BS: Voting for Hillary?

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 07:53 AM

"Did you think it was just about prayer, saints, priests, and ceremonies?"

                      Actually, LH, I thought it was all about buffoonery.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 09:52 PM

Nothing goes outside what is normally considered religious context, Rinslinger! ;-) Religion is supposed to be (and I mean in its own opinion it is) an all-embracing matter that applies to every possible circumstance and subject that can occur in life.

Did you think it was just about prayer, saints, priests, and ceremonies? By no means. It is also about morality, customs, business, money, philosophy, psychology, law, etc...

Only in a dictatorship that practices various forms of government-sponsored thought control are religious persons forbidden from publicly discussing whatever darned subject they want to.

(that dictatorship can, of course, be a religiously dominated one itself...or it might be an atheistically-dominated one as in Mao's China...or it might be any other possible combination of such values)

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 09:29 PM

Rig--

No, you are incorrect. I expect all sorts of slime in the campaign. But you are contributing nothing to the discussion that we didn't already know. (Situation normal)

And, as always, you are just about a perfect negative indicator--(hope you know what that means).

At any rate, it's interesting, since Hillary's support is growing by "leaps and bounds", that there seems to be precisely zero evidence of that. For instance, the Iowa results over the weekend--after the revelations about "God damn America" etc ,resulted in more support for Obama than for Hillary.   Gee, I wonder if the "leaps and bounds" isn't, as usual, your wonderfully fertile imagination.

Your fantasy life is really quite impressive.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 12:44 PM

"The very same issue came up with Bill and Hillary Clinton after the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Chelsea Clinton called Jesse Jackson and asked him to come give spiritual guidance to the family. He ultimately became the Clinton family's spiritual adviser, ministering to Hillary, Bill and Chelsea, and at Hillary's urging developed a special counseling relationship with their daughter. Shortly after the Lewinsky story broke Jackson met with the three Clintons at the White House. They reportedly prayed and hugged one another under Jackson's spiritual guidance.

The night before Bill Clinton was to testify before the grand jury about Monica Lewinsky, the president called Jackson and asked him to come watch the Super Bowl with him. At first Jackson begged off, citing a previous engagement, then heeded his wife's advice. According to Jackson "My wife said, 'your first obligation is ministerial. It is morally right.'" And he was later quoted as saying that "The relationship between a prophet and a president, the priest and the president is a sacred one." Jackson gave Hillary Clinton a framed photograph of himself with Chelsea, which Hillary Clinton hung in her bedroom.

The Clintons did not repudiate Jackson for his earlier comments about Jews, calling them "Hymie's" and referring to New York as "Hymietown." Nor did they repudiate him for recognizing the PLO or Yasser Arafat, or for embracing Arafat and Syrian Preisdent Hafez Assad, or for accepting Arab money for two of his organizations. (In fact, Hillary Clinton was roundly criticized by her New York constituents for embracing Arafat's wife at a meeting.)

Later it was revealed that while Jesse Jackson was acting as the Clinton's spiritual adviser during this troubled time, he was having an affair with a California State University professor Karin Stanford, a former staffer, and fathered her child. According to Stanford, Jackson tried to keep it quiet by asking her to sign a confidentiality agreement and by paying money to her from his charity organizations, hardly visiting the child at all. "An angry Stanford remarked later that "black religious leaders and congregations prayed for him (Jackson) and his 'family' but not for our daughter (Ashley) and me." She then said, "Coming at a time when (former) President Bill Clinton was being crucified for lying about his affair with a White House intern, my partner was praised by the media for his honesty."

I'm sure Hillary Clinton does not support Jackson's remarks about Jews, his relationship with the PLO or his having a child by a woman other than his wife. But clearly he was able to help her at a time, as she has admitted, of the greatest crisis of her life.

This is all by way of saying that one can get solace and support from others who are mortal and human and who make mistakes like everyone else. One can repudiate their behavior but not the people themselves."

(WaPo writer Sally Quinn)

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 11:31 PM

I will take from your comments, Ron, that you didn't expect the Republicans to try to paint Obama as a Muslim, in spite of the fact that they've already started doing that.

