BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 09:20 PM

Pretty sure I got this one from Mudcat--don't know who to acknowledge though.   But it sure fits Spitzer--and Bill Clinton, and who knows who else.

Mother washing her 4 year-old son in the bathtub. Son playing with his balls.

4 year old: Mommy, are these my brains?

Mother:   Not yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 06:55 PM

That was Mark Spitz. Not Spitzer. Or Schpritzer

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 03:51 PM

Spitzer is no disappointment.

I believe Mark won more olympic gold medals than any individual in the span of 1 week.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 03:49 PM

Is is Spitzer or Schpritzer?

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Amos
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 03:09 PM

Actually, knowing about wick-dipping per se does not undermine my trust in an official. Knowing he is willing to break bonds of trust to which he agreed, covertly, does make me look more skeptically at his avowed intentions politically.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 02:24 PM

He burned up so quick in all of that revelation and publicity. Three days and he was gone. A week later and a new governor is being sworn in. He seems not to have taken anyone else down in the conflagration. Amazing.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 02:41 AM

Amos -

Public knowledge that those phone numbers were given to anyone appeared ca. May of 2007. The site apparently had not been set up at that time, as AP claimed to be the only ones "in possession" of the list then. As things proceed in legal matters, they're quite "new and fresh."

Some of the "most popular" recent scandals were collected and summarized in a Washington Post article that appeared March 14, but it's been "removed" to members (signin required) storage. The title, for anyone who might want to look it up was:

Sex scandals scorch cyberspace:
In this Internet age, warp speed to infamy for politicians in scandal
By Paul Farhi
The Washington Post
updated 9:10 a.m. CT, Fri., March. 14, 2008

The list isn't particularly exhaustive, but might be worth digging out for anyone needing to refresh the memory.

Fortunately for those unable to work with text, or whose lips are just tired from reading all the source material on this subject prior to posting, a shorter but similar summary - all in pictures with very brief captions - is at:

Slide Show on Recent "transgressors"

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Mar 08 - 02:30 AM

"This would be in keeping with the continuing destruction of America (destroy what little remaining trust we have in our elected officials)."

Two thoughts come to mind:

1: The implication is that we would be better off not knowing.

2: Just maybe we should grow up enough to make a distinction between private life and public life, between aspirations and shortcomings.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Amos
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 11:09 PM

How scintilatin', Olive. Those phone calls were in 1999, I think...



A

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 16 Mar 08 - 09:47 PM

Has this been posted here? The phone list of the "DC Madam." Maybe Spitzer's number is on there. Maybe lots of others, too. Look up the numbers for yourself:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/DCmadam_db/

Deborah Palfrey, the "DC Madam." Her court case is about to begin. Could bring down lots of politicians. This would be in keeping with the continuing destruction of America (destroy what little remaining trust we have in our elected officials). The dollar's under attack from within, the constitution is under attack from within, the family, religion, and so on...so now they drop a political nuke on a large percentage of our elected officials, and then maybe a real nuke and we're ready for a "new" form of govt. That's the only reason I can see for this trial. People like this usually "suicide" themselves with six shots to the head. Apparently Deborah Palfrey is INTENDED to have her day in court.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Amos
Date: 15 Mar 08 - 08:14 AM

According to "Hollywood Up Close.com":

Hustler boss LARRY FLYNT has offered the prostitute who brought down New York Governor Eliot Spitzer a $1 million (GBP500,000) deal to pose naked for his magazine.

Spitzer has announced his resignation and will officially step down as New York's Governor on Monday (17Mar08) after news of his dealings with $1,000 (GBP500)-an-hour call girl Ashley Alexandra Dupre went public via the New York Times newspaper.

And Flynt is convinced the high-class hooker, who works for prostitution and escort agency the Emperors Club VIP, would be a perfect fit for his men's magazine.

Flynt says, "We think this is an item that is going to stay in the news for some time.

"We think it's not bad for a 22-year-old to make $1 million for a few hours work. It beats what she was making at the escort service."

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Amos
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 08:41 PM

And while we're on the subject, Trent Lott's brother in law is also heading for the pen this month.

My apologies for the thread drift, S. I thought there were certain parallels to be drawn between the several cases.


I too am disappointed in Spritzer. Especially because I KNOW how much Republican politicians jest HATE thinking about sex.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 06:41 PM

""professional athletes" - would this be a euphemism of some kind?

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Amos
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 06:38 PM

Another One: Top Federal Judge Linked to Prostitution Ring
Officials: Edward Nottingham Was 'Implicated as a Customer' in an Investigation of the Denver Sugar/Denver Players

Chief Federal Judge Edward Nottingham has been linked to an investigation of the prostitution ring Denver Players, according to federal officials. (Denver Post)More Photos
By VIC WALTER
March 14, 2008

One of the country's top federal judges has been linked to an investigation of a Denver-based prostitution ring, according to federal officials.

Edward Nottingham, the chief federal judge in Denver, Colo., was "implicated as a customer" in an ongoing IRS and Denver police investigation of an alleged prostitution operation called Denver Sugar/Denver Players, according to officials.

