BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???

Subject: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 11:46 AM

Well???

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 11:54 AM

of course not ? why do you ask ?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Leadbelly
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 11:57 AM

Don't thinks so, George W. Bush might be a monster.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:06 PM

She could be a Munster perhaps?
But which one?

G

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Amos
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:14 PM

I think she has a side of her that has monstrous hues to it, but it is not her.

Probably her dad. ;>)


A

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:50 PM

Maybe yes, maybe no. I don't know her well enough to answer. Ask Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,jts
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:54 PM

Sure she is. ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qlenc7w3cM

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Beer
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:57 PM

What's a Monster?
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: pdq
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 12:59 PM

Hillzilla?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Janie
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 01:13 PM

Nope.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: mg
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 01:47 PM

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,Terp
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 01:51 PM

Someone mentioned this quote from Bette Davis on another thread:

When a man gives his opinion he's a man. When a woman gives her opinion she's a bitch.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 01:55 PM

I don't think that calling a political rival "a monster" would be considered particularly offensive in England.

At any rate I don't think it has ever been ruled as "unparliamentary language".

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 02:19 PM

Go to www.braunsteinspeaks.com and see his op ed piece on this entitled "The Hillary Monster". It is the second post down from the top.
                                                    SOL

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,VOICE OF TRUTH
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:18 PM

The woman who said this was an advisor to Obama, and while I am glad to see she was forced to resign, it indicates to me that Obama may have some nasty words that he lets his underlings disseminate for him.

As I have mentioned, I know that Obama will lose the general election if he wins the primary. Perhaps more Dem voters are catching on now that they have seen the nether side of Obama. I'm not saying HE is the male equalivant of 'bitch' - just that his flimflamming on the Canadian question, his recent sullenness in being questioned by the press, and this latest gaffe indicates that his words can be as manipulative, insincere and underhanded as any of the politicians he espouses to be better than. It is notable that Clinton has won several key states this past week, and may be able to reclaim the Florida vote.The only hope for a more compassionate Presidency lies with Hillary, and while her opponents and misogynistic rivals throw mud, Obama may be slipping sliding on the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Amos
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:22 PM

VOT:

I think, with all due respect, that you are deluded about the relative compassion levels of Hillary and Barack. As for claiming that the aide's words reflect on Obama, that's just hyper-associative leaping; it has no merit, IMHO. And "knowing" who will win the general election is a wonderful talent, and I am sure you wlll be able to clean up on it, unless, of course, your "knowing" is just misguided emotion, which is possible also.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:45 PM

Seriously though - is "monster" really seen as a terrible insult in American politics?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Peace
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 03:57 PM

MONSTER?

Hell, thought that was mobster.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:04 PM

Monster

Frankenstein, abnormality, barbarian, beast, behemoth, bogeyman, brute, centaur, colossus, demon, devil, dragon, fiend, freak, giant, hellcat, hellhound, hellion, horror, leviathan, little devil, lusus naturae, mammoth, miscreation, monstrosity, mutant, ogre, phoenix, savage, titan, villain, whale

savage
beast, bigot, boor, brute, cannibal, clod, hooligan, hun, ignoramus, lout, monster, philistine, rascal, ruffian, troglodyte, vandal, yahoo

barbarian
animal, beast, cannibal, creature, critter*, degenerate, devil, fiend, lout, monster, ogre, ruffian, sadist, savage, scamp, swine


   evil
Satan, archfiend, beast, brute, devil, evil spirit, fiend, goblin, hellion, imp, incubus, little devil*, malignant spirit, monster, rascal, rogue, vampire, villain, windigo

Nah, McGrath. I can't believe anyone would be offended. lol

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Peace
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:06 PM

Ebbie's post reads lots like most of the political threads, and they don't bother anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:07 PM

gasp! lol

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:45 PM

First of all, she was an unpaid advisor. She resigned. No loss to Obama. He can pick her up again if he wins the election.

I wouldn't consider it an insult. Hillary's political machinery is monstrous. In context, I'd say she was describing what they were up against.

Its media-hype.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 04:49 PM

Every parent I know refers to their children as "monsters" , generally as a kind of term of endearment.

"Big beast" is a very flattering term in political circles in England. Ay politician described as such in the media knows they've made it. "Monster" would tend to be seen in similar terms,; flattering, even if hostile.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: kendall
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:20 PM

Context is everything. As used by that lady it is an insult because it was meant to be.

I don't know about anyone else, but when someone posts a long web address with no blue link, I just don't bother to do all that typing just to see what it says.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:37 PM

Cut and paste?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 05:40 PM

Been there, read it. Reminded of Alfred E Neumann. "Like whaddzzz he mean?"

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 06:13 PM

This 'monster' quote is from Samantha Powers, Pulitzer Prize winner, Harvard professor, Obama advisor. She was shooting her mouth off in Scotland, and put her foot in it.

Both Obama and Clinton are liars, so what else is new? They are blindly ambitious, and will say whatever they think we want to hear, in order to get elected. Ditto their campaign staff surrogates.