             And that you don't think the things Revernend Wright said go outside what is normally considered religious context.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 11:21 PM

Rig--

As CEO of Smears R Us, you are sworn to never give any evidence of your smears. I understand that.   But we also know how seriously to take the products of your Drivel Unlimited subsidiary, which you must think is a hot seller at this point.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 01:46 PM

"Why, by the way, are you supporting a religious test for public office, Rig?"


                   I'm not, really. I've said all along, though, that I thought religion was going to decide the outcome of this thing, and not race. At the time I was thinking that ethe horrible swiftboaters were going to pain Obama as a Muslim in the general election. It didn't occurr to me that other Democrats would try to paint him as a buffoon in the primary.

                   Frankly, I think the world would be a much better place if people would just recognize religion for what it is, in which case, I think it would simply go away.

                   Some of the things that Wright said go way outside of what is normally considered religious context, however.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 01:09 PM

Why, by the waym are you supporting a religious test for public office, Rig?

Don't like the Constitution>?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 01:08 PM

That is not really good news; and I am not sure it is even true.

Obama just picked up another clutch of delegates, increasing his lead.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 01:06 PM

The really good news is, since the preacher Wright's views have become televised, Hillary has been gaining by leaps and bounds in the polls. All the Clinton campaign needs to do now, is research what Wright has said over the last 20 years that Obama has been going there, and then leak it out over the course of the next 5 weeks until Pennsylvania votes.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 12:58 PM

AN analysis of Hillary's consensual posture on the Iraq War is of interest.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 12:15 AM

I don't think he's running. But Obama was having a long talk with him last week, I hear. D'ye think he'd go for Veep again?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 12:02 AM

Maybe it's time to reelect Al Gore. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 11:30 PM

Just thinking-wishous.

Geez this is getting to be a quagmire. It had been going on too long before the Iowa and New Hampshire events. Now it's torturous.

They all three went back to work in the senate today. Maybe they'll stay and work for a few weeks, let things blow over.

Nah.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:39 PM

But not perspicacious, mellifluous, or serendipitous?

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:33 PM

FOX news is of the opinion that she simply can't win from delegates and superdelegates combined.

Of course, her campaign staff are raising the notion that she could beat McCain and he could not, but I find that meretricious, myself.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:24 PM

OK then. Disregard it,

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:30 PM

The article doesn't seem to address my concept of xenophobia.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 06:30 PM

A series on Hillary and her Xenophobia which is of interest.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 12:49 PM

I think Hillary apologizing is just good sense. Obama did not hesitate to apoliogize for Smantha POwer's little slip.

I think up to a point the comparing and contrasting of these candidates is healthy, especially since one of them will be taking on the bestial backstabbers of the right wing, and their mindless runamok menials, the people who slather sarcasm and drool investive as a sunsittute for communication, and who think fear and hatred are jolly good fare for poltiical discourse.

But beyond that point, I share your concern that too much of the snipery and yappery of the media-inspired head-banging could put serious friction into the Democratic drivetrain.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 12:12 PM

Obama and Hillary. I think Howard Dean and Richardson and Al Gore and a bunch of party elders need to stop this food fight before these guys destroy themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 12:03 PM

Rig:

WHich "they" is that?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 11:15 AM

I don't think any of this is helpful. They are now engaged in a campaign to elect McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 11:07 AM

"
Text size – + Multiple mea culpas for Clinton
Email|Link|Comments (0) Posted by Foon Rhee, deputy national political editor March 13, 2008 10:21 AM
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa.

An unusually contrite Hillary Clinton apologized Wednesday night to leaders of 200 black community newspapers for any offense caused by her husband's comments comparing Barack Obama's victory in the South Carolina primary to Jesse Jackson's in 1984 and 1988 -- remarks widely criticized as belittling Obama's accomplishments.

Clinton told the National Newspaper Publishers Association that "I certainly do repudiate it and I regret deeply" remarks by Geraldine Ferraro, who caused an uproar by suggesting that Obama would not be where he is in the Democratic presidential race if he were a white man or a woman of any color. Ferraro, the first woman on a major party presidential ticket when she was the 1984 vice presidential nominee, stepped down from Clinton's national finance committee on Wednesday, but not before angrily accusing the Obama campaign of calling her racist.

And Clinton said she was sorry, on behalf of the entire federal government, for the mishandling of Hurricane Katrina. "I've said it publicly, and I say it privately: I apologize, and I am embarrassed that our government so mistreated our fellow citizens ... It was a national disgrace," she said, according to the Associated Press account of the meeting in Washington.

