders
New South Welshers are cornstalkers ("Cornstalk" is the mag of the NSW Folk Fed.)
Victorians are cabbagepatchers
Tasmanians are various things but I prefer Taswegians and Vandemonians
South Australians are often forgotten, partly because their boundaries kept shifting and because they administered everything we now call the NT, and
all this stuff started when there weren't enough people in the Northern Territory to take into consideration and the ACT didn't exist.

Those from NT call themselves Territorians (their unwillingness to lose the term will probably mean they will never achieve statehood, because "Territory" is a jurisdictional category "lower than" a State. North of Elliot (a dot alongside the Stuart Hwy roughly half way between Alice and Tennant Ck, most call themselves Top Enders whether they come from the Territory, the northern part of WA or FNQ (Queensland, from Townsville north); if you get half a chance, try and get to the Top End Folk Festival.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 11:11 AM

Is there a standard definition for - sandgroper?

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: rich-joy
Date: 05 Dec 07 - 04:26 AM

"I think you meant that sandgropers are successful generally but they've never managed to succeed in seceding. Secession is rarely musical but Perth has excellent sessions."

damn ... I always meant to go and check that spelling before pressing the old submit button (too much sand in the brain gears!!!)
LOL!

R-J

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Bugsy
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 07:24 PM

Actually, Allan in Oz, Noel Coward was asked to say something in Australian. he said "KANGARROOO"

Cheers

Bugsy

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 04:26 PM

G'day Rich-Joy.

I think you meant that sandgropers are successful generally but they've never managed to succeed in seceding. Secession is rarely musical but Perth has excellent sessions.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: ad1943
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 03:05 PM

They once asked Noel Coward to say something funny and he said
" Australia"


Allen in Oz

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 07:29 AM

The Queensland Liberals did it again.

A real circus...

They held a 'secret' meeting in a Brisbane hotel, then wondered what all the reporters were outside for, and how did they know?

Unbeknown to them, Eric Idle had booked in to the same hotel to organise 'Spamalot' performances coming up....

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: rich-joy
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 01:33 AM

Woa there, Robin - be careful - I'm a Sandgroper!!!
Mind you, historically, WA has never really felt part of Australia (i.e. "the Eastern States") and has tried to succede three times, I think!!!
Anyway, it was mainly "colonised" to keep those pesky French from getting their hands on any of Oz - Developers and Entrepreneurs/manures and "upper class" Crims, have always played a big part of our history - even to this very day!!!!

Cheers! R-J

(who had Rellies on the ill-fated "Rockingham" (i.e. "Thomas Peel estaters") and also a Convict Rellie at the founding of Albany in 1826 and another Convict on board the "Corona" in 1866.
The last Convict vessel to WA was the "Hougoumont" in 1868, which also brought those infamous Fenians, who later escaped - thanks to the Yanks - on the Catalpa"!!!)

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 12:24 AM

Hey! I got the thread back on track too! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Dec 07 - 12:22 AM

Yep Bob, and as became evident durint the recent election, Western Austarlia is STILL 20 years behind the rest of AUstralia... :-)

From Robin in Queensland - the state once reputed to be (due to daylight saving) 100 years and one hour behind the rest of Australia, but the recent elections showed us now up in the 21st century - the 10 seats picked up in Qld anchored Rudd's victory - the swing in W.A. was much lower - even some swings TO Little Fascist Johnny - also reputed to be at least 20 years behind the rest of Australia - see "Work Choices" & "Global Warming" .... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 11:52 PM

G'day John O'L and Rowan,

For the most of Australia (the East Coast ... with Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria and Tasmania ... and most of the population) continued transportation was opposed vigorously throughout the 1840s ... and effectively ended very early in the 1850s ... or we would never have leaked the news of gold finds in the Bathurst - Hill End (Ophir Goldfield) area.

