BS: Gay/Anti gay issue

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 07:45 AM

I used to have an Aunty Gaye.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 07:27 AM

Gfs, if you look back you'll note a conversation between Amos and Ake.

Ake, are you saying that Gays are more promiscuous than Heteros?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 06:53 AM

Amos, are you talking to me, or cross referencing to another poster? Better scroll down and re-read who you wish to address.
Gee, I said that without even throwing a jab at ya'!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Amos
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 01:26 AM

GtS:

You're painting in broad strokes indeed and claiming a vector which is not causally related. Why should homosexuality spread AIDs more rapidly than heterosexuality?
Show me the numbers, if you would be so kind.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 01:14 AM

Thanks!..Hey, You'll LOVE this stuff!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: meself
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 01:04 AM

Looking forward to it - good luck!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 12:54 AM

Hey, meself, Thanks!...I'm ok...actually getting ready to record something I've been working on for some time. I may post it, but I'm already getting some indications to get airplay for it, again. When I do, I'll give you a shout!
Warmest Regards!
The Sane one!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: meself
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 12:33 AM

Yeah, okay - just don't let yourself disintegrate along with everything else, that's all ...

All the best,
'self

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 12:16 AM

Yeah, I guess I'm getting a little pissed off, at what is going on....being as the 'level headedness' I seemed to have during the campaign, and the reasons I gave about the elections, are being replaced with watching about everything I said, then, is coming true, before our eyes...and having to deal with some really moronic posts, that blindly, with much denial, go onto keep thinking this guy is some sort of messianic pop icon! I am watching my country, sadly, disintegrate in front of my eyes! Sorry if I seem 'upset'.
Regards, GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: meself
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 12:09 AM

Guest from Sanity, I'm getting a little concerned about you - seriously. Back during the build-up to the US election, your posts, although contrarian, seemed rational, and not overly emotional. Lately though, your posts have a wild tone and are teetering on the borderline of incoherence - at times slipping over. What's going on?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 10:10 PM

Gender orientation?????(that must be one of those 'politically correct' terms, made popular by the Clinton administration)...Have a cigar??

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 10:07 PM

Guest from the Padded Cell, if you're under the impression that there is any relationship between gender orientation and intellectual acuity, you're just not living in the real world.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 09:14 PM

Gosh TIA, I guess you still can't read or understand a complete thought!...Here's the complete text....."...just ask, Barney Frank,..and listen to all his completely immature assessments, and 'remedies' of the current financial mess we're in! Bush, was not much better, and both parties are pandering to the public with lies, to hide their corrupt dealings..on both sides of the aisle. If this is not already patently obvious to you now, then stick your heads back into the sand, or whatever bodily orifice, convenient to your reach, and 'discuss' your views, to whatever part of your brain, you may find there!!..." So, be my guest!
As sp far as Amos, I don't get bent, when this subject is brought up..do you get hard???

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: meself
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 08:25 PM

So - what - we outlaw "the practice of homosexuality"?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 06:30 PM

Amos the ones who are bent out of shape in my opinion, are those who who refuse to admit that the practice of homosexuality is a serious health risk.

Why is it that in every country the first aids diagnoses have been among the homosexual community,before transfering to heterosexuals?
Why no aids transmission between lesbians?
Seems to me that the male homosexual act allied to the promiscuous lifestyle conducted by many homosexuals could be the trigger for the disease. Normal penetrative hetero-sex is very unlikely to cause internal injury to a woman, but penetrative sex between two men is very likely to, as the anus is not designed to tolerate sexual intercourse or childbirth.

The figures are easily obtainable on the web and if these figures don't give you or others here pause for thought then you are certainly "bent out of shape"

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 03:30 PM

..And if you think that being a homosexual, doesn't cloud your perceptions, just ask, Barney Frank,..and listen to all his completely immature assessments, and 'remedies' of the current financial mess we're in! Bush, was not much better...

Are you saying that Bush's perceptions were clouded by his hom....


nevermind.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 02:54 PM

And if you think that being a homosexual, doesn't cloud your perceptions, just ask, Barney Frank,..and listen to all his completely immature assessments, and 'remedies' of the current financial mess we're in!...Guest from Sanity

Gosh, Guest, you certainly express yourself manfully! My heart is all a-flutter. Do you want to go camping?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Amos
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 11:17 AM

It strikes me as really odd that AKe and WHoozy-from-Wherever, usually intelligen6t and open-minded and compassionate people, get so bent out of shape when this issue is raised.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Azizi
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 11:12 AM

I'm posting a link to a current Mudcat thread for those who may want to read and/or add to a serious discussion about the topic of homosexuality:

Homophobia In Children's Playground Rhymes

Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 10:40 AM

I'm trying to match my caricature of an outlaw with my caricature of a gay man and I've come up with a guy in leather chaps with a moustache and a peaked cap ...