The black community newspapers are influential among African-American voters, a core constituency in the Democratic Party. Clinton enjoyed strong support from black voters in early polls last year, but after Obama won the Iowa caucuses in January and emerged as a serious contender, the vast majority of African-African voters have supported Obama in primaries and caucuses. In Mississippi on Tuesday, more than 90 percent voted for him, according to exit polls. "

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:03 AM

Tonight, as promised, Keith Olbermann attacked Senator Hillary Clinton in a ten-minute "Special Comment," saying that he was not endorsing Barack Obama but that "events insist" that he speak and stand against her "tepid response" to the controversial remarks of Geraldine Ferraro wherein she said that Obama wouldn't have been as successful if he were not black. Last night Olbermann decried the statements as "clearly racist"; tonight, he followed up with a doozy in which he accused her of "campaigning as if Barack Obama were the Democrat and you were the Republican." In so doing, said Olbermann — in letting the opportunity to forcefully oppose Ferraro's comments pass her by — Olbermann said that Clinton had "missed a critical opportunity to do what was right."




Geraldine Ferraro has stood by her comments and denied that they were racist, saying on "NBC Nightly News" tonight that they were response to a specific question about why this election was special, and saying that it was the Obama campaign that was playing "this type of a race card." (See related video here.)

Olbermann chose to frame his comment in terms of bad choices on the part of Senator Clinton, stopping short of calling her inherently racist, instead casting the matter in terms of her receiving bad advice from the "tone deaf" and "arrogant" members of her campaign ("they are killing your chances of becoming president...[and] slowly killing the chances for any democrat to become president"). He characterized Ferraro's remarks as "a blind accusation of sexism and dismissing Senator Obama's campaign as some equal opportunity stunt," and decried her comments both in this instance and historically, pointing to the "cheap, ignorant vile racism that underlines them."

He also blamed her advisers for not pushing her to repudiate those comments immediately — unlike the remark by Obama advisor Samantha Power, who had called Clinton a "monster" and who was "gone by sunrise" from the Obama campaign. Olbermann specifically fingered (but did not name) Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams, saying that instead of repudiating Ferraro's words — "words that should make any Democrat retch" — she was instead "letting her campaign manager bend them beyond all recognition into Sentaor Obama's fault...thus giving Ferraro nearly a week to [send the dialogue] back into the vocabulary of David Duke."

"Do you not see, Senator?" Olbermann asked. "Senator Clinton, this is not a campaign strategy. This is a suicide pact."...

(See KO's rant here.)

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 09:43 PM

I'm beginning to think the folks who are worried that the Democratic Party is starting to come apart are making a lot of good sense. If something isn't done to end this primary, one side or the other is either not going to vote, or they'll be so pissed off they'll vote for the other side.
                I think they're right when they say, "It's time to end this thing."

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 02:12 PM

Amos, your 1103a posting is one of the best I've ever read by you. What do ya think might happen if all those folks started singing "Always keep on the sunnyside?" and really practised being positive and hopeful, believing that a new day really IS a new day and CAN be different from the last day?

This guy is doing some interesting research on our brains and how what we do can effect them, so much: Dr. Amen.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 01:52 PM

According to Joan Baez, Dylan had a pretty dark view of things, but he believed in individual freedom and had a strong instinct to support the underdog. She was the one with the great optimistic beliefs in the possibility of achieving a positive transformation of society through collective action. He was the one he felt you could not change the way things were in society, you could only live out your own individual destiny as best you were able.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 11:44 AM

Entiely too optimistic, that feller. He doesn't understand how bitter disappointment and loss can be. The only answer is seriousness, doubt, caution and gimlet-eyed cynicism.




