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Traditional music library website

Willa 06 Mar 08 - 06:01 AM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 06 Mar 08 - 07:48 AM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 06 Mar 08 - 09:00 PM
Maryrrf 06 Mar 08 - 11:18 PM
katlaughing 07 Mar 08 - 12:35 AM
GUEST,Cats 07 Mar 08 - 04:04 AM
Mick Pearce (MCP) 07 Mar 08 - 06:59 AM
GUEST,Chris P 07 Mar 08 - 08:48 AM
TheSnail 07 Mar 08 - 09:20 AM
nickp 07 Mar 08 - 10:24 AM
Irish sergeant 07 Mar 08 - 04:26 PM
voyager 15 Jul 09 - 02:01 PM
SteveMansfield 16 Jul 09 - 03:28 AM
Joe Offer 16 Jul 09 - 04:26 AM
Chris Partington 16 Jul 09 - 06:24 PM
Joe Offer 19 Jul 09 - 12:59 AM
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Subject: Traditional music library website
From: Willa
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 06:01 AM

Just added this to my favourites and thought some of yyou might like to do the same.

http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/index.html


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 07:48 AM

Thanks Willa. Always good to be updated on what their site is up to. Still has "Page Not Found" errors in some places, but it IS one of the best sites. The Child Ballads portion alone is a WOW!


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 09:00 PM

Found out why I get page not found errors. Some of the pages have spaces embedded in them and with those, a text browser needs to replace those with %20 for each of those spaces or it won't work.


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: Maryrrf
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 11:18 PM

Thank you for telling us about this wonderful resource!


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 12:35 AM

Great! Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: GUEST,Cats
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 04:04 AM

What an brilliant site. Thanks for signposting it.


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 06:59 AM

I've had the site bookmarked for a long time, but since the last time I looked at it (a year or two ago I think) it's been extended a lot.

In particular, it looks like they've added several of the reference books available from google and archive as web pages, which is handy if you haven't the bandwidth for downloading them (I think I've got about 2Gb of downloaded books - mostly 19thC but some 20thC).

Mick


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: GUEST,Chris P
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:48 AM

Hi, I noticed this thread. I have a bit of a major gripe with this person's output. I and others put a lot of energy making English Fiddlers tunebooks available free on the Village Music Project website. And this person has taken them (1000s of tunes)straight off us with never a word of please or thank you and offered them FOR SALE on his website. We can be contacted via our website should he wish to make amends. But he won't. Have nothing to do with him.
Chris Partington.


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: TheSnail
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 09:20 AM

I'm with Chris P.

The Lewes Favourites tunes are available in book form from here and in free downloadable form from here.

All profits from the sale of the book go to The Lewes Arms Folk Club. This chap is selling them as part of a CD from which we get nothing.


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: nickp
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:24 AM

I understand that he has done similar with one of the old time songbooks, reproducing it without the original compiler's consent.

Nick


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 04:26 PM

Thanks! it looks like a great site! I just added it as well. Neil


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: voyager
Date: 15 Jul 09 - 02:01 PM

For the longest time I've been chasing down a verse in the tune -
A-Roving_on_a_Winters_Night

She is just like a bud of rose
That blooms in the month of June
Or like some musical instrument
That's just been lately tuned

To my surprise, a found the TML (Traditional Music Library) archive and this is quite a treasure trove of song (like DT, or Mudcat). If you have yet to browse around the categories include -

AMERICAN FOLK & TRADITIONAL MUSIC COLLECTIONS
TRADITIONAL CHRISTIAN MUSIC, Hymns, Carols, Sacred & Inspirational
CELTIC - IRISH & SCOTTISH MUSIC COLLECTIONS
TRADITIONAL CHILDRENS SONGS & NURSERY RHYMES
MIXED FOLK & TRADITIONAL MUSIC COLLECTIONS
SEA SHANTIES & SONGS
FIND SONGS, MUSIC & COMPOSERS
TABLATURE FOR GUITAR, BANJO, MANDOLIN, DULCIMER & DOBRO
MUSIC EDUCATION

Quite a find, really.

voyager
Silver Spring, MD.


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 03:28 AM

I particularly like the way the site is doing a land-grab on the work of other people like the VMP and the Lewes sessions, and then is covered in 'CopyScape: do not copy this page' notices ...

If you are casually searching the web for a particular tune or song, issues of the provenance of the transcription(*) aren't necessarily a priority compared to issues of availability and accuracy. Google doesn't distinguish between the original transcriber and the secondary sites.

But people (myself included, although none of my stuff seems to have been assimilated into this particular Borg Cube) put a lot of time and effort into creating online versions of this material for free reference use.

Content creators are then entitled to feel more than a little bit disgruntled if someone hoovers up that free content, tries to make money off of it, and doesn't even bother to properly acknowledge the original sources.


(*) I am of course here purely talking about transcriptions of traditional music. IP, ownership and copyright in original works is an entirely different fish of kettles).


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 04:26 AM

I guess I can't see anything seriously wrong with the way the guy runs his Website. I can't imagine he makes much money selling CDs of fiddle tunes, but at least he makes it available and gets compensated for the hassle of sending somebody a personal copy. As I see it, folk music is community property - property the community has an obligation to preserve and share with anybody who wants it. If I compile folk music information and post it, I don't really care how somebody uses it. It's nice if they give me credit, but I don't mind if they fail to.

Most of the information I compile and disseminate comes from other sources. I try to give credit when I can. I suppose you could say that most of the music information posted at Mudcat is plagiarism - but it serves to preserve and to share the music. This is not saleable material we're dealing with here - nobody loses or gains any material benefit from the information posted on folk music Websites.

So, I take a word of advice from my patron saint, Alfred E. Neuman:
    What? Me Worry?


-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: Chris Partington
Date: 16 Jul 09 - 06:24 PM

You try to give credit where it is due, Joe. And that's OK. But I get a little peeved when someone's contribution to a transcription is merely to strip out the name of the transcriber, and then put it on their website as their own work. That happens often enough but at least the stuff is being made freely available.
But offering someone else's work for sale when it is meant to be available free? I consider that to be immoral.


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Subject: RE: Traditional music library website
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jul 09 - 12:59 AM

I've spent the last couple of days working with Linux software, admiring all the wonderful stuff that is available free of charge, with no attempt to claim credit for the many pieces of cooperative effort that go into this wonderful stuff.
It made me think that's one thing that computers and humans can do very well together - cooperative research for the sheer love of it. Look at Wikipedia, look at Mudcat - they have their flaws, but they are the extraordinary outcome of community effort.
But yeah, it does help to give credit when it's due. We have a number of books and other resources posted here at Mudcat, and we do try hard to give credit to the people who do the work.

-Joe-


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