... I'm not sure about the "outlaw" tag in relation to homosexuals - a load of leather posers squabbling over a vespa just doesn't seem to sit comfortably beside jesse james and ned kelly ... and I can't say that jesse james and ned kelly look too comfortable either ...



As for snuff ... take care ... it's nothing to sneeze at ....

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 10:32 AM

We don't quite agree there akenaton. I see smoking in pubs as an intrusion on the rights of other pub users, in the same way as I see "cottaging" as an intrusion on the rights of people wishing to use the loos for the purpose for which they were installed. A ban on such activities is a reasonable restriction of the liberties of some people in defence of the liberties of other people.

But I can envisage a future in which further restrictions on smokers, and even attempts at prohibition - which would be a curtailment opf human rights - could give smoking the kind of outlaw lifestyle image that gay sex and dope smoking has has imposed on it. Which probably serves to promote the activities involved.

In contrast - when did you last hear anyone waxing apoplectic about the evils of snuff-taking? And how many times in the p[ast month have you seen anyeone taking snuff

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 02:54 AM

Well I for one say thank you Amos. I hadn't heard of this news & I'm delighted to see that, again the Obama team has righted another wrong.
I'm very please with tis action taken on be the Government & don't really care where I heard about it, i just glad that I came across it.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 02:14 AM

well, as usual,I find myself in agreement with Mcgrath.(sorry Kev)
The smoking analogy is persuasive, the difference being, that although both types of behaviour have been proved to be extremely damaging to personal and public health, only smokers have their "human rights" curtailed.

Sometimes I think posters open old threads, post new information, or skewed information to support whichever view they hold.
Certainly they never post anything new which is at variance with their opinions.

I suppose it's being a "respectable" troll really.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 12:05 AM

You mean the 'infomercial'?? .....(Must be warm and dark in there!)

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 11:24 PM

. . . and now back to our regular broadcast.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 10:49 PM

Don't get me started!! This issue is truly nonsense! All the proof in the world means nothing to those buffoons, who have their minds made up...no matter how asinine, their rap! Get politics out of our personal lives!....Sorry all you, who think the present administration, and the 'nanny state' control that is encroaching on us all, forcing their bullshit agendas, running us all broke..To share and 're-distribute the wealth'...I mean poverty, has a lot of you siding with the ridiculous. With absolutely no scientific proof, you cut and paste some already disproved 'study'(like global warming, and other issues)..and think you are getting somewhere, as to change reality.
..And if you think that being a homosexual, doesn't cloud your perceptions, just ask, Barney Frank,..and listen to all his completely immature assessments, and 'remedies' of the current financial mess we're in! Bush, was not much better, and both parties are pandering to the public with lies, to hide their corrupt dealings..on both sides of the aisle. If this is not already patently obvious to you now, then stick your heads back into the sand, or whatever bodily orifice, convenient to your reach, and 'discuss' your views, to whatever part of your brain, you may find there!!..Oh yeah, try to keep from getting too emotional about it, because most of the arguments out their, and on here, are emotionally driven, with little or no logic, truth, or mental soundness, whatsoever. ...Kumbayah!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 08:43 PM

Martina Navratilova summed it up beautifully in the recent "I'm a celebrity get me out of here" show on British TV, when she asked:

"Why the hell should anyone care whether or not my partner has a penis?"

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 05:00 PM

To avoid misunderstandings like that, it's probably a better idea to start a new thread, and if it seems appropriate, to put a link to the earlier thread in the opening post.
.............................

It seems to me there are a lot of analogies between being gay and being a smoker. Some people are, some people aren't, maybe its a matter of choice, maybe its a matter of DNA, either way it's their business, and nobody's got any right to hassle them for it.

Persecution just gives this kind of variance an artificial importance, as if whether someone is gay (or, increasingly, is a smoker) is the most important defining thing about them, rather than just being one among a myriad ways in which people vary in the way they behave.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Big Mick
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 04:15 PM

Amos, I think the nature of my comment wasn't clear. My point is that it is pretty damn silly, with all that is going on in the world, for people to sit and give any credence whatever to any fool that wants to debate such an issue. What the hell difference does, or should it, make whom someone sleeps with? Debating the why's of someones natural state is just so damn idiotic. We ought simply be getting rid of the barriers for folks to live in happy relationships.

The more I try to figure out how to say what's on my mind, the more confused it sounds......

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 03:05 PM

Sometimes I wonder about the wisdom of refreshing an old thread to post new information or opinions. Sure, it's supposed to conserve bandwidth, but some folks seem to lack the ability to look at the original date, realize it's a refreshed thread, and scroll down to the new stuff. Several people seem to have gotten all het up over this old thread when the only thing in it that's pertinent is Amos' post about the UN resolution decriminalizing homosexuality. The rest of it's old shit and is best left unstirred.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 12:30 PM

oh and one more thing .....





... 50 ...

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 12:29 PM

Oh and Mrrrzy ...

... I get it ... and in my opinion its campness combined with the fact that its just a play on words really makes it totally innocent ... no offence and no harm done.