The service advertised on the Internet as having "gorgeous adult Colorado companions."

According to a Denver television station, KUSA, Judge Nottingham's nickname among the prostitutes was "Naughty."

Several "professional athletes," lawyers and businessmen are also involved, officials said.

Unlike the prostitution investigation in New York that led to this week's resignation of New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer, the Denver case has received little attention outside Colorado.


The chief judge of the 10th Federal Circuit Court, Robert Henry, is "taking under advisement a complaint about a judge's conduct," according to the Rocky Mountain News. The person who filed the complaint confirmed to the paper that the judge is Nottingham.

Judge Nottingham has remained on the bench since being publicly linked to the investigation last week. His office referred calls to his lawyer, Stephen Peters, who said Judge Nottingham "has no public comment at this time."

Based on the Web site of Denver Sugar/Denver Players, prostitution prices seem to be substantially lower than those in New York.

Pollitical Sex Scandals Redux

According to published reports, Judge Nottingham, appointed to the federal bench in 1989 by President George H.W. Bush, paid $300 to $400 for "all-inclusive" sex with prostitutes working for the Denver Sugar/Denver Players service.

...
Judge Nottingham's conduct has been in question twice before. Last year, the Denver Post reported that FBI agents questioned his ex-wife "after she revealed he spent thousands of dollars at the Diamond Cabaret strip club and subscribed to an Internet dating site that contains pornography."" (ABC News

A

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 05:07 PM

Franklin D. Roosevelt as well, and he was from New York.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 14 Mar 08 - 04:54 PM

Given Nelson Rockefeller and Eliot Spitzer it may well be that the state song should be changed to "Back In The Saddle Again".


Bill Hahn

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: number 6
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 11:12 PM

"As far as John Wayne goes, I liked some of his movies."

The Searchers is an excellent movie.

sorry .... just had to comment on a John wayne movie.

now I'm outta here.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Beer
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:28 PM

Yep, that's for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: number 6
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:23 PM

I think she can hold her own, much the same as Hillary Beer ... as confident Spitzer is of himself (even during his resignation announcement), I'm sure Silda will slap him down a few notches.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Beer
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:18 PM

In looking at those shots 6, I can't help thinking that the expression on Silda face reminds me of Hillary.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Peace
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:07 PM

You are sure of nothing. Including steamies.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: number 6
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:05 PM

Oh sh%t
I think he's caused enough trouble around here

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:38 PM

I'm sure she pays you well to be her publicist, Peace. As far as John Wayne goes, I liked some of his movies.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:38 PM

Looked into Ebay and thought I saw an add about Kirsten. Oh, goody, more dirt to enjoy, but it was for the TV series "Sex and the City" and the actress Kristin Davis.

Well, I won't tell her to lay her pistol down. Gee, haven't thought of that song for years.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Peace
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:16 PM

BTW, if that gal can be arsed, she'll take you apart before she has her morning coffee. SRS deals very well with the opinions of others. IMO, she has difficulty with idiots at times, not that that's a factor in this instance.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Peace
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:14 PM

Well, Stranger (to quote John Wayne), it's a good thang you showed up to set us all right.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:08 PM

And you never could really deal with other people's opinions, SRS.

Mudcatters have always referred to those people as trolls. Those outside of the exclusive self-righteous club have always had to deal with that mentality here.

Almost as hypocritical as Spitzer, himself. Without the same obnoxious facial expressions.

I call it tolerance by convenience.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 11:02 AM

"GUEST,Stranger" is a classic troll in the rhetorical jumble here at Mudcat: jumping to a lot of conclusions and pointing a finger to accuse others of things that distract from his/her own bigotry.

[yawn]

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:31 AM

"Spitzer is known as one of the most fanatic left wingers there is." Known by whom?

Only to a Libertarian, but that is probably imputing "Libertarians."

Spitzer is certainly a hypocrite by almost anyone's criteria.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 08:22 AM

Spitzer is known as one of the most fanatic left wingers there is.

Talk about simple minds... or possibly demented ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 08:16 AM

What on earth is "left-wing" about wanting all people driving on the road to have licences and be insured against accidents? That doesn't sound "left-wing" or "right-wing", just a pragmatic middle-of-the-road proposal.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 07:12 AM

Never as simple as it seems to simple minds, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Big Mick
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 07:11 AM

Actually, you are a long time troll here. But you are correct that you broke no rules, and Peace apologized for his personal attack so we will let the posts stand.

But please don't act as though you weren't trolling. Of course you were. Now back to the subject, please.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 07:09 AM

As an academic question, pertinent to whether it's "who he is" rather than "what he did," does anyone care about:

"Court documents that exposed Spitzer also identified nine other men who hired prostitutes from the online sex club. The Duke of Westminister, the richest man in England, also was identified as a customer of the Emperors Club, NBC News reported."

(I wouldn't think so.)

John

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 11:42 PM

Couldn't help myself. I just posted the lyrics to Tammy Wynette, "Stand by Your Man."
(Snif)

Thread 8782: Stand by your man

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: number 6
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 11:09 PM

Yeah .... I guess Spitzer should have done the republican thing and cruised public washrooms in airports for free sex.