A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 11:08 AM

From the Gospel of Bob:

Johnny's in the basement
Mixing up the medicine
I'm on the pavement
Thinking about the government
The man in the trench coat
Badge out, laid off
Says he's got a bad cough
Wants to get it paid off
Look out kid
It's somethin' you did
God knows when
But you're doin' it again
You better duck down the alley way
Lookin' for a new friend
The man in the coon-skin cap
In the big pen
Wants eleven dollar bills
You only got ten

Maggie comes fleet foot
Face full of black soot
Talkin' that the heat put
Plants in the bed but
The phone's tapped anyway
Maggie says that many say
They must bust in early May
Orders from the D. A.
Look out kid
Don't matter what you did
Walk on your tip toes
Don't try "No Doz"
Better stay away from those
That carry around a fire hose
Keep a clean nose
Watch the plain clothes
You don't need a weather man
To know which way the wind blows

Get sick, get well
Hang around a ink well
Ring bell, hard to tell
If anything is goin' to sell
Try hard, get barred
Get back, write braille
Get jailed, jump bail
Join the army, if you fail
Look out kid
You're gonna get hit
But users, cheaters
Six-time losers
Hang around the theaters
Girl by the whirlpool
Lookin' for a new fool
Don't follow leaders
Watch the parkin' meters

Ah get born, keep warm
Short pants, romance, learn to dance
Get dressed, get blessed
Try to be a success
Please her, please him, buy gifts
Don't steal, don't lift
Twenty years of schoolin'
And they put you on the day shift
Look out kid
They keep it all hid
Better jump down a manhole
Light yourself a candle
Don't wear sandals
Try to avoid the scandals
Don't wanna be a bum
You better chew gum
The pump don't work
'Cause the vandals took the handles

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 11:03 AM

Cautious. Skeptical. Careful. Don't do anything rash. Remember how disappointing things can be. Maintain the shields, the cynicism, the constant process of nullifying. Avoid, at all costs, risking pain. Think everything through several times; doubt yourself, as much as you doubt those others, remembering that at least you are being rigorous with yourself. Trust no-one, expect nothing, and do not ever substitute hope for a cold pessimism. That way, you will not be disappointed; you will be safe. Put your faith in the jade, not the gem. Careful. Be cautious. Be skeptical. If it looks good, remember it is probably untrue. Above all, doubt.

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The wonderful thing about life is that it turns out very much in accord with your expectations.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 08:42 AM

There is someone who made the very same promises Obama is making now in his great speeches--George W. Bush.

Promised compassion, unity, bi-partisanship.

Look where that lead.

Nope, a candidate has to have a lot more going than great rhetorical style for me to vote for them.

They have to have a record, and Obama's is pretty lightweight. Combine that with the money thing, and he will never win me over as a candidate.

Now, if he wins the White House and doesn't squander it the way Jimmy Carter did, I'll happily eat those words. But even if he wins the presidency, I'm not expecting much in the way of change from the current status quo. Mostly, a little less conservative judges. That's about it. Because when you read the fine print with Obama, you find he isn't really proposing much in the way of change to the US government. He is extremely ambitious for himself, but how that translates to the public welfare we should all be extremely cautious and skeptical about, especially in the wake of Bush Clinton Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 11:37 AM

He's been doing that for years, Dinaavan!! :D

A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 10:35 AM

Frankly, I don't think Bush would be very attractive without clothes. Of course, he's not very attractive with clothes, but...

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 11 Mar 08 - 01:17 AM

I would like to see Bush play the Emperor in 'The Emperor's New Clothes'.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 01:33 PM

I'd like to see the PRince and the Pauper reenacted by Cheny and Bush taking the identities of a janitor and a fast-food cook for a month. About as likely, and it would be similarly educational to them.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 01:25 PM

One thing I would love to see (but won't): Candidates vow to accept only the health care of the 'poorest of the poor' in America. When they get elected, they renounce the health care they do have and become the people with the least health care in the nation. Anyone wanna bet things change a bit quicker than they do now?

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 01:22 PM

Health Care a la Hillary.

Health Care a la Obama.

Health Care ooh la la McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 01:13 PM

Thanks, Amos.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:48 PM

Don, good point. I will vote for her if it comes down to that, just to get a Dem in the WH, but she will never be my first choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:46 PM

ANother sectiom of the times has a pie4ce on Hillasry's management style as reflected in the operation of her campaign. I was struck by the following wee excerpt:
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"Mrs. Clinton showed a tendency toward an insular management style, relying on a coterie of aides who have worked for her for years, her aides and associates said. Her choice of lieutenants, and her insistence on staying with them even when friends urged her to shake things up, was blamed by some associates for the campaign's woes. Again and again, the senator was portrayed as a manager who valued loyalty and familiarity over experience and expertise.