If theres anything dark about it its the vegetable bit - and I reckon Bill is being playfully admonishing though I do not pretend to speak for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 12:24 PM

Doesn't bother me - it just serves as evidence of what an interesting lot you all are as you are not only able to maintain an interesting conversation from the scantest and vaguest prompt, but your answers and ideas are consistently interesting.

Funny how some people have opinions and others have agendas.

I don't mind agenda benders as long as they don't ram it down my throat.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Amos
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 12:06 PM

Big Phil's troll, back in 2007, is not the point. The point was that an important change in US policy has occurred. And Mick, although the hardware issues are more important, agreed, nevertheless, yes, it should be taken seriously, because it means a kind of tolerance has been advanced in the world.

If people were being burned in Persia for their color rather than their sexual orientation, I daresay it would seem pretty important, not so?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Wesley S
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 10:29 AM

We've been trolled folks. Big Phil hasn't even been back to the thread. One word "Opinions" is all we need to keep a tread afloat?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 08:55 AM

Yo!   Big Phil!

Blow me..........



Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 19 Mar 09 - 07:14 AM

Or even in the BLT community ...

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Big Mick
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 10:48 PM

Your economy is in shambles, there are kids working in sweatshops, the middle class family is headed for destruction, crime in the streets, robber barons are stealing whatever treasure that they haven't already destroyed, people are choosing between eating to stay alive and the medicines that keep them alive, the education system is imploding, there are fucking potholes everywhere.......


.... and I'm supposed to take this seriously????????

I wonder if there is a member out there in the GLBT community that could solve these problems for folks. We sure would appreciate it....

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 07:36 PM

Cute, Jereditor:-)

Bill, I agree. I don't find it funny at all, esp. with a gay family member.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:56 PM

That's not funny, Mrrzy

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:49 PM

Even a rational voice.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:35 PM

Is a gay guy in a coma a fruit or a vegetable?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:27 PM

The Gay stroke anti gay issue ...

... well they probably shouldn't without consent ...

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 05:08 PM

A rationale voice is a joy to behold.

Yes!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 09 - 04:40 PM


Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:21pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States, in a reversal of Bush administration policy, has decided to sign on to a U.N. declaration that calls for the decriminalization of homosexuality, the State Department said on Wednesday.

State Department spokesman Robert Wood said the Obama administration, which took office eight weeks ago, would now join 66 other U.N. member states who supported a U.N. statement in December that condemned human rights violations based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

"The United States is an outspoken defender of human rights and critic of human rights abuses around the world," Wood told reporters.

"As such, we join with other supporters of this statement, and we will continue to remind countries of the importance of respecting the human rights of all people in all appropriate international fora."

Gay rights groups immediately welcomed the move.

"The administration's leadership on this issue will be a powerful rebuke of an earlier Bush administration position that sought to deny the universal application of human rights protections to lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals," said Mark Bromley, who chairs the Council for Global Equality.

The U.N. General Assembly had been split over the issue of gay rights, with many Muslim countries refusing to sign on to the statement because of opposition to international attempts to legalize homosexuality.

A rival statement read out by Syria at the time gathered about 60 signatures from the 192-nation assembly.

The United States was the only western state not to sign on to the gay rights document. All European Union member states endorsed it, as did Canada, Australia and Japan.

'NO LEGAL OBLIGATIONS'

In a move that angered U.S. gay rights groups, the Bush administration argued that the broad framing of the language in the statement created conflict with U.S. laws.

The rationale was that favoring gay rights in a U.N. document might be interpreted as an attempt by the U.S. federal government to override individual states' rights on issues like gay marriage.

Pressed on this issue, Wood said a "careful" interagency review by the Obama administration found that signing on to the U.N. document "commits us to no legal obligations."

A rationale voice is a joy to behold.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 01:54 PM

I figure it'll work out like left-handedness, with only about 10% strongly in the minority, a whole bunch with tendencies in various directions, and slightly under half strongly straight.
I also think, with all the differences showing up in people's MRIs and other data, that studies should be split gynophile/androphile rather than male/female for biology, biochemistry, physiology etc...
How about opinions on that?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: Rasener
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 11:41 AM

Having Anal ised this thread, I have come to the conclusion that it is a load of are soles and is the troll the one that stopped the billy goat gruffs getting over the bridge?

Time to get Big Phil and put him in the Land Phil.

And is Gay, the song that Clifford T Ward made a hit with. Well I love that song.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 09:52 AM

well, lets see...Big Phil started a thread called Gay/anti gay issue with a one word statement: Opinions. No question mark. I asked shortly afterwards "And the issue upon which you would like opinions is?" Big Phil has not been back, and many people are answering an unknown question. Classic troll behavior, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: M.Ted
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 09:06 AM

Especially if it's not his.

Subject: RE: BS: Gay/Anti gay issue
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 07 - 07:57 AM

Never trust a policeman with a moustache.....:0(