Ok


I'm outta here.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 10:31 PM

Peace, I am not a member, nor am I sure that I want to be. I am a "Stranger." Spitzer is known as one of the most fanatic left wingers there is. Remember, he is the one who wanted to give illegals drivers licenses. He is certainly not even close to being a moderate Democrat.

But I can understand why in the last few days liberals would want to distance themselves from him. He is an embarrassment to the Dems.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: number 6
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 10:30 PM

I just want to make things clear here that yes my politics do lean to the left, but in no way does my handle indicate any relationship with with the Emperors Club ... in fact I have never ever had any contact with them nor have I ever with Elliot Spitzer.

In fact I'm actually not a number, I am a free man.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 10:20 PM

SRS, yes, that's true. But I haven't really broken any rules. Just made a point or two, that's all. And civilly, I might add.
My crime to you is that I am not a liberal, it seems.

Spitzer does not represent your faction well. This is fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 10:16 PM

You come in slamming left-wing people as though they somehow like this idiot who got caught with his weewee where it shouldn't have been caught being, lay down some crap about lefties--"Spitzer shows the true colors of many left wing fanatics" when Spitzer is anything BUT left wing, then figure you're what, cute? Naw. For the personal attack on you I'll apologize. But maybe you too could pay a bit more attention to what you post. And, fer krissake, use your member name. No one is fooled by this Guest,stranger stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 10:13 PM

Guests can be deleted even when they have a consistent name.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 10:06 PM

I guess you just identify too much with the liberal mental disorder thing, Peace. Hit the ball smack in the middle I guess, because it got such a rise out of you. I sure didn't attack you personally Peace, but you sure did me. You should grow some skin, Peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 09:57 PM

I wasn't dishing anything out until you showed up, asshole!

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 09:56 PM

Gee, Peace. Can dish it out but can't take it, I guess.
I guess your hero Spitzer is the laughing stock of America and the world.
Maybe client 10 is Obama. I said "maybe." Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 09:43 PM

All prosecutors looking to get ahead will prosecute a 'prostitution ring.' The papers love stories that will titillate the public. Of course they never touch the real gangs with strings of cheap prossie slaves, that would be messy. Hence Heidi Fleisch or Temeka Lewis with their small band of good-looking part timers and similar groups that cater to the needs of the well-to-do are the ones favored as targets by rising prosecutors.

Look for Michael Garcia, the leading prosecutor for the southern district of New York, a Bush appointee, 45 years old, already with bios in Wackypedia and a number of websites, and frequent NY tabloid coverage, to lead the case if Spitzer is prosecuted. The Spitzer affair is the big one any ambitious prosecutor dreams of, and Garcia will milk it for all that it's worth!
In a couple of years look for Garcia to enter the political ring, first City of New York and then State. Don't be surprised if he ends up as Governor. Will he keep out of the mire? Or will his enemies cut him down too?

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 09:26 PM

GUEST,Stranger shows the true colors of many right wing fanatics: he's an asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Riginslinger
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 09:24 PM

At the end of the day, Ashley seems to come away from the thing with a lot more integrity than Spitzer does.

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 09:13 PM

Spitzer shows the true colors of many left wing fanatics............................mental instability.

I am glad he got his. He deserves it!

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Peace
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 09:04 PM

Can this thread now go above the line?

'"The affidavit states "Client 9" paid $4,300 for 2½ hours with a call girl he arranged to meet at Washington's Mayflower Hotel, with some of that a deposit on a future session. Court papers state he also paid for train tickets, cab fare, mini-bar and room service charges for Kristen -- a 5-foot-5, 105-pound brunette he arranged to meet the night of February 13.

Kristen is a 22-year-old would-be singer from New Jersey, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

The newspaper said Ashley Youmans -- now known as Ashley Alexandra Dupre -- was identified in court documents as Kristen.

Dupre has not been charged with a crime. She made a brief appearance Monday in U.S. Magistrate Court as a witness against four people charged with operating the Emperor's Club, the Times said.

In an entry on her MySpace page, Dupre says she left "a broken family" and "abuse" in 2004, eventually settling in Manhattan "to pursue my music career."

"I am all about my music, and my music is all about me," she writes on her MySpace page. "It flows from what I've been through, what I've seen and how I feel."'

Subject: RE: BS: Spitzer - The Great Disappointment
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Mar 08 - 08:10 PM

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I could care less that he was getting laid. But the hypocrisy of prosecuting prostitution rings, and running on the "I am a man of honor, let me restore your faith", and then this. Good riddance. Flawed, yeah, that's taking the high road. I have seen times when you weren't so charitable.

HG, bite me. I wasn't lecturing you, I just wasn't letting you hijack the thread. Nothing personal. And the same goes for you as to knowing me. Every time I disagree with you, you go off. Been that way for years. This thread isn't about me, you, or prostitution. It is about a man who's actions have been hypocritical, who violated the public's trust, and whose family is suffering for it. Kills me to think of those girls. But I suspect that they have such a strong role model in their Mother, that they will be OK. I think we should all watch her. Seems to me she is the one with something to teach us all about strength and class.

Mick