They are both on the take from the wealthy elite & their corporations, and trying to steal votes from the poor under the pretence that they're protecting them from each other.

They lie about the war, they lie about health care & are in the industry pockets of insurance & pharmaceutical companies. Which is why neither of them will come out in support of single payer Medicare for all, or with a timeline to get us out of Iraq.

We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg as far as them both being crooked crooks, taking money from crookeder crooks.

Welcome to the farce known as the US presidential election.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM

Here is a snip of what Maureen Dowd had to say about it all in today's NYT:

"Obama's multiculturalism is a selling point with many Democrats. But his impassioned egghead advisers have made his campaign seem not only out of his control, but effete and vaguely foreign — the same unflattering light that doomed Michael Dukakis and John Kerry.

First, his University of Chicago economics adviser, Austan Goolsbee, took it upon himself to reassure Canadian officials that Obama was hard on Nafta only to court the economic populist vote. In a meeting in Chicago, a memo from the Canadian consulate noted, "Goolsbee said he has always been impressed with Canada, sharing his experiences which have included trips to Montreal and Toronto as part of the Yale debate team and visits to Vancouver with his wife."

While we've seen book tours that set up a presidential run, we've never seen one that tore one down. That is, until Samantha Power — the Dublin-born Harvard expert on human rights who drily refers to herself as "genocide chick" — hit London to promote her new book.

Power, a foreign policy adviser to Obama, told The Scotsman that Hillary was "a monster" and the BBC that Obama's Iraq withdrawal plan was merely a "best-case scenario." (She's now resigned.)

Ma Clinton pounced, telling reporters in Mississippi, "He keeps telling people one thing, while his campaign tells people abroad something else."

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: freightdawg
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM

The advisor in question was speaking OFF THE RECORD in an interview. The reporter, sensing a chance to make political hay, quoted her anyway.

Wolfson, Hillary's chief spokesman, has been comparing Obama to Kenneth Starr (the worst Democratic epithet you can imagine) for days now and no one complains. When asked about it Hillary just said "I won't respond to that question."

Calling Clinton a monster is the kindest thing a lot of people could say about her. She's Richard Nixon in a bra and panties. She is twice as vindictive as her husband with half of the people skills to hide it.

Just wait till she really turns negative to steal the nomination away from Obama.

Freightdawg

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 07:08 PM

NO, she was NOT speaking off the record. After she blurted to the reporter who was interviewing her the monster quote--she said (realizing her gaffe immediately) 'that's off the record'.

In other words, she tried to yank it off the record the minute she said it.

But Homey don't play dat tune.

The much more serious gaffe on Powers' part wasn't calling Clinton a monster (that was just plain stupid, and her Harvard Highness knows it, as she is now all mea culpa, mea culpa mama). No, the far bigger gaffe, and the one she had to resign over, was her remark about Obama's Iraq policy.

It doesn't matter what other people call Clinton, but it very much matters what Obama's staff speaking to the press call her.

Especially when Obama claims to have seen the light, and be shining it down upon this dirty game called politics.

The high road ain't a two way or four way. It's a one way. And Obama's surrogates are no different than Clinton's.

They are all a bunch of sleeze bags, lying and talking out of both sides of their forked tongues.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 08:12 PM

No, she's not a "monster", just one of the slimier politicians to grace the political scene in a while. With able assistance by her delightful spouse.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 09:24 PM

Just a simple question to those who say things like "I would never vote for Hillary in a million years!!"

If, in November, it boils down to a choice between Hillary and McCain--who ya gonna vote for?

Another Republican administration? Well, whoopee!!

Don Firth

P. S. Sure. I don't like it either. But I think we need to think about it. Seriously! 'Cause that may very well be the choice.

P. S. Well, of course there's always, always, always Nader. . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 09:48 PM

Actually Don, there won't always be Nader. His voice will be silent soon enough. I'm quite certain this is the last campaign he has in him.

So will you be gleeful when his voice is finally gone? Who will speak so eloquently for our democracy and our interests then? Obama? Clinton? McCain?

I can't understand why, unless you trust Obama and Clinton to speak truth to power.

Their sole ambition--both of them--is to seek and acquire the power and status of being the figurehead for the ruling elite.

dianavan, I think you are missing a very important piece here. Obama has the biggest campaign organization and war chest in history. So I find it odd that you, like so many keep casting him as David to Clinton as Goliath.

It's been awhile now since their roles in the contest reversed.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 09:53 PM

We can write in Obama. We can write in Ron Paul or Bloomberg or whoever. I absolutely will not vote for her as president, and probably not if Obama (God help him) is forced to have her as VP, which he would never do voluntarily I am sure. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 10:38 PM

If Obama wins the nomination his running mate will be John Edwards.

If Hillary wins, her running mate will be Bill Richardson, a long time Clinton confidant and cronie.

McCain will suprise everyone. His running mate will be Joe Lieberman.

                                                    SOL

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 10:42 PM

Pretty astute, friend Sol, and quite possible.