Mrs. Clinton stood by Mr. Penn and Patti Solis Doyle, who was until last month her campaign manager, even as her campaign was at risk of letting Mr. Obama sew up the nomination. When some of her closest supporters pressed her to replace them, arguing that the two were clearly struggling with their jobs and had become divisive figures in the campaign, she responded by saying she would "think about it."

When Mrs. Clinton finally pushed out Ms. Solis Doyle, she chose Ms. Williams, like Ms. Solis Doyle, an old friend who had never before managed a presidential campaign. "

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These personnel principles strike me as awfully similar to those embraced for so long by whoever that chimp guy was who hire Don Rumsfeld as DefSec and larded the Supreme Court with loyalists. And they stand in marked contrast to Obama's practice of finding thinkers who have long practice and insight into their areas of specialty.

Just a thought.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:34 PM

Peace:

There's a current article on this issue in the New York Times...hold on...here it is. An interesting read.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:32 PM

If there is one issue that needs to be addressed in the USA (imo), it's that of health care. Where are H and O on that? And while I''m askin', M?

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:29 PM

Aw geeze, Pat, his motivational speeches and his programs are not conflated, fer cry-i! The fact that he CAN speak English in an enthusiastic and enthusing way gives him electable attributes Hillary can't touch, right there; in addition to that, he has a track record of making progress and getting people off their partisan stuck points. His policies are sensible, but above all, he has a policy of open communication and intelligence, rather than foolishness disguised as political meandering. Really, i think there is no comparison between them. I do not think she has the character he does, or the clarity of vision. While they both, in the nature of things, make compromises, hers are manipulative and his are sublimative and tend to be transcendent, in terms of unifying differing views.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 11:49 AM

LH......And Barack is so different?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 11:48 AM

At least Jimmy Carter tried!

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 11:46 AM

That is a fascinating quote to read. Jimmy Carter went to Washington, figuring he could change things.

He found out differently.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: catspaw49
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 11:42 AM

I keep trying to like Obama but I dunno' that Hillary doesn't have a point on his speeches. I mean he sounds good and all but does he really have it in him to make it work?   Its hard not to like stuff like this:

We Americans are a great and diverse people. We take full advantage of our right to develop wide-ranging interests and responsibilities. Yet we Americans have shared one thing in common: a belief in the greatness of our Country. We have dared to dream great dreams for our Nation. We have taken quite literally the promises of decency, equality, and freedom - of an honest and responsible government.

What has now become of these great dreams? That all Americans stand equal before the law? That we enjoy a right to pursue health, happiness and prosperity in privacy and safety? That government be controlled by its citizens and not the other way around ? That this Country set a standard within the community of nations of courage, compassion, integrity, and dedication to basic human rights and freedoms? Our commitment to these dreams has been sapped by debilitating compromise, acceptance of mediocrity, subservience to special interests, and an absence of executive vision and direction.

I tell you that their great dreams still live within the collective heart of this Nation. We have discovered that our trust has been betrayed. Our people are understandably concerned about this lack of competence and integrity. The root of the problem is not so much that our people have lost confidence in government, but that government has demonstrated time and again its lack of confidence in the people. Our political leaders have simply underestimated the innate quality of our people.


That sounds damn good and on target as well but can the man behind the speech get down and dirty and pull it off? In this case, he couldn't as the above words were not those of Barack Obama but Jimmy Carter. I loved the guy but sadly his lack of experience came to the fore. I still like Jimmy; he's the best damn former prez we ever had. Maybe Obama just sounds too good. I have a hard time trusting him.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 11:40 AM

Yeah.

Obama's platform is "Vote for me. I'm a newcomer, a fresh new face, and I bring hope and optimism to a jaded system."

Hillary's platform is "Vote for me. I'm experienced and tough. I know exactly how the system works. A vote for me is a vote for someone who will get the job done."

Some platforms, eh? ;-)

Compare them to Dennis Kucinich, and then wonder where the real platforms have gone.

Subject: RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?
From: Peace
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 11:12 AM

One of the things that kinda shows this stuff for what it really is (the election 'process'): The possibility that they will 'join up' and become Pres/VP.

Does anyone know if Hillary or Obama have platforms (no, I don't mean heels)?