The much more recent immigrants in Western Australlia were happy to have convicts ... and utilised forced labour until the 1860s. If they had stumbled on the Kalgoorlie / Coolgardie goldfields a few decades earlier ... things may have been different!

Regards,

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: John O'L
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 10:54 PM

Not a correction Rowan, merely a clarification. I thought transportation was stopped in the 1840's, and I'm surprised to find it went on so much longer.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 09:16 PM

It's a good thing they aren't still doing it. Tony Blair could end up in Oz for war crimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 08:20 PM

Wasnt it Noel Coward , on an Australian tour , when asked at Immigration if he had any convictions enquired if it was still a requirement ?

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 07:37 PM

Thanks for that correction, John; my wits were elsewhere.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: John O'L
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 05:46 PM

From The National Archives

"Transportation was not formally abolished until 1868, but in practice it was effectively stopped in 1857, and had become increasingly unusual well before that date. During those 80 years 158,702 convicts arrived in Australia from England and Ireland, and 1321 from other parts of the Empire, making a total of 160,023 men and women transported. A good account of the transportation system is given in R Hughes, The Fatal Shore (London, 1987)."

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 05:34 PM

Sorry, Leadfingers.

Riginslinger, Bob Bolton (who has huge files at his fingertips) will probably correct me on this but my recollection is that deportation of convicts from Britain to Oz colonies ended in the late 1840s. Different colonies may have ended transportation at different times. Wikipedia might have some details but I am short of time just at the moment.

It certainly wasn't continued after gold was discovered in Oz in 1851, as Australia rapidly became regarded as a desirable place to get to by much of the British population; ships' crews deserted as soon as they reached port at Geelong, for example.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 05:20 PM

It definately said 99 when i posted !! Bugger !!

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 05:19 PM

100

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 05:15 PM

Okay, thanks. But let me ask the question in another way. When did the Brits quit dumping their political prisoners in Australia?

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 05:14 PM

And, within an hour of being sworn in as PM, Rudd had the paperwork for ratification of the Kyoto stff signed off by the GG.

Swift work!

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 04:50 PM

Riginslinger, the Poms have never really stopped coming; it's just that 62 yearts ago Australia was at the tail end of being the American launchpad for the military push to defeat Japan and the Poms here were a bit outnumbered.

And in the thread's title comments, Warren Truss is now the Leader of the National Party. With any luck, John Who? will fade into oblivion. Although I'll be interested to see how a little tradition gets played out.

Traditionally, ex Prime Ministers were offered a knighthood until the Labor Govt got rid of imperial honours and replaced them with the serried ranks of the Order of Australia. When the Coalition defeated the ALP in 1996, Paul Keating was offered one by John Howard but declined, on the grounds that as an elected representative he was only doing what was required of any such person and thus was not deserving of special reward for duty. He then went to ground and played no public part in politics apart from some defense against politically motivated attempts at calumny.

After polling day but while he thaought he still had a chance at retaining his seat, John Howard commented that he'd ultimately reture and not make any public contribution to politics "unlike previous ex Prime Ministers"; he may well have had Malcolm Fraser in mind rather than Paul Keating, though.

Given that comment, will Rudd offer Howard an AO? Will Howard accept, if offered it?

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 07:28 AM

That's interesting. I wonder when the POMS quit coming.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 02:25 AM

Now I'm bloody confused!

Johnny's seat - The "L" party - I'm NOT gonna bloody well spell it any more! got 28% primary vote in 2004, and 45% in 2007.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Stewie
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 12:24 AM

Ringinslinger, I referring only to the spelling - from F's posts, the poms might think we spell our Labor Party like their Labour Party.

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 12:13 AM

I've heard that it's Poms, Pommies... or Pommie Bastards for short!

Subject: RE: BS: Oz Prime Minister loses seat in election
From: Rowan
Date: 03 Dec 07 - 12:07 AM

There was a time, Riginslinger, when there were more Septic tanks here than Poms; ~62 years ago, from memory. But a few things have changed since then.

Cheers, Rowan