Best to the formidable Fay.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 10:58 PM

In your effort to pull the teeth of the question I asked, GiGi, you are avoiding the question entirely.

Suppose Nader wasn't in it at all. Who, then, would you vote for? Still anyone but Hillary?

Don Firth

P. S. I'm not campaigning for Hillary. I'm just asking.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: pdq
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 11:00 PM

Will McCain really choose Joe Lieberman???

                   read about it here

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 11:50 PM

I've answered that many times, Don. Ad nauseum.

If Nader isnt on my ballot, I won't vote for president. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 11:53 PM

And Don, you have consistently failed to explain how having Ralph Nader involved in the horse races of the past 20 years has harmed our democracy?

And please, spare us the tired old 2000 whine.

Seriously. What has Ralph Nader done to harm our democracy?

OTOH, what have Al Gore, John Kerry, the Clintons, and Obama done to it?

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Mar 08 - 11:54 PM

I would think a McCain Lieberman ticket would be dead on arrival.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:06 AM

Did I say that he'd done anything to harm our democracy? No, never did.

In your desparation, GiGi, you're getting a bit irrational. And making silly assumptions about what other people believe. Is it not permitted to ask questions, then? Tsk, tsk!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:14 AM

I dunno about monstrosity, but I'm bemused by Ms. Clinton's latest attempt to show that folks who vote in smaller states' primaries should have less of a vote than those who vote in larger states. I thought that the varying apportionment of delegates took care of that, but apparently she doesn't think so.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:38 AM

Actually, it's the people who vote in caucuses who have more of a vote. The elites who can get there vote, while the folks who are supporting the elites are at work.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Slag
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 02:42 AM

Why? Is she growling???


ALL politicians are monsters. It takes a monster to tough your way through such an ordeal. It takes a bizarre and grandiose ego to even consider being the head of a nation, let alone THIS nation. And to WANT this job? Why? Who really needs the grief? What is it they are REALLY getting out of it? Not the money. Not rest and relaxation! Is it a genuine concern for the people they are supposed to be representing? Is it to defend this country against ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic? Perhaps it is to preserve the US Constitution? You know, have it's hull scraped and painted once a year. Maybe it's so they can pardon the crooks who helped them reach that high office. Maybe it's that they really believe in another form of government and want to subvert this nation. Revenge? Whatever the motivation I predict that it will be well hidden and virtually undecernable by the populace. After all, they have their own agendas. More than once I have heard interviewees say things like "I want to vote for a woman" or " I think a black person should be in the White House". That is some qualification! Deep issues indeed. Is Hillary a "monster"? Well, yes! Of course! What has that got to do with anything???

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Jim Lad
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 02:52 AM

Since the post Texas retreat, I've heard her strategists call her "Slippery", "Secretive" "Happy playing in the gutter" and various other things.
Looks to me like they brought out a whole new lexicon.
People however, do not seem to make the connection between "Strategist" & "Strategy".
Mind you, her strategists could be saying the same stuff and I just haven't noticed but I don't think so.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 09:00 AM

Well Don, your antipathy towards Nader is well known here. So I am wondering what exactly Nader has done to deserve such scorn and derision from you.

But of course, you just come back with the same old shit: he was the 2000 spoiler, he shouldn't run as a candidate because he hurts the Democratic party candidate, blah blah blah.

What you have never been able to answer is why a third party or independent candidate should care what they do to the chances of the corporate duopoly candidatees. I mean, besides that you don't like the outcome when your boy doesn't win.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 01:41 PM

I have a sneaking suspicion that many of the people who voted for Nader in 2000 would actually have preferred Gore as president to Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 01:51 PM

GiGi, you're so stuck in your own mind-set and so far off the mark about what I think that it verges on the pathetic.

You're primary method of arguing against someone who disagrees with something you say is to accuse them of irrational hatred. You're much more suited to shouting matches than you are to productive discussion, so I find it pointless to try to argue with you.

As to your last paragraph, I have answered that question for you (and others) repeatedly. It's just that, no matter how accurate my answer obviously is, you just don't like it.

When it comes to saying the same old thing over and over and over and over—you are the champ!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Is Hillary a 'Monster'???
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 05:24 PM

I don't like the situation any more than you do, GiGi. I don't like the fact that Dennis Kucinich, my candidate of choice, was cut out of the debates and generally shoved into the corner and ignored. He eventually felt it necessary to withdraw and go home to campaign for re-election as senator if he was to have any voice in the government at all. I respect him for having the sense to keep on fighting, even if he wasn't able to do it the way he really wanted to.

I am plenty familiar with Nader the consumer advocate, Nader the politician, and Nader the man. He has some good things going for him. But he's no Dennis Kucinich.

"If Nader isnt on my ballot, I won't vote for president. Period."

That's really mature, there, GiGi. Rather than stain your spotless integrity, you would rather just crawl under your bed and give up entirely. I guess it's going to take people such as myself and a number of others here, with a grasp of the real world and a willingness to try to make the best of a less than ideal situation, to save your sorry rump for you.

Don Firth